biggar

thanks Dave; i think you hit the nail on the head gar

Who do I contact in the BSA to file a complaint against the CM????

I do feel my health issues are a very personal matter but had I been confroted with this accusation I could have nipped it by letting them know what is going on with me, by the CM gossiping throughout the group instead of bringing this matter to my attention or the BSA attention he denied me this right, that I feel is wrong.Do you not agree that he acted poorly on this and that I should somehow be vindicated with our pack? Bottom line had he come to me or BSA I would not have a number of parents thinking this horrible lie about me and thinking I was around their children drunk.

Thank You for responding. Your right I did tend to get a little long winded in my 1st post (there is just so much going on with this pack) As for your suggestion on having leaders meet with my Dr.to explain my condition I strongly disagree with that, 1st My Dr. is a very busy specialist in his field, and who would pay for his time to meet with us? 2nd-Had the CM come to me with this I could have given him an explanation on what my limitations were/were not, Had he had any further concerns then we possibly could have taken it to the level of getting my Doc involved, My issue is that instead of bringing this to ME he is taking it to others in our pack and that is just wrong and I believe to be considered gossiping (which if you check Leaders Handbook on page 4-4 under honesty you will see that gossiping is not an acceptable practice with BSA. It would seem to me that the safety and protection of our children should have been foremost in the CM priorities not "gossiping" about it. If this had been a true statement then the CM would still be allowing a "drunk" to conduct Den meetings. So back to my original question "Who do I contact with this problem?" Thanks -Garry

Hi All, This is great, as a new leader I didnt know where I might find helpful info, I stumbled onto this and will be letting others know about it .Heres my problem, I was the Asst. Den Leader for a bear den with nine boys we got a new cubmaster and he kinda went power crazy and fired my den leader for a bogus reason which made me den leader (She disagreed with him over some issues and he took it personal) .All the boys had been together since Tiger Cubs I knew all the parents so I thought things would be ok .He then decided to split the den,this I thought was because of my speaking out about the firing of the den leader. He decided he would also be den leader and since his son was one of the boys in my den i was not suprised that he took him with him to his new den six of the other boys went to his den leaving me three boys, my son, the ex den leaders son an other boy whos parents spoke out also (she was our previous cubmaster and gave up her posistion due to health reasons, she was also fired)Since he gave all the boys a choice I assumed the boys all wanted to be with there friends so it was ok with me. I am determinded to keep these three boys in scouts and they did not want to go to his den then two more boys joined the pack and went to his den, I really couldnt figure out why he was leaving three boys in one den and 9 in another? We were informed in June by our ex Den leader that he had made comments saying that I was intoxicated at Den meetings (I can assure you nothing could be further from the truth!!!!!) We decided to ignore this comment because this person knew that this was not a true statement,and in fact was due to health issues, I suffer from a Degenative disease that sometimes affects my mobility and also my eyes, When I am having a "flare up" I do tend to stumble a bit and have very red swollen eyes, We had no idea that this was something that was being spread around the pack until recently, My wife was told by the wolf den leader that the cubmaster had made the comment to her and her asst. that the reason we were losing boys was because parents had complained he was showing up at meetings intoxicated which means he is now spreading this nasty viscious lie throughtout our pack,The cubmaster is not aware of my illness) if he believed this to be true shouldnt his 1st response have been to confront me with this SERIOUS allegation? Should the BSA have been notified? Neither of which he did instead he has chose to spread this LIE around the pack and to our pack charter rep. who is our sons Elementary Principle, I am not the type of person who pays attention to silly gossip and hear say but I can not let this go unnoticed anymore I feel that I have to protect my good name and defend myself against these lies. Had I been confronted with this I could have straightened the whole mess out by making them aware of my illness instead because of personal feelings the Cubmaster chose to take it through the gossip mill. I guess my question is How do I handle this? I can no longer ignore it, I am totally humiliated by this whole thing and worry about the possible backlash this could have on my 8 yr old son, Is there a place that I can file a formal complaint against the cubmaster? Please do not suggest I go to our charter rep or any of the other "leaders" in our pack this is obviously something they have all been informed of and up to this point have decided to just keep it under their hats and I now feel as if I am being "talked about" at meetings ("is he drunk now? "has he been drinking again") This has caused great mental stress for me and my wife and we would love nothing better than to just quit scouts and forget the way we have been treated but we have an 8 yr. old son who loves being a scout and does not want to quit, not to mention the other 2 boys left in our den (their parents were fired by this man) who would be left out in the cold. If anyone has any advice or suggestions on how I should handle this sitiuation it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks-Garry