Sentinel947

Yes. At age 11.

What need was there to create a thread to discuss a different thread? Sentinel947

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Our SM really tries to make as many events as he can, and that has caused some friction with his wife on a couple of occasions. He's grown to be a little better about delegating to his ASM's and taking events off. That's the key function of our job, to sub for the SM when he is absent.

Same here, are curious what the policy is on a group that mixes adults and youth. Our group is closed.

Depends what neck of the woods you come from. Judeo- Christian values are controversial in some places....

Most of my WB staff sons had aged out. You can always wait till then.

Eh. I think its better here. People wont have to speak cryptically or euphemistically.

Moved thread to a home where the pros and cons of the new BSA President can be discussed.

Politics has never been civil, but this election has been noticably more childish and stupid than normal. Feels like a dumb reality tv show.

If he is trolling, he's not doing it very well since he's only made three posts. I'm not sure what to make of the posts honestly.

Welcome. Similar thread to your question that is still actively being discussed here. http://scouter.com/index.php/topic/28190-behavior-problems-what-is-expected-how-to-deal-with/page-4?do=findComment&comment=438477

Its culture and leader dependent. Pushing out a successful volunteer bevause of tenure rules can be bad, but so can having a troop doing a slow circling down the drain under a leader whos time to step back was 5 years ago. Ive seen both.

http://blog.scoutingmagazine.org/2016/05/20/eagle-scout-at-17/

I believe it was MLK who said "We have guided missles and misguided men."

We were treated as full time, seasonal staff. I think Summer camp staff is exempt as part of non profit seasonal business. I was a director and my total compensation pay+ food+ lodging barely cracked minimium wage. This change has good intentions. Dunkin Donut managers shouldnt have to work 55-60 hours a week for 23k. But like any well meaning government policy, there are unintended consequences. This DOL overtime wage, as well as minimium wage, should be indexed to inflation so it will stop being a political football.

I should have added a to that.

You kill me KDD. Papayaman, welcome. Feel free to chime in on topics that interest you.

@@Stosh, what would that subforum look like? @@blw2, the challenge is all Scouts grow up. For a youth to run a forum that passes off to youth members is something I dont think 99.99 % of youth would make. Enoch Heise? Has one called "Scouting Rediscovered". He might have been a youth when he started the blog, but hes definetly an adult now.

God bless your Scouts, your troop, and the Scouts families. Take care.

Disclaimer, I have only read your last few posts on page 5. Tatung I think you've got the right intentions, but you are giving your Scouts whiplash. If you're telling them to do things one way, then they start doing it, and the SM or another adult jumps all over them, they are going to resent and be confused by that. You need to create a vision of what the troop will look like, and what the benefits are to doing things your way. Sell that to the SM, CC and get them on board. Then when the adults have a mostly unified vision, you can start implementing things. I would have some heart to hearts with some of the Scouts, and talk about their leadership, how things are, what they want to change. It gives you more security that you're doing things for their sake, and not our own. Going around the SM is just going to make him suspicious of your intentions, and you cannot win that battle directly. He can always undo what you have done. My Troop was never that bad, but I got our troop to make some big steps toward the patrol method by being the loyal trooper for the SM, while at the same time, planting the Youth led and Patrol method seeds in his head. I volunteered for the annoying tasks, went on the outings that were light on adults, and generally did whatever I could support him. It took a lot of watering, but he came around to it. Had I tried to do things behind his back, he would simply have undone everything I tried to do. It's hard to say, but unless you are the SM, or the CC, instituting the patrol method from any other position makes you reliant on other adults to make it happen. It's not easy or practical to do this from the ASM position. It becomes a test of your people and communication skills more than anything else. Sentinel947

I'm not bothered by people with bright gear and clothing. I'd rather see their campsite, so as to not tramp through it. (or if it's a bunch of yahoos.) avoid them. As a person with finite time and resources, I use the best gear I can, based on price, features and weight. Color is a minor consideration. I own two orange and charcoal tents, and blue and black packs. It was whatever met my needs at the time, and there weren't a lot of forest neutral colors. Wear what you want, gear companies don't make it easy to have nature like colors. The aspects of leave no trace regarding not trampling plant life, polluting water, and respecting animals are far more important than the color of ones gear. In my mind, being "considerate of others" is more about excessive noise, and not doing dumb things like making fires outside of fire pits, or digging trenches around tents which scars the land. Or litter. It's a sad statement that every trip I end up with a trashbag that is mostly full of other folks trash.

I had a "coronation". Was, and still is the troop custom. If I had to do it over again I would have done it attached to a troop COH. Less work, and would have been just as meaningful to have the whole troop there.

A little name calling we expect and encourage our youth leaders to handle. When it becomes pervasive, foul and targeting we should be involved. Physical violence should always be handled by the SM and CC. There are few exceptions, but otherwise, serious physical violence would warrant a suspension in my troop. A little pushing and shoving? Probably not. Hitting people? Yes. The line is a grey one. Our ability to handle these behavioral things is pretty limited. I can have a conversation with the scouts and monitor for compliance. I can remove the Scout and hand him over to his parents for actual discipline. Most cases with my boys the soft power option works well. I enjoy that method, but it's only good on kids that are really good kids and made an error in judgment. If they are a rotten apple, they are going to say all the right things, then go back to doing whatever they want. IMO revisiting old behavior is not useful. Correction of behavior in children needs to be done close to the event in question. With my troop by far the more common issue is bullying. Name calling, teasing, ostracizing other boys. They go to school together and build up these conflicts outside of our view as scouters. One of my lines is "You don't have to like each other, but here you will treat each other with respect." More simply, if you don't like each other, why are you seeking each other out? Leave each other alone! The bullying I think is somewhat inevitable. It's something that must be managed, and cannot be eliminated entirely. To the OP: Observe. Work with your son on ways he can cope and deal with the troublemakers. Keep the SM in the loop on what you are seeing. This is a problem with any youth organization, it's pretty simple to deal with. Not easy, but straightforward.