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I'm sure many have seen the recent article in the New York Times discussing local concern over some issues related to the proposed site for future jamborees in Virginia.According to that article a rep from BSA stated that they may not be able to use that site for the next event in 2013.I'd suggest those who haven't seen the article read it for themselves. Among other questions,a couple in particular come to mind: If the 2013 jamboree can't be held at the proposed new site,what is the BSA's "Plan B"? As I understand they have been informed the current site will not be available after 2010. Have there been similar local concerns raised over the proposed site for a new high adventure site in West Virginia? I'd be very interested in more details,particularly from those in the vacinity of these two sites.

I find this discussion very interesting,from a personal viewpoint.I come from the council that includes this unit,and served as our Exploring Division chairman when Venturing was created.At that time,and I believe currently,our largest Exploring cluster group was law enforcement,and the Border Patrol was the sponsor of most of those units.We had their local sector commander as a guest speaker at one of our annual recognition dinners.They were a very active and involved sponsor for these units. We attempted to service both the existing Exploring and new Venturing units through our division.We found that though the two programs have some simularities(eg:youth age range),their differences were sufficient to warrent serving them differently.So the Exploring posts were assigned to a new LFL division,along with our in-school and special needs groups.The Venturing crews were assigned to our districts,where they remain. One of the reasons we decided to seperate these programs(though not the primary one)was that some Scouters from the traditional programs weren't comfortable working in LFL.It's a subsidiary of the BSA,with its own policies,some of which are rather different from those for the traditional programs.This has proven to be a satisfactory(though admittedly not perfect)arrangement.

Since I haven't seen anything since my last message,I'll provide what I have obtained to date.I'd appreciate any additional details which can be confirmed. Reporting to CSE(CEO): (no groups directly report) departments-BSA Foundation,Government/Community Relations Reporting to ACSE(COO): Council Solutions Group departments-Finance Impact,Membership Impact,Program Impact Inovations/Stategy Group departments-? Marketing Group departments-? Outdoor Adventures Group departments-Jamboree,National Events Regional Directors(4) "independent"departments-International,LFL Reporting to ACSE(CFO): Administration Group departments-? Controller departments-? Human Resources Group departments-? Supply Group departments-? "independent"departments-Internal Audit,Legal

I have not had much success in obtaining answers to detailed questions about national operations unless I have a sourse in the national office willing to provide them. I am a detailed-oriented person,for which I don't apologize.I've also learned that if one has access to how a group is organized it can answer many(though not all)of these types of questions,so that we don't have to make guesses based on incomplete information. I suspect that the answers to most of the questions above are available on the Scoutnet intranet service.If someone with access to it is willing to research this a little and post it here,that should handle most of the questions we have been discussing.

I have not had much success in obtaining answers to detailed questions about national operations unless I have a sourse in the national office willing to provide them. I am a detailed-oriented person,for which I don't apologize.I've also learned that if one has access to how a group is organized it can answer many(though not all)of these types of questions,so that we don't have to make guesses based on incomplete information. I suspect that the answers to most of the questions above are available on the Scoutnet intranet service.If someone with access to it is willing to research this a little and post it here,that should handle most of the questions we have been discussing.

I have not had much success in obtaining answers to detailed questions about national operations unless I have a sourse in the national office willing to provide them. I am a detailed-oriented person,for which I don't apologize.I've also learned that if one has access to how a group is organized it can answer many(though not all)of these types of questions,so that we don't have to make guesses based on incomplete information. I suspect that the answers to most of the questions above are available on the Scoutnet intranet service.If someone with access to it is willing to research this a little and post it here,that should handle most of the questions we have been discussing.

I have not had much success in obtaining answers to detailed questions about national operations unless I have a sourse in the national office willing to provide them. I am a detailed-oriented person,for which I don't apologize.I've also learned that if one has access to how a group is organized it can answer many(though not all)of these types of questions,so that we don't have to make guesses based on incomplete information. I suspect that the answers to most of the questions above are available on the Scoutnet intranet service.If someone with access to it is willing to research this a little and post it here,that should handle most of the questions we have been discussing.

I have not had much success in obtaining answers to detailed questions about national operations unless I have a sourse in the national office willing to provide them. I am a detailed-oriented person,for which I don't apologize.I've also learned that if one has access to how a group is organized it can answer many(though not all)of these types of questions,so that we don't have to make guesses based on incomplete information. I suspect that the answers to most of the questions above are available on the Scoutnet intranet service.If someone with access to it is willing to research this a little and post it here,that should handle most of the questions we have been discussing.

I have not had much success in obtaining answers to detailed questions about national operations unless I have a sourse in the national office willing to provide them. I am a detailed-oriented person,for which I don't apologize.I've also learned that if one has access to how a group is organized it can answer many(though not all)of these types of questions,so that we don't have to make guesses based on incomplete information. I suspect that the answers to most of the questions above are available on the Scoutnet intranet service.If someone with access to it is willing to research this a little and post it here,that should handle most of the questions we have been discussing.

Based on reviewing the new organization charts for the national office and national volunteer leadership it appears that there is a least a limited correlation between them. 1.There are eight "groups" on the national office chart which report to the two ACSE's.Seven of them have a corresponding "standing" committee on the volunteer chart(the controller does not). 2.The standing committees collectively contain 28 "support" committees.The office groups are composed of "departments".I would expect that there is a correlation between support committees and departments.But since I don't have access to a more detailed chart of the office I can't evaluate this at this time. 3.There are 5 "special" committees and 4 "ad-hoc" committees on the volunteer chart.There are a variety of independent departments on the office chart which report directly to one of the two ACSE's or the CSE,rather than being in one of the eight groups.There appears to be a partial correlation between these two types of committees on the volunteer chart and these independent departments on the office chart.But there are committees without a corresponding department shown,and departments without a corresponding committee shown. To be able to do a complete analysis we really need a detailed chart of the national office that includes the new departments and other sub-divisions. I would expect that someone within the national office has already produced a list that compares the professional and volunteer components of the new national organization.If we could acquire access to that that should answer many of the questions we've been asking.

From another online source I've obtained a little more information.Apparently the largest components of the national office are still "groups".These are now comprised of "departments"(rather than the former divisions). I've also seen the term "team" used,but am not sure how it fits into the new structure. If I obtain any more specifics I'll share them.

While I appreciate reading about individual experiances,I also am still interested in securing answers to the general questions I listed above. On the one hand,I would expect that infractions and some misdomenor convictions do not necessarily disqualify applications.On the other hand I would expect that many(all?)felony convictions probably do. I suppose that this could be summarized by answers to two broad questions: First-What types of convictions automatically disqualify all applicants for registration? Second-What types of convictions(if any)can be evaluated by councils on an individual basis for registration?

I have now seen another reference to a "department" at the national BSA office,specifically Jamboree Department.Since I believe the personnel supporting this event on a long-term basis constituted a division in the old organization,this leads me to wonder whether the term "department" has now replaced "division". My sense is that until we somehow obtain access to the details of the structure of the national staff below the "group" level shown on the charts listed above,we're just going to be guessing about all of this. Hopefully we could also learn about the structure of national volunteers below the level of the committees also shown on the charts above.This should assist is understanding how the national staff and volunteers are expected to work together in the new organization. Anyone out there know a friendly professional in your council office who might be willing to access Scoutnet to obtain this information?

I believe the largest components of national staff,whose directors report to the two ACSE's,are still called "groups",based on the cover memo that came with the new staff organization chart. In the past the groups were composed of "divisions",some of which were further sub-divided into "services". I don't know if these two terms are still being used,or how the term "department" fits into the new structure.Perhaps it's now being used instead of one of the old terms. The new chart was being introduced at a professional meeting,and its cover memo mentioned that additional details would also be available at that time.I would expect that by now a more complete chart,including the lower levels,has been posted somewhere on the Scoutnet intranet.We need a BSA staff person with access to it to extact that information and provide it as a link or attachment.That should answer most of the questions we have.

I recently received a mailing from the national office that related to this subject.It was a newsletter to Scouters who had participated in various donation programs to solicit future doantions and advise us of special events,such as the travelling exhibit of Scouting art.It was from the "Finance Impact Department". I'd guess this is one of the mysterious new entities within the new structure of the national office,which isn't listed on the new organization chart referred to above. I also wonder about the term "department".Although this is commonly used within councils I don't believe I've seen it used by the national office in the past.Is it the new term for what used to be called a "division"?