scoutruud

I read this: >However, what we are arguing is that we >disapprove of their decision, which is immoral. Who is 'we' here? The whole amarican scout organisation? On what basis can an american organisation exclude gay scouts? Is that not against the law? It IS agains the Human Rights! >Intolerance merely means lack of respect for >people. We are showing the respect, however, we >disagree with what they stand for. I think excluding them from your organisation is a very clear sign of disrespect >If we're required to be friends to all, I pity >society. We couldn't make basic decisions for >fear that it might offend someone. OK, that is a good point. We should always be respectful, but not always be friends to all. But that does not have anything to do with expelling gay people I think. >Where are you from? I come from Holland, live in Yougoslavia. >Do you have a co-ed program or boys only? As far as I know are all scout organisations in Europe co-ed. >Whether you are from Europe of America, you >should know that of all the rights Americans >hold most dear, one is the right to have an >opinion and be able to express it. This forum is >an expression of that right. Did I in anyway discus the freedom of expression? >In America thats what freedom means. I feel that if in America scouts are send outof the scout movement as soon as the say they are gay, this clearly limits their freedom of expression... I even read that there is a rule in america that as soon as you express that you thin being gay is not a problem you can be expelled. How does that limit your freedom of expression? >who dont always agree with each other. if we all agree about everything, live would be boring, wouldn't it? Does amarican scouting accept the universal declaration of the human rights? ScoutRuud

This is the most hypothetical discussion I have ever seen. Gays must have a terrible live in the states if these are the thoughts of avarage americans... I think that most users here are americans? I know that the European Scout Association resently officially declared that gays are more then welcome in scouting. It was as unanimous decision. Where in our scout law does it say: 'thay shall not be gay?' I never read this. It is also against the United Nations Human Rights to descriminate on sexual orientation. What is happening here??? I am not gay, but I have gay friends and I have never had any kind of problem with that. I am shocked by these very intollerant discussion. A scout should be a friend of all other scouts, black or white, moslim or Christian, boy or girl, gay or not gay, clever or not clever, handicapt or not, etc. That is what I think we should teach our members. And, if being gay is bad, do we exclude all members who make a mistake? If so, I can send all my scouts away today. ScoutRuud

This is the most hypothetical discussion I have ever seen. Gays must have a terrible live in the states if these are the thoughts of avarage americans... I think that most users here are americans? I know that the European Scout Association resently officially declared that gays are more then welcome in scouting. It was as unanimous decision. Where in our scout law does it say: 'thay shall not be gay?' I never read this. It is also against the United Nations Human Rights to descriminate on sexual orientation. What is happening here??? I am not gay, but I have gay friends and I have never had any kind of problem with that. I am shocked by these very intollerant discussion. A scout should be a friend of all other scouts, black or white, moslim or Christian, boy or girl, gay or not gay, clever or not clever, handicapt or not, etc. That is what I think we should teach our members. And, if being gay is bad, do we exclude all members who make a mistake? If so, I can send all my scouts away today. ScoutRuud

Who know the deeper meaning of the scout salute. Once I was told that the thum hiding the pink meant that the strong one protects the weak. Is this the real and only meaning? Or is there more? Ruud

I am looking for a video documentary about scouting. I heared that it excist, but how ncan I get a copy? Thanx! Ruud