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Yes, serial rapists also have porn. Homosexuals use porn shops as meeting places. Many independent studies have documented the secondary effects of pornography on a society. Areas where porn shops open have increases of crime in the 80% range; most involving assaults, sexual assaults, rapes and pedophilia. Spanking a child is not akin to spanking an adult and is not a fair comparison. Children and adults do not think the same. Children are not miniature adults; they are children. I have given my son a spanking on occassion and he is a well adjusted, Christian, honor student--how horrible! What a terrible foundation to give him in life!

I think it's great that people are taking the initiative to continue funding to the country's preminent boy's group, the BSA! Kudos to them! Shame on other groups for trying to establish another's membership guidelines by withholding money!!!!!!

Our pack had each scout bring an ornament for the tree. We also bought gifts for kids at a church home so the representative from that organization came to collect the gifts. Each den earned their own money and bought their own gifts. We also had a pinata, Santa came and handed out candycanes and pinewood derby cars and then of course lots of holiday cookies and punch!

Little revision there, Sctmom? Seems like you describe 4th of July, Memorial Day and Veteran's Day, not Thanksgiving. Like it or not the Pilgrim's were Christians who left Europe because of persecution. They celebrated their bounty and blessings from God on that legendary Thanksgiving; not our country or our freedom (sort of predated our country and they weren't so pleased with old England so they were hardly celebrating that either). They were thankful to the Creator for all the blessings He had bestowed upon them.

Merlyn, I'm sure you are learned enough to know Christians celebrate the birth and the resurrection of Jesus Christ, Lord and Savior. Christians do not celebrate winter or spring solstices. What is curious to me though is what pagan holidays have to do with an atheist's answer about this thursday.

I'd be very sad if my sister or my daughter decided to be a pagan. I guess I care enough about them to want them to have life forever instead of a measly 50-100 years here. Just a perspective.

Merlyn, what will you do this thursday and why?

1 Cor. 10:19-22 "Do I mean then that a sacrifice offered to an idol is anything, or that an idol is anything? No, but the sacrifices of pagans are offered to demons, not to God, and I do not want you to be participants with demons. You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons too; you cannot have a part in both the Lord's table and the table of demons." It is fitting that they should have their own group.

"What I do know is that God created something that led through some unknown number of steps to what we are and what we see around us. " and what led you to the conclusion there was a something in the middle?

Quantum Physics time, space, and matter came into existence at the same time Genetics recombination of genes occurs producing variables within the same species dna is actually extremely lengthy codes placed within each cell humans originated from one group of ancestors with a common female ancestor Geology fossil records do not support Darwin's theory of evolution intermidiary fossils do not exist between species Evolution is a hoax perpetrated on much of the world. It's interesting to me that if you look at gallup poll results; most Americans do not buy into this hoax and that as the level of education goes up the level of belief in evolution goes down. Look at the figures for the % of Americans that support teaching creationism in the public schools. It's quite different from the figures FirstPusk and others would like you to believe with their "most americans" or "most Christians" comments. What is the evidence for macro evolution? When has it been tested? When has it been shown to be true? What experiments have proven it?

"To a scientist viewing it thru science (not even considering religion) it is purely scientific and not religious. It is a matter of perception depending on which side of the fence you are standing on." Darwin knew it was a means of attacking religion without doing it obvertly. All of the scientists I've previously quoted do as well.

I automatically think Seneca/Iroquois Indians. Not to clump all people of Native American descent together--just the nations around my home town area. Here the kids are not allowed to sing Christmas songs but halloween songs flourish--imagine that.

Again, people can always read our posts and make their own determinations on any subject on this board. I really am not too concerned about your opinions of me, FirstPusk or Sctmom, we have very different ideologies and our ideas on many topics will be very different as a consequence. It could be any topic from religion, constitutional issues, child rearing, scouting projects etc because each individual's beliefs influence what types of decisions they make. You are entitled to shake your head in disbelief Sctmom and I am entitled to shake mine in disbelief of your naivete. Have a great evening.

Oh now it's my integrity that you question...lol. Anyone can read any of our posts and see what are positions are and who has maintained integrity throughout. Now since I provided the references for each quote cited, anyone is also welcome to read any of the original sources. Now as to your misquoting me numerous times, thanks for correcting that and if you reread it you will see it requires no answer. It's simple logic if there are scientic theories we aren't aware of yet, then I can't list them. Now that wasn't so hard was it? Finally it wasn't an attempt to prove I was smarter so much as an opportunity to lay to rest your assertions that those that disagree with you don't understand the subject matter and the abilities of each contender. I can see that you are sensitive on the subject of intelligence and I apologize if I offended you.

FirstPusk, you lose credibility when you attack me on a personal level. I challenged YOU to an IQ test as well as a biology and theology test when you questioned my understanding of the subjects. Are you the reigning king of IQ? Otherwise I don't see where you are drawing that supposition from. Now I do find it endearing that you are concerned about my college grades but you needn't be. Thanks for your concern and your unbiased answer as always.

Dr Scott Todd, an immunologist at Kansas State University: Even if all the data point to an intelligent designer, such an hypothesis is excluded from science because it is not naturalistic Reference Todd, S.C., correspondence to Nature 410(6752):423, 30 Sept. 1999. 'People seem to think that Christianity and evolution do or can go together. But I suggest this is only possible for the intellectually schizophrenic. Biological theory does not require or allow any sort of divine guidance for the evolutionary process." David Oldroyd, The (Australian) Weekend Review, March 2021, 1993, p.5. (David Oldroyd is associate professor in the School of Science and Technology Studies at the University of New South Wales, Australia.)

Of course evolution is not science but a form of religion or anti religion. Don't kid yourself. "It is no more heretical to say the Universe displays purpose, as Hoyle has done, than to say that it is pointless, as Steven Weinberg has done. Both statements are metaphysical and outside science. Yet it seems that scientists are permitted by their own colleagues to say metaphysical things about lack of purpose and not the reverse. This suggests to me that science, in allowing this metaphysical notion, sees itself as religion and presumably as an atheistic religion (if you can have such a thing)." (Shallis, Michael [Astrophysicist, Oxford University], "In the eye of a storm", New Scientist, January 19, 1984, pp.42-43) "It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, "mad cow" disease, and many others, but I think a case can be made that faith is one of the world's great evils, comparable to the smallpox but harder to eradicate." (Dawkins, Richard [Zoologist and Professor for the Public Understanding of Science, Oxford University], "Is Science a Religion?" The Humanist, Vol. 57, No. 1., January/February 1997 "It is absolutely safe to say that if you meet somebody who claims not to believe in evolution, that person is ignorant, stupid or insane (or wicked, but I'd rather not consider that)." (Dawkins, Richard [Zoologist and Professor for the Public Understanding of Science, Oxford University], "Put Your Money on Evolution", Review of Johanson D. & Edey M.A., "Blueprints: Solving the Mystery of Evolution", in New York Times, April 9, 1989, sec. 7, p34) There was little doubt that the star intellectual turn of last week's British Association for the Advancement of Science meeting in Salford was Dr John Durant, a youthful lecturer from University College Swansea. Giving the Darwin lecture to one of the biggest audiences of the week, Durant put forward an audacious theory-that Darwin's evolutionary explanation of the origins of man has been transformed into a modern myth, to the detriment of science and social progress. Durant said that scientists and popularisers have asked too much of the theory of evolution, demanding that it explain... "Life, the Universe, and Everything". As a result Darwin's theory has burst at the seams, leaving a wreckage of distorted and mutilated ideas, and man's understanding of his society has been hobbled by his inability to escape the conservative myths he has created. Durant bemoaned the transformation of evolutionary ideas into "secular or scientific myths". ... they have assumed the social role of myths-legends about remote ancestors that express and reinforce peoples' ideas about the society around them. "Like the creation myths which have so largely replaced, theories of human evolution are basically stories about the first appearance of man on Earth and the institution of human society," said Durant. ... Durant concludes that the secular myths of evolution have had "a damaging effect on scientific research", leading to "distortion, to needless controversy, and to the gross misuse of science". ("How evolution became a scientific myth," New Scientist, 11 September 1980, p.765). "The fact of evolution is the backbone of biology, and biology is thus in the peculiar position of being a science founded on an unproved theory-is it then a science or a faith? Belief in the theory of evolution is thus exactly parallel to belief in special creation-both are concepts which believers know to be true but neither, up to the present, has been capable of proof" (Matthews, L. Harrison [british biologist and Fellow of the Royal Society], "Introduction", Darwin C.R., "The Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection," J. M. Dent & Sons: London, 1976, pp.x,xi, in Ankerberg J.* & Weldon J.*, "Rational Inquiry & the Force of Scientific Data: Are New Horizons Emerging?," in Moreland J.P., ed., "The Creation Hypothesis: Scientific Evidence for an Intelligent Designer," InterVarsity Press: Downers Grove IL., 1994, p.275). "Thus, a century ago, Darwinism against Christian orthodoxy. To-day the tables are turned. The modified, but still characteristically Darwinian theory has itself become an orthodoxy, preached by its adherents with religious fervour, and doubted, they feel, only by a few muddlers imperfect in scientific faith." (Grene, Marjorie [Professor Emeritus of Philosophy, University of California, Davis], "The Faith of Darwinism," Encounter, Vol. 74, November 1959, pp.48-56, p.49)

How about a call to Children and Youth Protective Services or the Health Department for information on this topic? They might be able to take care of it with one phone call to the school district. I also agree that you as a parent have the right to be informed. This is not the proper way to teach children to behave. Is it so hard to institute a hall pass policy? While teacher's contracts may preclude them from monitoring bathrooms there is no policy that would exclude the PTO from setting up a volunteer program or the school district from utilizing a teacher's aid or monitor for this purpose. It's funny to me how the schools complain that they are stuck parenting many of the children but when a parent is involved and asks questions then they give the response you are experiencing. They are so used to giving the orders to kids they really don't realize they need to answer to people as well. Have you spoken to the school nurse? That may be another avenue to pursue.

Director of Pupil Services; if they aren't the right person they can direct you to the right one. You could also speak to the school psychologist about the negative impact this time of attitude has on children and the practical ramifications to locking them out of the bathrooms.

Our computer printer cartridges go into a box at the local bank and the cubscout pack in town receives $ 2.00 for each one collected.

NJCubscouter writes: "The issue is that some people want to use public funds and public facilities to teach their religious beliefs regarding the origin of the world and mankind to a captive audience of public school children." I know and I find it ridiculous that you, firstpusk and others continue to try to do that! Please quit using tax money to spread your Godless psuedoscience!

I would have to agree that the question itself shows an agenda. If looking for honest opinions, then be fairminded enough to listen without flying off the handle. While I often don't agree with Bob White on his personal stances, he has a valid point that if you are asking for people to take part in your research, they have the right to ask questions about it and it's uses. Why would this engender such hostile remarks from you AnnaLisa? As for your comments to Rooster, they serve to undermine the research you purport to undertake without bias. They were assumptions to the nth degree and were unfounded. I have found him to be logical, honest and fairminded. Take a deep breath, reread the posts and ask yourself if your responses were a little "wild" and if your personal feelings are coloring them a little more than you realize.

"Faith-based is a label incorrectly applied by others not the BSA. The BSA uses the term value-based. I think many people just naturally equate values with faith." Bob White The resolution on the BSA site addresses this specifically: http://www.scouting.org/nav/enter.jsp?s=mc&c=pr

Might it be that there just wouldn't be enough atheist kids to make a patrol let alone a troop in each town? Now about this quote: Merlyn, why would that statement bother you so? Some may be honest but they certainly have no compelling reason to be or for dishonesty to be considered wrong....you shouldn't try to place your values on them. Maybe it would be a badge of honor to some atheists to be considered less than honest...how dare you decide for them?

Another assault by the minority....Merlyn, take kids who don't believe in a higher being and start your own organization. The military sponsors organizations overseas so kids don't have to miss even more while their parent's are defending atheists rights to be atheists.