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What ever happened to 2-Deep Leadership at this event? This should have been stopped by the 2nd adult leader, at the event, when it happened. Your CC & COR have the ability (& the obligation) to drop this leader from the unit's roster. Your council's SE should also be contacted under Youth Protection guidelines. Good Luck.

Sew them on. And to find out more about Girl Scouts, check out the GSUSA National website: http://www.girlscouts.org/program/gs_central/

I don't have any books with me, but I believe it is stated in the Cub Leader Book that a boy can not work on 2 levels at the same time. If he is a Wolf he works on Wolf requirements and that is it. He is not allowed to work on (or count at some future time) Bear, Webelos, or Boy Scout requirements. The ONLY time he can work on 2 levels is while he is working on his Bobcat.

As Pack Committee Chair you, along with your COR, are responsible for recruiting the Pack's leadership. You also are responsible for appointing/recruiting members of the committee (advancement, secretary, treasurer, etc). You form special committees (B&G, PWD, etc). You run the monthly committee meetings & handle recharter & other Pack business aspects. Running the Pack should not be a power struggle to see who is "Top Dog". That will only hurt the Pack in the long run. The COR, CC & CM are a TEAM. You should work TOGETHER. That said, the COR and the Head of the CO, are the ones who have any real "power". The CO owns the unit & can "hire" & "fire" at will. If you have been thru Committee training, then you should already know all of this. Sit down with your CM & talk things out. BTW - Nobody can FORCE someone to attend a meeting. They either show up or not. If remembering meeting dates/times seems to be a problem with folks, you could have your Committee Secretary send out monthly reminders. (This message has been edited by ScoutNut)

The Scoutmaster. The SM can then work with his SPL.

I would boil them. What are the facilities available? Can you cook on site? Even if you have to cook off-site boiling would be quick. Have a camp stove set up where ever it is permissible (by booth, outside in parking lot, etc). Have warming trays set up in the booth. The kind with canned heat, a metal frame, a foil pan with water in it, & another over that with the cooked dogs covered in foil. The frames, heat & foil pans can be found in most party/card stores. You can have another warmer set up with buns. When you get low you simply switch out foil pans. You can also have a charcoal grill set up outside if you would rather grill than boil. (This message has been edited by ScoutNut)

BALOO, which is the acronym for Cub Scout Basic Adult Leader Outdoor Orientation, is a full day course designed for all new Cub Scout leaders and parents of Cub Scouts. This training is designed to provide the initial and basic information adults need to successfully take a PACK overnight camping. As such, it is designed to focus on the requirements for boys of Cub Scout age. BALOO training gives each trainee information on equipment, health and safety, first aid, campfires, locating campsites, outdoor cooking, and much more. Webelos Leader Outdoor Training(WLOT is the current name although some councils are keeping the OWL name) focuses on teaching the new Webelos Leader how to prepare for, plan and run a quality outdoor event for Webelos aged Scouts. Conducted in an outdoor environment, the course can be either an all day event or may include an overnight campout. Webelos Leader Outdoor Training builds on information taught in BALOO and gives more detained information on equipment, health and safety, first aid, campfires, locating campsites, outdoor cooking, and much more. Basicly, WLOT goes into more specifics for running a WEBELOS DEN campout. It also goes into the outdoor activity badges.

Where is your Charter Organization in all of this? It is the responsibility of the CO & their COR to provide leadership to their units. If your CO wants to start up a Boy Scout Troop it is their responsibility to get the job done. Let the COR & the Troop's CC worry about Troop leadership. That is their job, not yours.

Since it was a District event the person you should talk to is your District Executive. I also don't think a letter is the way to go. I would do it more casually. If you see him/her the next time you are at your council offices mention that your boys were dissapointed the event was geared for much older scouts. Another place to bring up comments on the event would be at your next District Roundtable. Although slamming an event is never a good way to approach things, I am certain that feedback, both good & bad, would be welcome. It will help shape next years event.

"Cub Scouts and Webelos have different themes." True, but if the Pack follows the monthly Cub Scout themes, it usually follows the main theme for Cub Scouts. That is how the month is geared & how the monthly Pack meeting is focused. "Yes, the Cubmaster works directly with the Tiger Cub Coach, Den Leaders, and Pack Committee Chair to make sure all the dens are functioning properly and plans the den & Pack programs with the help of other leaders but does not dictate to the den leaders what they should be doing." CM Fred did not say anything about dictating to anybody. He stated he planned a Pack outing based on the Cub Scout theme for the month. I am sure no one was FORCED to attend. Every level (including Webelos) has some kind of achievement based on communication which an outing to a newspaper could fulfill. BTW - There is no such position of Tiger Cub Coach & hasn't been for at least 5-6 years. As people here have said - The CC is in charge of the business aspect & the Committee itself. The CM is in charge of the Pack program. They should NOT be nit picking about who does what & who is "in charge" of who. The CC, CM, Den Leaders, & Committee Members all work TOGETHER to give the boys in their Pack the best program they can. Unless you have someone in your Pack who is untrained, a control freak, or both, I really do not see why this should be such a big problem.

In LDS Units boys advance to the next level on their birthday. Grade level has nothing to do with it. LDS is age/priesthood level driven. They have no Tiger level. Boys start in Cubs at age 8 as a Wolf. On their 9th birthday they move to Bear. On their 10th birthday they become a Webelos. At 11 they become a Blazer Scout in a New Scout Patrol. The 11 year old Scout is not considered to be a full Boy Scout yet. At 12 years old they usually have achieved First Class Boy Scout and are eligible to become a Deacon in the Aaronic Priesthood. It sounds like your new Scout is right on schedule for an LDS unit. He just turned 10 & will be a Webelos Scout for 1 year. He should be able to earn AOL. If he works hard he might be ready by March. Otherwise he should be able to do it by the end of 5th grade.

From the BSA Cub Scout Youth Application: Cub ScoutMust have completed first grade, but not completed third grade, or be age 8 or 9. Webelos ScoutMust have completed third grade, but has not completed fifth grade, or be age 10, but not yet 11 1⁄2. From BSA National website - Fact Sheets - "What is Cub Scouting": Tiger Cub. The Tiger Cub program is for first-grade (or age 7) boys and their adult partners. Wolf. The Wolf program is for boys who have completed first grade (or are age 8). Bear. The Bear rank is for boys who have completed second grade (or are age 9). Webelos. This program is for boys who have completed third grade (or are age 10). Your 9 year old son CAN NOT be a Webelos. Are you stepping too far out of line? In a word, YES. I (& I'm sure your sons) appreciate the fact that you want to be involved in both of your sons Scouting activities. However, changing the BSA Program into the garygarrison2003 program is not the way to do it. There are many ways to be involved with your son's in the Scouting program. You do not HAVE to be a Den Leader. You do not HAVE to be involved in ALL of their activities. In the Wolf & Bear Dens, MOST of their rank achievements are supposed to be done at home with their family. Den meetings are supposed to be for the boys to get ready for the monthly Pack meetings. In reality, however, many Den Leaders pick some of the Rank Achievements to complete during Den meetings & let the families know what acheivements they must complete at home. How large is your Pack? Do they have Den leaders for each level? How involved are you currently in your Pack? Are you a Den Leader for your older son's Webelos Den? If you are, then you know that Webelos is NOT like Tiger, Wolf & Bear. Parents are no longer Akela's. They do NOT sign off on everything anymore. The Den Leader, Specialist in charge of teaching an activity pin (which COULD be a parent, but is not necessarialy one), or whoever the Den Leader assigns, is who signs off requirements as having been completed. Sign up your younger son in your Pack's Bear Den. Drop him off at the Den meetings & do not stay. Come back & pick him up when the meeting is over. Sit down with your younger son & go over his Bear Handbook with him at home. Work with him on his Bear Achievements at home, sign off on them in his book, & let his Den Leader know what has been signed off. You will be involved in your son's Scouting without it taking excess time each week. If you have any extra time you can volunteer to help at a specific Den activity, help at a Pack meeting, or help teach the Den a specific topic you are very familiar with or interested in. This can be as little or as much time as you want to spend, but your son then gets to have his OWN individual Scouting experience.

Your son does not qualify, either by age or grade, as a Webelos Scout. Webelos are boys who have completed 3rd grade OR are age 10. Bears, on the other hand, are boys who have completed 2nd grade OR are age 9. Your son is a Bear. He can NOT sign up as a Webelos of any kind, 1, 2 or even 1.5. Why, other than not wanting to drive him to the Den meetings, do you want to force your son into this situation? This is not a good thing. Let him attend Bear meetings with the rest of the boys in his class.

Giving out recognitions for things that have not been earned is a VERY bad habit to start. The boys & their families have to understand that they must EARN these things. They also have to get into the habit of signing off on completed items in their son's books. However - The three things the boys must do to earn their Totem are: 1) Learn the Tiger Cub Motto: Search, Discover, Share 2) Learn the Cub Scout Sign 3) Learn the Cub Scout Salute These are very basic, easy things that you SHOULD be going over/doing at EACH den meeting. I explain these 3 things at our very first Tiger den meeting each year (I am permanent Tiger Leader!). We have a flag ceremony to start each meeting with everyone saluting the flag. Those in uniform use the Scout Salute, those not in uniform place their hand over heart. We then repeat the Cub Scout Promise using the Scout Sign. At the end of our meeting we form a Living Circle & do the Tiger Motto. If the Tiger Teams attend just 1 den meeting they receive their Totem at the first Pack meeting. For the 2nd half of the year we switch to the Cub Scout Law with the flag ceremony & the Cub Scout Motto with the Living Circle. During the year, when receiving recognitions, we do the Scout Handshake with each Tiger. By the end of the year, without even realizing it, most of the boys have almost everything they need for Bobcat already memorized! Constant repetition is the key. These are NOT just things that the parents sign off on & then forget about because they are never used again. Cover them each Tiger meeting & give the boys their Totems. PS - If you know they have finished a requirement, you do not have to wait until a parent signs off on it. You can sign off on it yourself. I collect all books the week before the Pack meeting, take them home, go thru them, sign off & transfer to my records. The books get returned at the Pack meeting or the next den meeting. Good record keeping is a must. Welcome & Have a G-R-R-R-R-R-E-A-T Tiger year! (This message has been edited by ScoutNut)

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The first thing your sister (CC) should do is high-tail it over to council & let them know her signature was forged & re-sign those apps. Then she should get the COR & go pay a personal visit to the CM. Don't wait another month for the next committee meeting, do it now. They need to take control of the situation ASAP. There is every chance that what what he is doing is not malicious, just what he thinks he should be doing. Maybe he thinks he is actually helping. Let him know that signing someone else's name is WRONG. They both (CC & COR) need to let him know what the issues are & how he is overstepping his position (& undermining theirs). They also need to be very clear that his behavior must stop.

All of our unit adult meetings, including the committee meetings, are rather informal. We are not uniformed, & do not do a flag ceremony of any kind. Usually the meetings are in our Parish Hall's "Scout Room" & we start, & end, with a short prayer, but that is about it for formality. If we are meeting with new leaders for a Q&A, help session it is usually at someone's home.

One of the options to discuss with the parents (& the 4th grade leader) is, if the boys can not go to Boy Scouts with the rest of their den, to have them stay & attend the 4th grade meetings until they A) Finish their AOL B) Reach 11 years old or the end of 5th grade. I would not recommend just letting them drop out until they are eligible to join a BS Troop. They most likely never will.

Talk to her Den Leader. The Den Leader is in a better situation to talk to her & probably knows her better. Maybe they could work on hygeine as a part on their den meeting.

Nice. It would have been nicer if they had gotten the terminology correct. Packmaster? Sounds like a video game to me.

If you do a search on "flag ceremony" in the search box at the top of this page, or in your fav search engine, you should find plenty of ideas.

Juliette's can not have a bank account or do any money earning activities. They can participate in council cookie/nut/magazine programs, but the profit would go back to council, or to a Troop if they were working with one for the sale. Juliette's can also participate in council/SU activities. Councils do things differently. Your best bet would be to call your council and talk to whoever is in charge of Juliette's. If they do not have anyone strictly for Juliette's then talk to the Field Rep (or whatever they are called!) for your Service Unit (neighborhood). You might also want to mention to your council the reason that all of these girls are interested in going to Juliette status. Troops do NOT have to accept, or keep, any girl, especially one that is violent & dangerous. If something happened, & a girl was injured because of the failure of your Troop's leadership to act responsibly, it could get very ugly for the leaders & your council.

Wow - 10 Tigers! That's great T-Bob! In Tigers you always have to be prepared for Tags. Since the Adult Partner has to be there, actively participating in everything with their Tiger Scout, sometimes there is just no other option except to bring along younger sibs. They don't necessarily have to be doing the same things as their big bro though. I have lots of coloring, puzzle pages & crayons that I use for gathering, fillers & sibs. I also ask the parent to bring something for their younger guys to keep busy with (fav toy, book, etc) The little ones I've dealt with are usually pretty good & don't distract their parent/big bro to much. Plus, they end up soaking up stuff like the Promise, Law, Salute, etc. Then when they get to Tigers they have a head start with learning it! As far as camp outs go (& pretty much everything else too!), Cubs is a LOT different than Boy Scouts. Cub Scouts is an adult driven, FAMILY program. Family is involved in just about every aspect of Cub Scouting. A parent (or another parent designated adult) HAS to camp with a Cub Scout at all times. Although it is possible to run one as a Scout & Me camp, most Pack camp outs ARE Family Camp outs, with the entire family participating! The Pack BALOO trained person(s) plans a program that includes all age & ability levels. Boy Scouts, on the other hand is a boy driven, boy program (or at least it SHOULD be). Adults are in more of an "advisory" position and not a "leadership" position. Family is still involved (& no activity should ever be "closed" to parents), but in a very different, more limited, form. Unless a camp out is specifically designated as a family camp out, it is usually only designed for (& program supplied for) the Boys in the BS Troop & the adults that are needed for drivers & to be in compliance with BSA regs. If a tag-along sib is an absolute necessity, care should be taken to keep them separate from the activities of the older boys. As the "Guide to Safe Scouting" states: "If a well-meaning leader brings along a child who does not meet these age guidelines, disservice is done to the unit because of distractions often caused by younger children. A disservice is also done to the child, who is not trained to participate in such an activity and who, as a nonmember of the group, may be ignored by the older campers."

You have a Den Leader who has been appointed by your District as a Unit Commissioner (hopefully NOT for your unit) who is also becoming your replacement Cubmaster? This does not sound like a very good idea. The positions of Den Leader, Unit Commissioner, & Cubmaster are all very big jobs. To have a person hold all three is just asking for none of them to be done right. Since you can not register as both a Cubmaster & Den Leader, I would suggest that your CC find someone else to fill one of those positions. Give this poor guy a break before he burns himself out. BTW, your DE can suggest possible SM's to the Troop's CC & COR, but he has absolutely no say in who is chosen. That is up to the COR & CC. Take the SM training, & you might also look into taking Venturing Leader Specific & Venturing YPT since your daughter wants to join a Crew in a year. Good Luck! (This message has been edited by ScoutNut)

I too, would recommend passing on the UC position. Taking on a District position is a lot of extra work & you do not want to burn yourself out. Remember, this is supposed to be FUN! Also, having a UC who is a member of the unit is a less that ideal situation. It severely cuts down on his ability to be objective & help the unit when needed.