Sarge

P.R.A.Y. has decided to change the appearance of it's Religious Emblems. http://www.praypub.org/main_frameset.htm I realize it was part of the Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act of 2008, but I fail to understand why the re-design. To me, they seem too 'pretty' and just plain ugly.

If the CM, ACM, DL, ADL, TCL, PT, WL, and AWL all have voices but no vote, who exactly comprises your committee? I realize that things vary place to place, but in my pack, the CM, ACM, DL, ADL, TCL, PT, WL, and AWL *ARE* the committee...

Tigers have had their own socks for years. That's nothing new. That PDF that was linked up by cimarron is fairly new. Versions I have always seen previous to that showed the CS Scouter with the green numbers and trained strip. And also never contained pictures of the Bear Uniform. Only a side bar noting the blue hats/scarves. This is just another example of the quality of leadership out of Irving. The left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing; leaving issues such as this vague, non-specific and unanswered. Leave it to bearuocracy to give an official answer that contradicts itself...

Tell the boys there will be a do-over on X date. There will be no absentee ballots. If you want your vote, you have to be there. Majority of vote from those in attendance wins. Period.

You need to tell your Scout Shop manager to get the red and white numbers in stock. As emb said, Cubs and Venturing need them for proper uniforming. If they don't have them, they are failing to provide you with necessary resources and a full service shop. That is not acceptable and should not be tollerated.

Until they reach Webelos rank, we require a parent/guardian to be present. A few situations have come up where the parent will be arriving late, and the boy comes with a friend and their parent. As long as that second parent is responsible for the boy, we allow the primary parent to come later on.

With the scouting year starting to wind down (9 weeks, 7 meetings for my pack), I am planning to buy the Bear Handbook for my son soon. I am wondering if the members of this forum have any input on the spiral bound books vs. the conventional hardbound spine style. Last year, I had hoped to get the spiral bound style Wolf book, but the scout shop was out before I got there. There is a plethora of both types on the shelf right now. Has anyone had experience with both styles and is there a better option? Or is this one of those 'It doesn't really matter...' type scenarios?

How in the world can they produce something with errors? It has been at least 7 months since they rolled out the new uniforms. And they still can't get it right? Do we not have a uniform committee that makes, votes on and carries motions to make decisions? Are these decisions not recorded? Is there no proof-reading and review of doccumentation before being distributed? Where patches go on a BOY/CUB SCOUT UNIFORM is not rocket science. Yet the 'best and brightest' in Irving still manage to foul it up. Very sad... *This rant based solely on the assumption of the guide being distributed with errors. If done properly, please disregard.

Skipper, That's a different set of color combinations then I have seen in my research, but completely understandable. The point of my thread originally was to gather which direction the color sequence 'flows'. Does Bobcat start near the feathers and progress left to right with the AOL marking and crossover to BS ending near the arrow head? Or is the Bobcat near the arrow head and the BS stripe ending near the feathers? I have seen the 'kits' advertised on line with stripes flowing both directions. Just wondering if there is an overall concensus on which makes more sense.

I have a question that came up while discussing our upcoming 'crossing over' ceremony. If the boys are given a ceremonial arrow decorated with their scout career achievements, is there a "proper" sequence to put them in? By that, I mean is there an etiquette to where the Tiger stripe goes. Floating around on the net, I have found pictures of awards where the orange stripe is closer to the fletchings and progressing forward to W2 at the arrow head. Others (more common), show the award with the orange closer to the arrow head and the W2 achievements ending at the feathers. To me, that seems backwards... For me, AOL awards are 3+ years away. This question is just a result of casual conversation. Curious to hear how others have done/are doing theirs and if there is a 'protocol'.

I stopped at my Council scout shop today to pick up a few things for one of my Cubs uniform for our B&G this Friday. The lady in line ahead of me was discussing uniform set-up with the store manager. I inquired if the new insignia guide was out/coming out soon. The manager replied that it will be available in late March/early April. Perhaps then we can get 'proper' answres to the controvercies the new uniforms have caused.(This message has been edited by Sarge)

I don't see the need to 'split' the den. I find it hard to believe that any of the other parents of your Tigers are happy with the lack of activity. The CC and COR have the authority to remove and approve Leaders at any time. They can simply axe the old DL and appoint you and your wife in his place. And as far as 'blindsiding' the DL, don't sweat it. He's not doing his job and should have had the rug pulled out from under him a long time ago. Fill out your adult leader applications and give it to the CC ASAP. They will process it at the next committee meeting and address your situation then. Make sure you are there to present your side if needed. Then, get your basic training at the earliest possible juncture.your pack trainer should have a schedule.

Dean is right. If they want to play holier than thou and do their own thing, no pack funding. See how much support she gets when she tells parents that THEY need to shell out the money for it... Invite all of the seperatist den's membership to the regular Blue and Gold. If they show up without their leader, the CM should step up and hand out their awards with the proper recognition due. For those who refuse, give the W2 leader the boys awards, AFTER the scheduled B&G. And do NOT allow the awards to be given in a Pack forum. They forfeit their right to public recognition by boycotting the scnctioned Pack event. As W2s, they should only have a few weeks left before they bridge to Boy Scouts (correct?). Then, you will be able to wash your hands of them and not have to worry about them anymore.

CNY, I'm not the type to be a confrontationalist, but... This is the second thread about this topic you have started this week. In reviewing the responses form the various participants, the advice seems pretty much universal. YOU have to do something about it. Speak wiht the DE. If he has as close a relationship to your CM/CC as you say, maybe that will be the kick in the pants to get them to DO something about the situation. Who cares if he leaks it. At least they'll know you're serious. At the next meeting, talk to the parents one on one and gather your own contact list. The Council office has a list of all the kids/parents in your Pack in its records. Call them and ask for it. Circumvent the DL and plan your own meetings. If he gets offended, GOOD. He's not doing his job. Someone else has too. Nowhere is it written that Den meetings have to be on the CO property or even on the same night all the other dens meet. Have it in your/other parents homes and rig it as your schedule fits. Worst case scenario and you decide to leave but want to keep your kid in scouting, you may have to suck up that half hour drive each way. I traded a 45 second drive for a 25 minute one to improve my son's experience. For next year (Starting June 1, 2009), have your and your wife's paperwork filled out and turned in for the DL position for Wolves. That way, YOU can control how the program is run.

After reading the 'Electric Company' article, turns out the kid in the pictures with the Bear hat and Tiger scarf - is a Wolf scout... I guess he was just splitting the difference?