RichardB

What would a poll of the readers here indicate if the question was: When was the last time you took BALOO or even read the instructor syllabus that was posted?

Cub Packs or Webelos / AOL Dens can organize Overnight activities, at council designated locations, with a BALOO trained leader. This is neither a new nor changed age appropriate requirement. It does appear that the intent of overnight, included in BALOO training: https://www.scouting.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/510-03318-BALOO_web_v2.pdf, on the Cub Scout Page: https://www.scouting.org/programs/cub-scouts/activities/cub-scout-camping/ has been clarified by this update. It's been in place decades. Councils can run longer Cub Scout camping following the National Camp Accreditation Standards. But units remain limited to overnight opportunities. Perhaps this is the source of confusion.

Not new. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/overnight

This is not a change in Scouting Barriers to Abuse. The requirement for an adult female leader 21+ for coed Venturing crews has been around for decades. Adult program participants came to Troops as part of the rollout of Scouts BSA where extra time could be applied for to obtain Eagle.

Does anyone have any comments about this councils efforts to prevent injury and illness via SAFE Checklist use?

@InquisitiveScouter not really anything I could comment on except to offer that the concept of SAFE and using checklists to prevent incidents is always the best way to not have to deal with injuries, claims and potential coverage issues. Prohibited Activity Safety Moment explains some of the whys: https://www.scouting.org/health-and-safety/safety-moments/unauthorized-restricted-activities/

The Sweet 16 has been phased out and simplified with SAFE https://www.scouting.org/health-and-safety/safe/ the checklist itself was not built because of Nolan's fall. However, this council's actions to complete this video training piece was influenced by the incident. However, supervision and knowing and following program guidance like Climb on Safely are all linked to the S, A, and even E in SAFE.

https://blog.scoutingmagazine.org/2023/02/14/lets-take-a-moment-to-watch-the-oregon-trail-councils-video-on-scouting-safely/ Thoughts on the council initiative to utilize the SAFE Checklist. https://www.scouting.org/health-and-safety/safe/

The council is responsible for day camps meeting standards, on or off property. That includes requirements for staff registration, qualification and training (day camp director, camp health officer, aquatics or shooting sports staff) , program, etc. Having it run by volunteers locally isn't an issue. Just pulling it together as a group of units is.

@Momleader it's not within your charter to partner with other units for a day camp. That is a function of the council. Suggest you partner with your council to facilitate the experience.

Suggest you all who are interested and engaged with your councils ask to review the September Stack Charts - Council Performance Standards available for your council / NST. They are published monthly and distributed via the NST's. The most recent was published for September 2022 and shows youth recruiting up 6.03% compared to September 2021. 938,771 youth recruited in 2022.

@Eagle94-A1 read thru the thread. Since the camp, council or specific course isn't identified that I can tell it would be most helpful for the unit or @InquisitiveScouter to report the incident to the council so that they can address it. Sounds like the council leadership is unaware outside the course directors.

@fred8033 comes closest to the pin on the reason that multiple units of different Chartered Organizations need council permission to hold events together in the name of Scouting. The charter granted is only for unit operation, not multiples.

@Eagle94-A1 Perhaps there are other options or motivations behind the incredible opportunity to keep youth (and adults) safe when doing the Scouting program. For those on this forum that continue to put folks at risk in the name of Scouting, please stop. As a reminder the current Scouting program which some of you proport on these forums to be chartered to operate: 1) has no option for youth only activities without adult supervision. https://www.scouting.org/health-and-safety/gss/gss01/#a 2) has limits by design: "Some activities considered by youth and leaders are not compatible with the Scouting program. Some have unacceptable risks that have been confirmed by serious or even fatal consequences. Others are not compatible with the Scout Oath and Scout Law. Source: https://www.scouting.org/health-and-safety/gss/gss07/#b 3) May no longer be compatible with what some on this forum did when they were youth or young adults for any number of reasons. https://www.scouting.org/health-and-safety/safety-moments/unauthorized-restricted-activities/ May you all have a happy thanksgiving holiday, maybe some time with your family or Scouts free from illness, injury and incident reporting requirements, or being called out on social media.

What does your Chartered Organization require? Otherwise, still relevent: https://blog.scoutingmagazine.org/2014/04/10/ask-the-expert-the-who-when-and-why-of-scout-permission-slips/

No longer published.

@RememberSchiff I was waiting for you to post this, you are a great news finder. However, thought I'd get the pulse of the list on this release from yesterday: https://www.scouts.ca/news-and-events/news/2021/09/scouts-canada-introduces-vaccination-requirement-for-all-members Link to the FAQ's at the bottom of the announcement. For those that have not seen it the BSA's current position can be found here: https://www.scouting.org/coronavirus/ "...We encourage everyone to consult with their physician and get vaccinated. It is our best hope for returning to normalcy in our Scouting family..." RichardB

https://www.scouting.org/health-and-safety/gss/gss02/#j if you reviewed Safety Afloat - #1 and #6 you will find the recommendation and the required skills training that this course could assist a leader in providing to the youth PRIOR to the float trip.

Winston Churchill has been credited with saying: “Never let a good crisis go to waste? ”

But it is also referenced in the GTSS. https://www.scouting.org/health-and-safety/gss/gss13/ (which is part of the program materials, and you agree to follow when you sign up as a leader). https://www.scouting.org/health-and-safety/gss/bsa-scouter-code-of-conduct/ Might also suggest review of communicable disease guidance for leaders which includes vectors: https://filestore.scouting.org/filestore/HealthSafety/pdf/680-103(18)_Prev_of_CommunicableDiseases.pdf

Strategies 1214057527_COVIDmitigation-layers.pdf

And yet when offered an opportunity to engage within the Service Territory structure (national) and be part of the solution moving forward look at the responses that followed.

@CynicalScouter You do have an answer that addresses both safety and program integrity. Not the one you wanted but an answer all the same. If you have other questions your appropriate point of contact is your local council youth protection champion or council staff / Scout Executive to address your particular concerns.

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