RichardB

Some appear to have been seduced by the dork side.

Okay, think I have the concept of a patrol outing when they organize plan and execute under patrol power (hike to farmer johnson's pasture). Getting confused if their parents or a driver is involved. Isn't that a little beyond just the patrol capabilites and competencies, so is that still a patrol outing or not? Wouldn't you want two deep leadership and a tranportation plan? Another example was given of aquatics, and since those program standards have in place qualified supervision (safe swim, safety afloat) how would you handle that in "today's" patrol?

Okay, so how do the members of the patrol get to the location of said outing? Does someone drive? Or when they hike / bike to location when does the actual event begin? Example the Night Owl patrol camps in the city park overnight. Or is the patrol outing, as NJCubScouter illustrates, an excursion away from the troop body on the trail or another example given to me at one time your patrol heads over to the other side of the reservation one night.

What is the definition of a patrol outing? Yes, Neal - just want to know what the perceptions vs. realities are here on the list as some see a patrol outing is that more than 300' from the SM, others see it as portrayed in Follow Me Boys. So looking for the list think of the patrol outing.(This message has been edited by RichardB)

Suggested reading: http://www.scouting.org/HealthandSafety/Resources/MedicalFormFAQs.aspx 12 calendar months.....

http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/HealthandSafety/ahmr.aspx should be the link you use. Richard

Yes. Why: Risk Factors: http://www.bsajamboree.org/BePrepared.aspx Process: http://www.bsajamboree.org/MedicalProcess.aspx Re: Process As the records are received by Medical Services, they will be reviewed and accepted or denied. If accepted, each individual will be notified by the Jamboree Department via e-mail. The denial process includes three levels of review by three separate physicians. At each level, the local council will be notified for contingent members and staff will be notified on an individual basis. After the third denial, the decision is final. The levels are as follows: First review by the chief medical officer (CMO) of the subcamp or the staff facility. Second review by the CMO over the region or the staff. Third and final review by the CMO of operations, the assistant CMO of the jamboree, and the jamboree CMO. Re: Sleep Apnea: Participants with sleeping disorders may experience health risks due to long days and short nights for the duration of the jamboree. Participants with sleep apnea requiring a CPAP machine should reconsider participation. If considered fit, all equipment (e.g., CPAP machine) must be provided by the participant and be self-contained as there will not be electrical support for the machine. This includes batteries (without provisions for recharging) to be both brought to and taken away from the jamboree (remember Leave No Trace guidelines).

The link posted is very out of date. Suggest a trip to your local scoutshop. Richard

http://www.bsajamboree.org/prepared.html Note the dates in the information as to when a physical exam should be conducted. July 27, 2009 is the early date. One year out from Jamboree. Every registrant to the Jamboree did acknowledge an understanding of this and the risk factors. Not a new requirement, just brought to your attention. http://www.bsajamboree.org/med_process.html will be updated periodically. Might want to remind your Jamboree staff and participants to bookmark it. Richard

http://www.scouting.org/sitecore/content/Home/HealthandSafety/Alerts/swineflu.aspx

I'll be happy to engage on any H&S Topics as point man (primary target) for the H&S Support Committee that you guys care to throw at me but not here. I just plan to continue to lurk here for now. Have an active forum and scouting safely group in the Scouting Community. http://community.scouting.org or you can get there via myscouting.org. You will need a valid membership # to play. Come on in and we can discuss what you've done lately to protect the people, property and environment of the BSA. Richard Bourlon, P.E., CSP Team Leader, Health and Safety PS: Flaming Marshmallows, aka Campfire Napalm is the lead for several program hazard analysis workshops we have put on (PTC H&S / RM) and will be doing at the National Meeting in 2009. Not to ban them but to educate adults to recognize, identify and resolve the hazards associated with them and let the youth fail if they need to in a safe environment.

Today is April 2nd. Yesterday was April 1st. The changes highlighted in the post are not going into effect. The unintended consequences of the posting (which was not found on www.scouting.org) have caused resources to be expended which could have been better served fulfilling the Mission of the Boy Scouts of America. Please don't pass it on, Richard R. Bourlon, P.E., CSP Team Leader, Health and Safety BOY SCOUTS OF AMERICA