RichardB

It's an award, it's not advancement and it is available to more than just those at the boy scout level. I guess you could assume that the boy scout program does include emergency prep, but have no idea what the rest of your point is trying to be. Don't want a pin, don't have to do the award.

When the emergency prep award was revised in 2014, it recognizes local training. Curious, if anyone has a unit or other group working on this. If not, why not. Should it go away? http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/HealthandSafety/New%20CategoryReference.aspx

Qwazse trying to use a apple when the recipie calls for an orange. http://www.scouting.org/sitecore/content/Home/HealthandSafety/TourPlanFAQ.aspx A checklist for Chartered Organization / Leadership that is planning a scouting event - kind of hard to certify when you know the activity is outside of scouting right? There is not a council approval, it is the unit leadership that certifies the plan is complete. So doing one when you no it's not an official scouting activity or the program of the BSA (Tiger den camping for this strings midlife renewal) doesn't make a lot of sense. My $0.02

Feel free to send me what that looks like in a PM or start a thread. What questions would you want answered, etc.

Not sure that I understand but the article is penned by the RM folks at the church, who can set standards for their program / members. Which they do.

http://www.ldsbsa.org/blog/safety-moment-outdoor-hazards-objective-subjective/ Has a couple of links to the Churches H&S website, I'd suggest reviewing the videos if you have not already done so. An interview with Sam the Cloud is probably my favorite. RichardB

That's not possible at this time, but you might want to touch base or support your councils ERM committee so that you can have some input.

Or you could share incident reviews: http://www.scouting.org/Home/HealthandSafety/incident_report.aspx Bottom of page - How to: http://www.scouting.org/filestore/HealthSafety/pdf/680-056_1.pdf Lightning: http://www.scouting.org/filestore/pdf/680-056_Lightning.pdf Highly recommend the LDS video of Sam the Cloud.....

Not so sure that it's that far of a stretch or absurd to question the ability to supervise an activity based on the information provided in this thread. Knowing what you don't know and asking the question is good, not knowing the limitations is outside the zone where reasonable folks would say sure go ahead you have qualified supervision in place. And if you don't know how the route reacts to various flow scenarios I'd just say lets find something else to do is prudent and smart. http://www.scouting.org/Home/HealthandSafety/incident_report.aspx down at the bottom has a couple of things you may want to review. Along with the first point of Safety Afloat. Qualified Supervision All activity afloat must be supervised by a mature and conscientious adult age 21 or older who understands and knowingly accepts responsibility for the wellbeing and safety of those in his or her care and who is trained in and committed to compliance with the nine points of BSA Safety Afloat. That supervisor must be skilled in the safe operation of the craft for the specific activity, knowledgeable in accident prevention, and prepared for emergency situations. If the adult with Safety Afloat training lacks the necessary boat operating and safety skills, then he or she may serve as the supervisor only if assisted by other adults, camp staff personnel, or professional tour guides who have the appropriate skills. Additional leadership is provided in ratios of one trained adult, staff member, or guide per 10 participants. For Cub Scouts, the leadership ratio is one trained adult, staff member, or guide per five participants. At least one leader must be trained in first aid including CPR. Any swimming done in conjunction with the activity afloat must be supervised in accordance with BSA Safe Swim Defense standards. It is strongly recommended that all units have at least one adult or older youth member currently trained in BSA Aquatics Supervision: Paddle Craft Safety to assist in the planning and conduct of all activities afloat.

If you have to ask the question on a forum you probably already know that its time to pull the plug on the trip. At least that's my experience.

Anyone providing first aid (including our youth and leaders) should protect themselves from blood or body fluids. It's a real risk to such things as HIV, Hepatitis and even things like Zika. In addition, there are legal concerns for staff (which may be volunteers or paid) including lifeguards who need extra training and education including compliance. BTW this is not a new section, been around long before 2007. We chose to include it here. An addition a couple of years ago if I remember correctly. Generally, both staff and volunteers who have questions find it in the GTSS vs. on the web. Answer enough questions about it that it is a concern and it really lays out how to "have a plan" to deal with local questions that arise. Hope that helps.

Has been discussed, leaning toward either 60" or 72"

Would be interested in any feedback as you use them, share them.

Been part of literature for over 10 years. Just new to you. Some tragic background, well before my time if you want to understand why. http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/face/stateface/or/03or020.html

An awesome update has been published for your reading pleasure. http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/HealthandSafety/GSS/toc.aspx Enjoy, RichardB

I guess too hard is relative, but agree this makes an excellent roundtable discussion. You can also find some simple tips in the Guide to Safe Scouting: http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/HealthandSafety/GSS/gss11.aspx#b

In case you hadn't seen this for use at your next gathering, includes a trailer section. http://www.scouting.org/filestore/HealthSafety/pdf/632-006_WB.pdf RichardB PS: publication actually suggests using media articles of incidents as a reference. PSS: Lives in state with 85 mph speed limits, there are design standards for such things.

To the original post, all things AHMR can be found at this one stop location. http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/HealthandSafety/ahmr.aspx Anything else is hearsay save for a few local camp / state requirements / nuances like CO who requires a specific immunization form. You will not find an alternative to the instructions listed at the top of Part C, anything you have read or been told to the contrary is incorrect. RichardB

Figure if nothing else the subject will get you to click the following link to a new Scouting Safely Alert: http://www.scouting.org/Home/HealthandSafety/Alerts/Drone_Safety.aspx RichardB PS: Not to be confused with long winded SMs or their snoring or excessively long threads on the forum.....

Can you collect a Beavah? Seriously, if planning an activity probably needs to have a discussion about risks and leadership needs. Sweet 16 of BSA Safety is a good checklist to walk thru.

RichardB just wants furry critter to not discount scope of his call for multiple approaches or the saves that happen daily when bad things are caught pre-participation...... Assures critters everywhere latest revision to AHMR started from the whys presented. Comments always appreciated for next revisions to AHMR (sometime post 2019 WSJ) RichardB PS: Health providers across America call for beaver pelts.

An observation if one were to use the 99% / 1% issue assumptions (and I'm not advocating that) - 22,507 youth would fall into that 1% in the traditional program. (Report to the Nation figures used). Also might want to review the first FAQ about the AHMR Q. Why does the BSA require all participants to have an Annual Health and Medical Record? A. The AMHR serves many purposes. Completing a health history promotes health awareness, collects necessary data, and provides medical professionals critical information needed to treat a patient in the event of an illness or injury. It also provides emergency contact information. Poor health and/or lack of awareness of risk factors have led to disabling injuries, illnesses, and even fatalities. Because we care about our participants' health and safety, the Boy Scouts of America has produced and required use of standardized annual health and medical information since at least the 1930s. The medical record is used to prepare for high-adventure activities and increased physical activity. In some cases, it is used to review participants' readiness for gatherings like the national Scout jamboree and other specialized activities. Because many states regulate the camping industry, the Annual Health and Medical Record also serves as a tool that enables councils to operate day and resident camps and adhere to BSA and state requirements. The Boys Scouts of America's Annual Health and Medical Record provides a standardized mechanism that can be used by members in all 50 states.

RichardB doesn't throw hissy fits often. And this isn't even close to the threshold. I do agree with other posters that this is not complete as there is a noise hazard to be addressed, especially if this is a two plus deep situation.

What is the expectation? Can't provide something that does not exist. See the above post.

I thought it was no good deed goes unpunished. Several comments answer the issue, which is maintaining the AHMR's for your unit on a year round basis. To the OP, once they are good for camp then you should be good to go for almost a year, by the time camp rolls around next year you will the guru of making this work. http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/HealthandSafety/Resources/MedicalFormFAQs.aspxis the FAQ's This one is called out as appropriate to the discussion: 5th FAQ Following are some of the best practices for using and storing the records: The Annual Health and Medical Record is secured to maintain the confidentiality of the information, yet at the same time, the forms should be accessible by adult leaders in an emergency. The following guidance will assist leaders in achieving this goal: Leaders are encouraged to maintain the original AHMR forms in a safe location in a binder or file that protects the documents entrusted to the unit leader. The AHMR should be taken on all activities. Designate a leader to keep the files containing the AHMR up to date. This may include reminding participants to update the AHMR annually or as needed.