RichardB

NJ, I don't know why the posts in this thread exist. Live and current FAQ's: http://www.scouting.org/sitecore/content/Home/HealthandSafety/TourPlanFAQ.aspx RichardB PS: Tour permits went away in 2011....the Tour Plan went away in 2012...Guess we have to wait and see what happens on the 1st. I still love this one....http://blog.scoutingmagazine.org/2013/04/01/blade-length/

Stosh, respectfully, The ARC has not taught a course on "behalf" of the BSA. The ARC teaches ARC courses. The current position of the BSA and its relationship to ARC is listed in the link above, that relationship affords councils, leaders the ability to become ARC instructors and to teach ARC courses at a discount, but following ARC criteria and standards. The ARC Wilderness and Remote First Aid Course can be offered by an ARC instructor so qualified. You may wish to contact your council training folks if you want to put together a course in your area, see if there are qualifed instructors available. RichardB

BSA does not teach WFA, it never has. The course curriculum has been adopted by both American Red Cross and ECSI. We have worked with both to build instructor capacity in local councils. ARC info: http://www.scouting.org/HealthandSafety/amredcross.aspx ECSI Info: http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/HealthandSafety/Training/ECSI.aspx To teach the course, one needs to be either an ARC or ECSI instructor. So, if you are an ARC instructor, add it on. And fundimentally, the WFA course helps those running trek and high adventure backcountry camps meet both BSA NCAP and American Camp Association Accreditation standards. It might be important to the understanding of the concept. RichardB

So, just so you know, there is no pilot for this It's something someone made up and called scouting. Trustworthy, not so much. Putting yourself, your district, your CO at risk. That's the reprocussions. Calling something scouting that isn't does a disservice to those running the program. Good luck with whatever that is being "run".

The html and pdf versions of the Guide to Safe Scouting are now updated and available for your use on www.scouting.org. Since you are excited to go review the updates, and will appreciate the positive, proactive guidance provided here is a direct link to the Table of Contents. http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/HealthandSafety/GSS/toc.aspx (are additional commentary added) The updates are: Front Matter: Scouter Code of Conduct added. II. Aquatics Safety: The Safety Afloat section was updated. (Whitewater - Class II or above for helmets - matching industry best practice) IV. Alcohol, Tobacco, and Drugs: The entire chapter was updated and renamed. (simplified, reference Scouter Code of Conduct) IX. Insurance: The Automobile Liability Insurance section was updated. (mostly due to updated auto coverages by councils, some wording for clarity) X. Transportation: The Automobiles, SUVs, and Vans section was updated. (simplified, removed exceptions that I believe have been debated on the forum) RichardB

So, still asking, what council and district the "pilot" is in. Would really like to know.

The staff advisors / course directors / owners select the faculty members. Those who are selected get a copy of the faculty guide with their request to register. RichardB

You folks are hilarious. So, @@Midwest Scouter Council and District or it doesn't count. Yeah and @, feel free to provide a source and I'll chat with them so that we can coordinate.......

Please discuss with the local Scout Executive, they can assist. If you need to point to some policy it would be integral into the barriers to abuse. http://www.scouting.org/Training/YouthProtection.aspx

For those that ignore the program, policies, etc. of the BSA in relation to fundraising. I'd point you to the Scouter Code of Conduct, specifically 5A. http://www.scouting.org/filestore/HealthSafety/pdf/Scouter_Code_of_Conduct.pdf

I was confused as well and since hunting is not part of the Boy Scout program I was really confused. Some councils do have organized hunting and sell trespass licenses on their properties.

Let it go, it has been terminated with prejudice. It was so, 2009. RichardB

Couple more thoughts on some published material. http://blog.scoutingmagazine.org/2014/06/03/on-national-cpr-and-aed-awareness-week-share-your-lifesaving-story/ includes a link to a story about Jose, his story could be an example of several folks. He is one active scouter. http://www.scouting.org/filestore/pdf/680-056_Cardiac.pdf is one of the published incident reviews. If you have ideas, you might pitch them to a manufacturer, Heartsine is the lightweight of the manufacturers. Not sure it would be an option in the US market due to regulation and oversight.

@@qwazse, I've talked with a couple of folks that have carried AED's. Some on a temporary basis to address a unit member who was awaiting a permanent install, others because members had a history. I think you have most of the key points that need to be addressed. They are not multi-purpose devices, they are medical devices built for solving a particular problem that kills around 325,000 folks a year. If you have folks in a high risk category then it makes a lot of sense to get them to a hospital with a chance of survival.

@@CNYScouter the problem is the program has not been changed in years. The local execution may have changed, the local knowledge may have changed, it appears maybe even evolved to follow the standards, but the BB gun program of the BSA has been stable. Huffington post recently put out an article titled "Bernie Sanders Could Replace President Trump With Little-Known Loophole". It's a great article, has a couple relevant tips.

Well, hate to derail the thread on one topic. But as to driving, something to ponder: http://blog.scoutingmagazine.org/2014/01/22/ask-the-expert-can-scouts-venturers-drive-themselves-tofrom-events/

example - area conclave, OA meeting, board. The Area is a subset of the Region. Council, Area, Region is hierarchy.

To the best of my knowledge So what is interesting to me is that if you have "certified" or trained adults how could they not have known? Really, really want to understand your situation. Now the program material / publication you linked is a new one, however you could go back to the shooting sports manual and the cub scouts shooting sports manual (out of print - superceeded) before that http://www.scouting.org/Home/OutdoorProgram/ShootingSports.aspx. I'm thinking at least 20 years back where this has been the case. Richard

A publicly facing website http://www.scouting.org/Home/HealthandSafety.aspx

http://www.scouting.org/Home/HealthandSafety/Alerts/BePrepared_Active_Shooter_Resources.aspx is a recent update to Scouting Safely. http://www.scouting.org/sitecore/content/Home/HealthandSafety.aspx Perhaps you can work it into your Emergency Preparation planning, programs. RichardB

Actually hadn't heard this one.

Couple of thoughts you might consider - what does a lay responder vs. an EMT have as a standard of care, duty to respond? One should teach to ones FA credentials as well, adding is not teaching the course. Just a couple of thoughts.

This is a worthwhile exercise.

I’m collecting for a safety moment. http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/HealthandSafety/Safety_Moments.aspx (couple of new ones recently posted) Feel free to discuss or send to me as a message if you like. RichardB

To the best of my knowledge there has never been a "ban" on white gas / Coleman fuel, back at least 10 years, circa 2006.