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Old school - Leadership Development method, give this problem to your PLC to solve and guide them. They might look at a map and find there is an ocean to the east or they might google and find nearby state parks (though summer is ending) https://www.state.nj.us/dep/parksandforests/parks/swimming_schedule.html or they might contact council or nearby councils (Jersey Shore?) and reserve time at camp lake ... My $0.02,

Judge Laurie Selber Silverstein declined Monday to approve a proposed order submitted by the Boy Scouts to restrict the ads, saying it was “incredibly broad” and raised concerns about First Amendment issues. “I need to understand how I can prohibit this type of speech,” said the judge. She continued the hearing until Sept. 9 and will accept additional submissions from attorneys through Friday. Among other things, Silverstein wondered whether she would have the authority to require attorneys to include information about the official claims website and telephone number in their advertisements. “I’m not downplaying the significance of the concerns, but of course that’s juxtaposed against the rights of attorneys to advertise,” she said. ... Silverstein also expressed skepticism that the Boy Scouts were trying to squelch claims. She pointed to concerns that the law firm ads direct people to phone numbers and websites other than those for the official claims agent. https://www.reuters.com/article/bankruptcy-boy-scouts/bankruptcy-judge-skeptical-boy-scouts-effort-to-curtail-ads-to-abuse-victims-idUSL1N2FX2E5 More details at this link: http://www.wboc.com/story/42572088/attorneys-argue-over-ads-targeting-boy-scouts-abuse-victims

I would have thought the appraisals of National's HA camps would have been completed by now. After two months, it appears that they have not begun? Meanwhile, councils submitted their assets lists in early July.

Update: 8/31/2020 NOTICE OF APPRAISER H&LA’S (I) REVISED ENGAGEMENT LETTER FOR SUMMIT BECHTEL RESERVE AND (II) NEW ENGAGEMENT LETTER FOR PHILMONT SCOUT RANCH H&LA’s assignment for Summit Bechtel Reserve is expanded to include certain additional property holdings in close proximity to Summit Bechtel Reserve, including, but not limited to, those certain parcels of real property known as Bridgeview, Teay’s Landing, Craig’s Ranch, Cunard, Stone Cliff, First Destination Park, Glen Jean Properties, Terry Beach, and Sandstone; JFW Ranch Consulting has withdrawn its services as Appraiser for the Philmont Scout Ranch in Colfax County, New Mexico, and its retainer has been refunded to the Debtors the Debtors and H&LA have agreed that H&LA will serve as the Appraiser for the Philmont Scout Ranch the revised engagement letter for H&LA’s assignment for Summit Bechtel Reserve (the “Revised H&LA Summit Engagement Letter”) is attached hereto as Exhibit A. for the convenience of the Court and all interested parties, a redline comparing the Revised H&LA Summit Engagement Letter against the version appended to the Appraiser Retention Order is attached hereto as Exhibit B. a copy of the H&LA Philmont Scout Ranch Engagement Letter is attached hereto as Exhibit C fee increases https://casedocs.omniagentsolutions.com/cmsvol2/pub_47373/843884_1204.pdf

@sw1928 on behalf on the moderators of scouter.com, welcome.

IMHO, ownership of one BSA trademark might stem the drain of girls to Boy Scouts and if not, the GSUSA would have license revenue from that drain and more.

Agree, but there are other assets. What if the GSUSA wins their trademark infringement case and instead of the monetary damages (we might not have), they settle for the transfer of some BSA trademarks (we do have)?

Congratulation and thanks for the good news!

Our "council" camp is in fact not owned by council, just managed. A wise decision done years ago not because of lawsuits but for fear council would sell it. I expect our camp will become a totally separate business. Now whether the camp will run summer camp itself or contract with a scout council is a good question. I suspect the former.

I like this guy. I like my 1959 edition and reference it often. Hopefully others with more extensive collections will advise.

@mtlangst on behalf of the moderators of scouter.com, welcome.

How to measure success of the BSA... worthy of a topic of its own.

Has anyone here updated a Wikipedia article? I nominate David to update

I moved Lone Scouting posts to a new topic. RS

Debtor (BSA National) seeks Order to assume unexpired leases of nonresidential properties and fix the “Cure Amounts”. https://casedocs.omniagentsolutions.com/cmsvol2/pub_47373/842937_1168.pdf Some Excerpts: 8. The BSA is a party to numerous agreements that may constitute leases of nonresidential real property (collectively, the “Unexpired Leases”). The Unexpired Leases pertain to various properties, including forty-nine (49) Scout Shops located across the United States (The leases for many of the Scout Shop locations have expired under their terms, and the BSA and local council counterparties are continuing to operate on the same terms provided for under the expired lease ); the Summit Bechtel Family National Scout Reserve located in the New River Gorge area of West Virginia (the “Summit”); and a warehouse located in Charlotte, North Carolina: Scout Shops: A significant portion of the BSA’s annual revenue comes from retail merchandise and product sales at approximately Scout Shops located across the United States. As of the Petition Date, these sales generated approximately $120 million in total annual revenue. Numerous local councils support these national sales efforts by designating a portion of their office space as a Scout Shop pursuant to lease agreements with the BSA. The Scout Shops are locations where the BSA sells uniforms, apparel, camping equipment, and other merchandise directly to BSA members. In return for the lease of local councils’ office space, the BSA remits monthly rent payments to such local councils based on a percentage of sales. This payment is calculated as eight percent (8%) of net sales at the Scout Shop location, plus an additional five percent (5%) escalator on annual sales that exceed $750,000 at such location. Summit Bechtel Family National Scout Reserve: The Summit is a 14,000-acre high adventure facility located in the New River Gorge area of West Virginia. The real property and improvements of the Summit are owned by one of the BSA’s wholly owned subsidiaries, Arrow WV, Inc., and leased to the BSA under that certain Shared Services Agreement and Lease of Premises, dated as of February 13, 2017. Under that agreement, the BSA also provides the necessary services required to operate the Summit. Overflow Warehouse: The BSA subleases nearly 50,000 square feet of warehouse space in Charlotte, North Carolina from MXD Group, Inc. under the terms of a sublease dated May 8, 2017. The BSA uses these premises as an overflow warehouse for the BSA-owned National Distribution Center, which is also located in Charlotte. MXD Group, Inc. is the lessee under a master lease agreement with CK Ridge Creek West III, LLC, dated August 1, 2016. 9. The Debtors have strategically reviewed the Unexpired Leases in connection with their efforts to maximize the value of their estates in these chapter 11 cases. As a result, the Debtors have identified the Assumed Leases, which will continue to provide meaningful value to their estates and ongoing operations. (The BSA is in the process of seeking a further extension of the period within which it may assume or reject certain Assumed Leases beyond the September 15, 2020 deadline set forth in the Extension Order. If one or more Assumed Lease counterparties agrees to grant such an extension, the BSA will file a certification of counsel with the Court for entry of an order approving the extension in accordance with section 365(d)(4)(B)(ii) of the Bankruptcy Code and remove the relevant Assumed Lease from Schedule 1 to the Proposed Order.) Schedule 1 on page 17 of above link lists 51 Unexpired Leases of Nonresidential Real property and Cure Amounts. Will the Debtors BSA assume subsidiary Arrow WV's lease of Summit Bechtel to the BSA? Maybe @Jameson76 can explain. Update 9/11/20: Orders in this matter ORDER (I) AUTHORIZING THE DEBTORS TO ASSUME CERTAIN UNEXPIRED LEASES OF NONRESIDENTIAL REAL PROPERTY PURSUANT TO SECTION 365 OF THE BANKRUPTCY CODE AND (II) FIXING CURE AMOUNTS WITH RESPECT THERETO https://casedocs.omniagentsolutions.com/cmsvol2/pub_47373/848090_1310.pdf ORDER APPROVING STIPULATIONS EXTENDING DEADLINE TO ASSUME OR REJECT CERTAIN UNEXPIRED LEASES... https://casedocs.omniagentsolutions.com/cmsvol2/pub_47373/848097_1311.pdf

Insurers respond... CENTURY AND HARTFORD’S MOTION TO COMPEL THE ATTORNEYS REPRESENTING THE ENTITY CALLING ITSELF THE “COALITION” TO SUBMIT THE DISCLOSURES REQUIRED BY FEDERAL RULE OF BANKRUPTCY PROCEDURE 2019 https://casedocs.omniagentsolutions.com/cmsvol2/pub_47373/842905_1164.pdf 42 pages Century and Hartford Argument Points: RULE 2019 REQUIRES ANY ATTORNEY WHO REPRESENTS MORE THAN ONE CLIENT TO SUPPLY, AMONG OTHER THINGS,THE IDENTITY OF EVERY CLIENT HE OR SHE REPRESENTS THE COALITION’S 2019 DISCLOSURES ARE DEFICIENT THIS COURT SHOULD ORDER CLAIMANTS’ COUNSEL TO COMPLY WITH RULE 2019 OR, IN THE ALTERNATIVE,BAR THEM FROM PARTICIPATING IN THE BANKRUPTCY

Update: 8/26/20 Sentencing was postponed due to alleged jury misconduct and potential new evidence. four jurors — two deliberating and two alternates — alleged in sworn statements that they discussed the case among themselves before deliberations had begun. two motorists who witnessed the crash say the Scouts were walking in the roadway and not on the shoulder of the road before the crash. State Supreme Court Justice Fernando Camacho Camacho has delayed sentencing and scheduled a hearing for mid-Sept. more at source link: https://www.newsday.com/long-island/crime/boy-scouts-killed-murphy-dwi-crash-1.48596960

Not to forget those who were first to step in line... I am concerned that National will do something similar with camps - an essential camp list presented to court sorted by 2020 attendance figures and capacity...look at all these local council camps with low attendance and capacity, sell them first! What about member feedback, program, cost, and convenience? Oh, "Due to the rapidly changing impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on councils and their camps across the country, the BSA is accelerating the annual timeline for councils to submit their “Intent to Operate” for the 2021 long-term camp season. The 2021 Intent to Operate for long-term camps and council properties due date is now September 30, 2020. Per each council’s Authorization to Operate, and as required by NCAP standard AO-802, each council must file an annual “Intent to Operate”. An Intent to Operate must be submitted for the following properties and programs: " Be sure to list your camp's past attendance figures. https://www.scouting.org/outdoor-programs/camp-accreditation/ ...the GSUSA trademark attorneys who are now looking for $6M, and ... non-sexual injury lawsuits, ... Another $0.02, $0.01

What I found from wiki. Membership numbers are fuzzy but @David CO seems correct. Lone Scouts of America (LSA) was a Scouting organization for American boys that operated from 1915 until it merged with the Boy Scouts of America (BSA) in 1924. The LSA was founded by W. D. Boyce, publisher of the Chicago Ledger and the Saturday Blade and one of the founders of the BSA. Boyce felt that the program of the BSA did not help the rural boy who could not find enough other boys to form a troop or a patrol. James E. West, the first Chief Scout Executive of the BSA, disagreed with Boyce's concept, believing that the 4-H program was fulfilling the role. After Boyce left the BSA, he started the Lone Scouts of America and incorporated it on January 9, 1915. Boyce became the executive officer or Chief Totem and Frank Allan Morgan became the editor of The Lone Scout. In October 1915, Boyce appointed all of his paperboys as members of the LSA and published the first issue of The Lone Scout magazine. The LSA program was inspired by the Lonecraft program of the British Boy Scout Association and by Ernest Thompson Seton's Woodcraft Indians program that used American Indian themes.[1] No adult leaders were required in the Lone Scout program, and there were no age limits. By November 1915, over 30,000 members were reported. Lone Scouts who lived near each other could form a "local tribe", while others could form a "mail tribe" and communicate by post. Tribes could join together to form "wigwams". Tribes elected officers such as chief (president, initially called captain), sachem (vice-president), scribe (secretary) and wampum-bearer (treasurer). By October 1916, the LSA reported 133,000 members. By popular demand, a uniform was created in 1917 and the Lone Scout Supply Company was formed In April 1924, Boyce finally accepted James West's persistent offer of a merger with the BSA. On June 16, 1924 the merger was formalized. When The Lone Scout ceased publication, many of the boys dropped out of Scouting entirely. About 65,000 Lone Scouts transferred to the BSA, and membership peaked at 108,000 in 1926. The BSA ran the program unchanged for about a decade as the Lone Scout Service and then the Lone Scout Division. The unique program features were then eliminated and the Lone Scouts transitioned to the standard Boy Scout program. Lone Cub Scouts were added after the Cub Scouting program was introduced in 1930. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lone_Scouts_of_America

The Coalition of Abused Scouts for Justice (the “Coalition”), by its undersigned counsel, hereby submits this motion requesting permission to appear and be included as a Mediation Party in the Court-ordered mediation. … 2. The Coalition presently comprises more than 12,000 Members, each of which is a sexual abuse victim holding claims against Debtor Boy Scouts of America, among other parties… 3.The Coalition’s 12,000 Members – and growing – constitute a large majority of known tort claimants against the Debtors.4 The Coalition was formed to ensure that its Members’ interests are adequately and vigorously represented in these Chapter 11 Cases. No Member of the Coalition is a member of the Official Committee of Tort Claimants (“TCC”). 4.The Coalition has been made aware that the mediation is now progressing under the supervision of the Court-appointed Mediators, and the Mediation Parties (as defined in the Mediation Order) have submitted confidential mediation position statements and other documents to the Mediators. The Coalition’s foremost priority, after its formation, was to become a Mediation Party and play an active and constructive role toward a mediated resolution of their claims in these cases. 5.Accordingly, shortly after the Coalition’s formation, on July 24, 2020 Coalition Counsel wrote to the Honorable Kevin Carey (Ret.), Paul Finn and Timothy Gallagher (collectively, the “Mediators”) requesting that the Coalition be permitted to participate as a Mediation Party. … 6.Last week, the Coalition contacted representatives of each Mediation Party seeking their consent to the Coalition joining the Mediation as a Mediation Party, and if necessary, consenting to shortened notice for the relief sought herein. Each of the Mediation Parties, except the TCC, again either consented or did not communicate to us any objection to the Coalition’s request. Argument 10. Given the Coalition’s substantial and growing membership, it is a crucial party to any effort to reach a global resolution in these bankruptcy cases. Simply put, the Coalition Members likely have, and will continue to have, the voting power to cause any class of sexual abuse claimants to accept or reject a chapter 11 plan, which may also contain non-debtor releases as a condition to a non-debtor’s significant contribution to the estates. 11.Mediation in general prevents the undue delay and excessive costs in connection with litigation and adversary proceedings related to claim validity. The Coalition seeks to participate in the Mediation to work towards a satisfactory resolution in a constructive manner that recognizes the voice of a multitude of sexual abuse claimants as part of the mediation/negotiation process. (a) No Mediation could be fair and equitable without the full participation of the Coalition. 12.A settlement plan may only be confirmed when the Court holds that the plan is a fair and equitable distribution of the Debtors’ assets. … 13. If a critical party, such as this Coalition comprised of over 12,000 individual tort creditors, is excluded from meaningful participation in the settlement process, the plan may be fatally crippled from the get-go and not be considered fair and equitable… 14. A mediation involving all of the key parties will also allow the parties to engage more freely in “creative thinking about the allocation of the Debtors’ assets.” ...While the TCC certainly has a fiduciary duty to all sexual abuse victims (whether with filed civil actions or not, and whether from states presently with statute of limitations open windows or not), the sexual abuse victims are entitled to seek their own representative counsel. They have done so here with the formation of the Coalition by and through their Representatives. ... full motion: https://casedocs.omniagentsolutions.com/cmsvol2/pub_47373/842768_1161.pdf

Consider one John Pleasants. He’s been collecting various items for decades now, ever since he attended the 1969 National Jamboree in Idaho as a scout himself with North Carolina’s Occoneechee Council Troop 7. ... Take the short-lived Order of the Arrow Calusa Lodge 219 in Bradenton, Florida — Pleasants secured one of those coveted patches around the same time he and his wife, Jenny, were getting married. “It paid for my honeymoon,” he said. ... He has a database of 3,000 people he’s traded with, and he created (and currently sells) the Patch Protection System, a waterproof slipcover design for storing patches in binders. But it’s never been just about the money or the collecting, Pleasants said — most of all, he cares about the history. “I’m much less concerned about keeping it than making sure it goes to somebody that sees it,” he said. “The problem with Scout memorabilia, and the reason I spend so much time trying to dig it up, is not that it’s going to another collector — it’s going into the trash dump. We always say the best scouting museum is the landfill.” More at source link: https://www.chathamnewsrecord.com/stories/decades-on-john-pleasants-is-still-digging-collecting-boy-scouts-memorabilia,6459

"Attorneys say Boy Scouts is trying to limit abuse survivors from coming forward by curbing ads" https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2020/08/25/boy-scouts-bankruptcy-attorneys-say-bsa-trying-curb-survivors-coming-forward/3439251001/

Motion for Supplemental Order will be considered at a hearing scheduled for Aug 31, 2020 11am. https://casedocs.omniagentsolutions.com/cmsvol2/pub_47373/842228_1148.pdf

I have two more episodes to go. I was not aware there was a USA Eagle Scouts team competing. https://blog.scoutingmagazine.org/2020/08/14/team-eagle-scouts-to-compete-on-amazons-eco-challenge-hosted-by-bear-grylls/ Perhaps I was too focused on the old guys competing - Team Endure and Team Stray Dogs,, especially Mark Macy

Well said.