RememberSchiff

Imagine the Tour Permit for this! http://www.army.mil/article/94295/Boy_Scouts_visit_Soldiers_in_Kuwait/ I.O.U. $0.02

That is one sad story.

This thread has baffled me as, there are already laws in nearly all states restricting firearms in schools. States Prohibiting or Restricting (meaning you need further written authorization) Concealed Weapons Permit/License Holders from Carrying on Elementary and Secondary School Property: 41 states and D.C.. State with laws for insufficiently licensed or random carry on school grounds 48 states and D.C. http://smartgunlaws.org/guns-in-schools-policy-summary/#footnote_82_5686

Doesn't seem small - 5,000 porta-potties! News story link about porta-potties at 2008 Inauguration. As I understand, Don's Johns also supplied the A.P. Hill Jambos.

Often, but not always, that is why we have an appeal process to a higher authority in this country. We cannot wait for an election, retirement, or death in hopes that our rights will eventually be restored. That said, the appeal process needs to be quicker. Only Microsoft tops the government in dragging out the legal process. As I understand, one of more interesting outcomes of Guillory vs Orange County (Gates) decided by US District Appeals Court was that CCW applicants have the right to question the sheriff regarding permits issued to other people. So in California, you are allowed to find out why the elected official (e.g. Senator Feinstein) got a permit, so you can claim that your "Good Cause" is as good as his/hers. BTW, this appeal took over 10 years, Guillory won but, as I understand, did not get a CCW and left California. Another $0.02

Rick. Yes we are losing the principle that we are a nation of laws. The law is ignored or fabricated arbitrarily by powerful men (big guns), equal justice under the law is disappearing. ATF, the Justice Dept, and Operation Fast and Furious are but one example. I imagine if the Lone Ranger rode through your town, he would be similarly harassed by the local law. "Ke-mo sah-bee, Sheriff have sickness in head, cannot fix with medicine." But he or more likely Tonto would fix it, in short order. Standing up for our rights is fading too... My $0.02

Probably, but didn't Mike Rowe do an episode or two about port-a-potties?

"On Monday, January 21 approximately 750 Scouts from National Capital Area Council will participate in the 57th Presidential Inauguration, continuing a tradition that reaches back to President Woodrow Wilson." Scouts will serve as ADA volunteers, Inside Line Management volunteers, Magnetometer ADA volunteers,... More info here http://boyscouts-ncac.doubleknot.com/newsfeed/national-capital-area-council-scouts-participate-in-the-57th-presidential-inauguration/8808

Maybe private sales/transfers are ending, everything goes through a FFL which can cost $25-40 per transaction. So will only police and criminals be using high capacity mags marked LEO (Law Enforcement Only)? As a logistical and political matter, I wonder if the 10 round restriction will extend to police as well? Will the government buy back mags over 10 rounds or pay for rework. Good mags can be $30-50 and hard to find for some model handguns (e.g. Para). I thought the "research" was about video games and movie violence? I read the penalties for straw purchase will increase. Recall Ms DimBulb in the Westport,NY fireman shooting bought firearms for her neighbor, a convicted murderer. Under the Gun Control Act of 1968, straw purchases are currently felonies for both the straw purchaser (who can be charged with lying on Federal Form 4473) and the actual possessor, punishable by a $250,000 fine and 10 years in prison. Some states have similar laws. As I understand Ms. Dimbulb has been charged in both federal and state courts and remains free (that has to change). Due out Tuesday.

Maybe my assailant has a nickel-plated, pearl-handled Colt .45 and all I have is a Bushmaster, so what. Am I a bigot... I dunno. I suppose you could be considered a bigot if you berated your assailant by saying something non-PC like "Only a pimp in a New Orleans whorehouse or a tin-horn gambler would carry a pearl-handled pistol."

8 round clip for Garand, 5 round for 03.

Help is where you find it, I guess. Has anyone gone through this program? "Autism Empowerment (this is not a BSA leadership program) and their Autism and Scouting Leadership Training Program is one of just sixteen national non-profit recipients (and the only Northwest based honoree) of a 2012 Family Services Community Grant from Autism Speaks. The awards were announced in late December 2012 and Autism Empowerment will be receiving their grant award check in January 2013. http://www.autismspeaks.org/family-services/grants/community-grants/community-grants-2012 (see list here) Based out of Vancouver, WA and serving locally, nationally and worldwide, Autism Empowerments Autism and Scouting Leadership Training program works to train leaders about Autism, Aspergers and inclusiveness within a variety of scouting venues including but not limited to Girl Scouts, Boy Scouts, Royal Rangers, American Heritage Girls, Sea Scouts, Campfire Girls, Impact Girls and Geek Scouts. They currently educate through online and in-person training as well as through their podcasts at Autism and Scouting Radio and Autism Empowerment Radio. The grant is being used to expand the Autism and Scouting Program to provide advanced written, audio and video training to units throughout the United States. It will utilize a variety of visual and strategic tools to assist leaders in working more effectively with scouts (ages 5 - 24) with autism and their families." ... Much more info here http://autismandscouting.blogspot.com/2013/01/autism-empowerment-receives-25000-grant.html http://www.autismspeaks.org/family-services/grants/autism-empowerments-autism-and-scouting-leadership-training-program

I wonder... if more councils will pass similar "approved" Eagle applications along to National? if similar Eagle candidates will state on their college or job applications "Completed Eagle Scout requirements and recommended for Eagle by HisCouncilName Council.", omitting that National rejected them.?? (This message has been edited by RememberSchiff)

Taking local option? "The Mount Diablo-Silverado Boy Scout Council is "directly challenging" the national organization's ban on gay Scouts and leaders and will recommend Andresen attain Eagle, Reuters reported today. The recommendation on the application was forwarded to the national organization for review." ... But according to national BSA spokesman Deron Smith, neither the local nor national council has given the final approval of the award to Andresen. "The Eagle application was forwarded, by a volunteer, to the local council but it was not approved because this young man proactively stated that he does not agree to Scouting's principle of 'duty of God' and does not meet Scouting's membership requirements," he said in a statement last fall. "Therefore, he is not eligible to receive the rank of Eagle." ... AT &T CEO Randall Stephenson, an executive board member of the Boy Scouts of America, has said he was committed to ending the ban. He takes over as president in 2014. " http://abcnews.go.com/Health/gay-teens-application-eagle-scout-award-approved-local/story?id=18162106#.UOynB4Y_k3o

Now this is what I want to read and watch. What started out as a hike to Cadillac Mountain to watch the first sunrise of 2013 turned into a test of all their boy scout lessons. A 19-year old girl visiting from Florida along with a friend started the trek to the top, but lacked the proper attire and footwear. The gusty winds and wind chill dropped temperatures to single digits and caused her to be unable to move. Her friend called 9-1-1, but it was the group of scouts jumping into action that helped her until emergency responders arrived..." read rest and watch video here http://www.wcsh6.com/news/article/226729/2/Boy-Scouts-help-in-Acadia-rescue Scout salute to Troop 102.

Doug Smith directed BSA National's task force to protect children from sexual abuse. In 2005, he pleaded guilty to possession and distribution of child pornography (over 500 images on his PC, as I recall it was a joint German and US investigation). He faced 5-20 years, but 8 years later he is out, but stay tuned for the surprise! 2005 news article: Boy Scout official pleads guilty to child porn http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7326932/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/boy-scout-official-pleads-guilty-child-porn/#.UOYAc4ZC2Zo 2013 news article: Former Scout Safety Director Freed from Prison http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/former-boy-scouts-safety-director-freed-federal-prison-194230269.html "According to a videotaped court deposition he gave while in prison, Smith said that he submitted his retirement letter as soon as his house was raided in 2005, making him eligible for the Boy Scouts pension and medical benefits. ... An attorney familiar with employment laws said denying Smiths pension and benefits would violate the federal Employee Retirement Income Security Act. They (government) are very strict in protecting employee rights to what has been paid in, said Rogge Dunn, a veteran Dallas attorney. Having committed certain crimes is one of those things that the statute doesnt address, but should probably be addressed in the future. ... The Scouts acknowledged that Smith is likely the only person on their so-called perversion files who is also still on the payroll. The Boy Scouts are going to pay a convicted felon a full retirement, but not reimburse people who have been abused at the hands of their Scout leaders? said Buckland, who cannot sue for his 1984 abuse because of California's strict statute of limitations for filing. His lawyer is still negotiating reimbursement for years of therapy." Incredible.(This message has been edited by RememberSchiff)

Good point and in keeping with a free market, how many insurers would offer liability coverage for intentional or criminal acts by the policyholder? How many do now?(This message has been edited by RememberSchiff)

Good story about a father and son working together in scouting to grow his son into a successful adult. Currently his son is working on his Eagle project. What I liked about the article was it focused on the growth of the boy through scouting and not the Eagle award. His son is on the autism spectrum with a hyperlexia trait. Hyperlexia is enhanced and early reading (decoding words) but usually accompanied with comprehension issues. http://www.neagle.com/article/20121227/NEWS/121229903(This message has been edited by RememberSchiff)

There is a report now that Spengler obtained the firearms through a neighbor and perhaps her daughter. Seems a straw-man purchase (which are illegal) and not a theft but we know more soon. This information Spengler left behind in a three page note. ATF stated they were doing a trace on these firearms. http://www.democratandchronicle.com/article/20121227/NEWS01/312270039/William-Spengler-Jr-guns-Webster-firefighter-shootings-fire?nclick_check=1(This message has been edited by RememberSchiff)

Sorry our rights don't require liability insurance, not even freedom of speech.

My Browning semi-automatic (made in Belgium) has a 5 shot magazine In this discussion, that magazine tube would be not be considered a magazine even if it held 8+ rounds like a tactical semi-auto shotgun. A magazine here is detachable, large capacity ( some say more than 5 rounds, some say more than 10 rounds), and quick detach/attach. But are tactical semi-auto shotguns considered assault weapons? Maybe if they have a pistol grip or a folding or telescoping stock... Make sense? Not to me either. I use a tactical pump shotgun for home defense, not much different, if different at all, from what the Army uses. Well I alternate my rounds (buckshot, slug). My shotgun is securely stored for quick authorized access. My $0.01

Maybe that is why I like working with youngsters. My (stolen) old jokes are new to them. Now if they would only laugh. Besides, I felt the need to counter-balance skeptic's joke on Democrats. My $0.01

In 1904, Republican presidential candidate Theodore Roosevelt was addressing a rally when he was interrupted by a drunk who yelled, I am a Democrat! When Roosevelt asked why, the man replied, Because my grandfather was a Democrat and my father was a Democrat. Mr. Roosevelt patiently nodded and said to the man, Let me ask you, sir. If your grandfather had been a jackass and your father had been a jackass, what would you be? A Republican! the drunk shot back.

Feinstein has supported JROTC over the years even when that program had anti-gay issues. "This program is an alternative to the sports teams, band or debate team that other students may choose as their extracurricular activity, and allows its members to gain the self-confidence and discipline needed for their future endeavors." Go figure. Back to the original question: Should we remove all shooting from Scouting? Well we pretty much have. There is more talking than shooting. How many rounds will a scout shoot at camp in a week - 50? Bring back the marksmanship level of shooting. Remember when it was called Marksmanship? Shoot for score in prone, sitting, offhand. Show scouts the difference between video game shooting and real shooting - sight picture focus, breathing, trigger squeeze,.. As mentioned the caliber restrictions are idiotic. My son shot 22 at 7, did CMP (223, 30-06) at 14 but outside of scouting. Many of their friends hunt also outside of scouting. Make it more fun, add a little "Top Shot" to it. My $0.02

ATF current leadership and budget situation are more a result of their irresponsible gun walking operation, Fast and Furious and their (and Dept of Justice) lack of cooperation with subsequent Congressional investigations. ATF Acting Director Melson was demoted in 2011, ATF Deputy Director Hoover resigned in 2012, four senior ATF supervisors recommended for removal - all due to FF. Current Acting ATF Director Todd Jones is a part-timer! Seriously, he also works as a U.S. attorney in Minnesota. ATF's recent changes to form 4473 drew head-scratching and some cries of racism. Question 10a Ethnicity asks you to check either Hispanic or Latino Not Hispanic or Latino Question 10b then asks your race. Why? Another $0.02,(This message has been edited by RememberSchiff)