RememberSchiff

Back in the day...scout skills were taught and learned in a logical sequence. A scout passed 2nd class cooking and earned 2nd class rank then and only then could he work on the more challenging 1st class cooking. And before starting Cooking MB, he had to be First Class scout. Common sense. Cooking MB requirements and revisions from 50's to 60's. Keep It Simple Scout. http://www.boyscoutimages.com/item/Cookin-F/Cooking-1961-68

Year round public schooling here is growing but only for those students - who have IEP's which require it. - who are below grade achievement levels as determined by assessment tests. Both take a week break here or there for camp or family vacation. Year round work for adults is a bigger issue. Less vacation time and less certainty in scheduling it.

High school graduation requirements are less daunting.

Surbaugh makes the point that there was confusion who the IT customers were. I think that confusion still remains in this roadmap. Where are we going with this? - Mobile devices? seems only iOS. Is National mandating internet access at camps and other venues and providing smartphones to staff? - Easier? Why haven't we been asked what would make life easier. Where are the requirements docs FROM different users? Are we trading too much paperwork or even more computerwork? Shades of Troopmaster! Seems everyone National, Council, Advancement Chairman, SM, PL, scout, and his parents are tracking a scout's advancement. Why? - Priorities? - Budget? How about spending less money and downsizing IT as an upfront goal? The larger problem are existing BSA business rules and policies. - Centralized control of data and resources? Do we have to go through National to register for council camp? - Multiple position/unit registrations for a single member should go bye-bye. A volunteer registers just once with BSA. - Rechartering should be streamlined. - What is Council role down this new road? ("Ability to update the most recent approved merit badge counselor list" - now that was funny) - What information do we need to track? Seems National want to track ALL information. Do I/we need service hours or advancement tracked nationally? - Who to contact? Problem tracking visible to all users? Follow-through. Ever report a software problem to National? How did that go? Actually this should be the first problem to fix. - Open BSA websites to search engines? Software will not be simple and intuitive unless the underlying business rules are! Identify customers, gather their needs, CHANGE the BSA business rules accordingly, prioritize, develop transition plans including costs (all costs - software, development, support, training, hardware), what is budget, test, fix, phased rollout, SUPPORT. My $0.01 for rambling.

http://itroadmap.scouting.org/videos/

Good point. I don't know if the well(s) are still active. Another revenue source, a timber harvest, was done just before the oil well drilling. Some camps here are installing solar farms. Camp-shares like farm-shares may be another possibility. As I understand, there has been new facilities added in the last ten years - showers, dining hall, shooting ranges. Jackson County is strongly interested in acquiring the camp as a county park. So Council might keep the previously raised camp endowment money and the oil rights.

Michigan Crossroads Council (MCC) and Camp Teetonkah - Keep the endowment, close the camp. MCC will decide by the end of the year to give the property to the Jackson County Parks Department or the Friends of Camp Teetonkah, a nonprofit created by scouting volunteers and local organizations. Council will either have to give the camp away or sell it for $1 because of an agreement when the Boy Scouts first tried shutting it down in 1997. "A nearly $1 million endowment was raised to keep the camp alive then, and a resolution was agreed on so the Boy Scouts couldn't sell the camp if they decided to close it again. The council's outdoor adventures director Frank Reigelman said the council will honor the resolution, even though it could potentially be overruled by a new resolution. Officials with Friends of Camp Teetonkah said the group won't fight to take the endowment, but that they have raised the funds for it. Reigelman said the funds never belonged to the group, which is why the council will keep the money that has accrued interest to now total $1.5 million." I hope Friends of Camp Teetonkah gets their camp. http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2016/08/23/2-organizations-vie-boy-scouts-camp-jackson/89221410/

Good research. Looking at PD-109 on page 43 of the 430-056.Pdf. public or private outside providers (third parties) must have: - with Council, a "written agreement" outlining responsibilities. - insurance - Camp Staff supervision to insure their safety and YP compliance. - demonstrate compliance with YP (YP training short-course?) Perhaps "written agreement" mentions background checks and Health forms. If not, then I think third parties have the better deal over parent volunteers. Just show up, instruct, go home no paperwork required.

At our local Cub camp, Mom and Dad volunteers are required to have YP (and to get that online you have to register online with BSA), CORI (background check for our state), and BSA health forms. Your camp may be different. Sure a parent without those could visit our camp but not work with other scouts. The lack of camp ID badge would make that clear. My point, whatever those requirements are to allow volunteers direct contact with kids, they should be the same for ALL volunteers having direct contact. If not, what is the point?

Well I will restate my concern. Are corporate groups which volunteer to help with scout program activities required to have YP, background checks, health forms, and join BSA just like the Mom and Dad volunteers? Council said there was attire issue and a training issue. I don't see a problem with the former and I am concerned about the latter.

http://www.montgomery-herald.com/news/bechtel-summit-to-open-leadership-complex-to-give-youth-a/article_afd5a2f6-432e-11e6-9410-a7edce78e4b0.html The Boy Scouts of America broke ground last month on a new leadership complex at the Summit Bechtel Reserve that will, according to new facility’s namesake, “provide solid foundation for our youth to build their lives after God, country and fellow man.†The Thomas S. Monson Leadership Excellence Complex will be a facility tailored toward training leaders and bears the name of the president of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints who is in his 46th year of serving on the Boy Scouts of America’s national executive board. ... The new complex will include a main lodge for teaching and to house more than 190 resident participants. There will also be room for another 190 residents in cabins elsewhere on the 14,000-acre Summit Reserve. ... The new complex will allow the Summit to operate year-long for Scouts, other youth organizations and charter BSA partners. Programming for the complex is currently being developed, but Wayne Perry said he expects the facility to accommodate a task force on obesity, a conference on gun safety and training for adults in youth protection in camp settings, he said... Another corporate campus/resort? A "facility to accommodate a task force on obesity"? Would that be a gym? Well as long as it has a coffee machine, I suppose.

Some years ago, a national brewery sponsored a local scout camporee in these parts. Units and scout families made an informed decision. Many did not to attend. Do councils seek National approval of local sponsorships? I am guessing councils would rather keep revenue sources close to their wicking layer. Could be wrong.

Right, if the Denver Council did not want Hooters employees wearing company attire, they could have just told Hooters no thanks for their help and money. Simple as that.

Yes as I understand, hooters in Britain are car horns. I have not found an answer to my earlier question. I suspect corporate/organization sponsor employees are being exempted by Council from the usual volunteer paperwork (individual application/membership), YP, background checks, and Health forms. The sponsoring corporation/organization (NOLS, US Army, Home Depot, NRA, AT&T, Hooters,...) decides what their employees/members wear. They want publicity with photos clearly showing their employees helping. My experience with Cub camp, the council camp staff is uniformed. Volunteers (Moms) and Cubs not so much..

Sorry for creating a duplicate thread. In that thread, I asked if all volunteers at this Cub camp were YP trained and BSA members with required background checks and, of course, those Health forms. If so, the Hooters people were BSA approved. If not, Denver Council has some explaining to do. From camp photos, the attire is a non-issue. If there is a concern that Hooters should not give out company/organization hats/promotional material, then the same should apply to other outside groups volunteering at scout activities. I predict next year, more Dads will find the time to volunteer at scout camp. Disclaimers: - I have not been in a Hooters restaurant ...yet. Perhaps if I tell Mrs. Schiff that they support Scouting. - Back in the day, the first Playboy I saw was at my local scout camp.

IMHO, this is just funny as in the unexpected. I see no problem with attire or help given. I am curious did ALL volunteers for this Cub Scout camp become BSA members and take YP training?

ok

... Michelle Kettleborough, mom to a 7-year-old cub scout who attended the camp, told KMGH said she was in disbelief when she picked up her son and noticed him wearing a Hooters hat. "I step back for a second, and I take a look and I'm like, 'Are they wearing Hooters visors? Wait a minute,'" Kettleborough said. "Quite honestly we're questioning whether we're going to keep him in the organization at all next year." ...another concerned parent, told KMGH she thought that the "philosophies" of the Boys Scouts and Hooters were "polar opposites." "We love the Scouts, [but] we think they made a very poor choice," Corn said. "And what I would like -- and what I think would go a long way, again -- is some accountability." Corn said the local Boy Scouts chapter dismissed her concerns when she wrote an email asking about Hooters' sponsorship of the camp. According to the email reply obtained by KMGH, a district executive with the Boy Scouts told Corn, "The restaurant assisted with the costs of putting on the camp, and through their community volunteering several of their waitresses donated their time to help staff the camp. Glad to hear your son had such a good time." A spokesperson for Boy Scouts of America in Denver told KMGH in a statement that a "group of trained volunteers mistakenly wore the wrong attire" to a local Cub Scout Day Camp. The spokesperson added that the issue "was addressed by our Council leadership" and that "[w]e extend our apologies for this mistake and look forward to continuing our mission of serving youth in the Denver area." http://abcnews.go.com/US/parents-outraged-learn-local-hooters-sponsored-cub-scout/story?id=40325654 Second attempt at posting...

... Michelle Kettleborough, mom to a 7-year-old cub scout who attended the camp, told KMGH said she was in disbelief when she picked up her son and noticed him wearing a Hooters hat. "I step back for a second, and I take a look and I'm like, 'Are they wearing Hooters visors? Wait a minute,'" Kettleborough said. "Quite honestly we're questioning whether we're going to keep him in the organization at all next year." Marsha Corn, another concerned parent, told KMGH she thought that the "philosophies" of the Boys Scouts and Hooters were "polar opposites." "We love the Scouts, [but] we think they made a very poor choice," Corn said. "And what I would like -- and what I think would go a long way, again -- is some accountability." Corn said the local Boy Scouts chapter dismissed her concerns when she wrote an email asking about Hooters' sponsorship of the camp. According to the email reply obtained by KMGH, a district executive with the Boy Scouts told Corn, "The restaurant assisted with the costs of putting on the camp, and through their community volunteering several of their waitresses donated their time to help staff the camp. Glad to hear your son had such a good time." A spokesperson for Boy Scouts of America in Denver told KMGH in a statement that a "group of trained volunteers mistakenly wore the wrong attire" to a local Cub Scout Day Camp. The spokesperson added that the issue "was addressed by our Council leadership" and that "[w]e extend our apologies for this mistake and look forward to continuing our mission of serving youth in the Denver area." I suspect Council is keeping the money but sending a contingent of uniform police to sweep the Cub Scout Camp. http://abcnews.go.com/US/parents-outraged-learn-local-hooters-sponsored-cub-scout/story?id=40325654

Good to hear.

400 lb Scout leader with Type 2 Diabetes, High BP! Check out the before and after (life style change, surgery, exercise) photos. Remarkable. http://www.legacyhealth.org/our-legacy/stay-connected/story-center/stories/2016-stories/patients/2016-06-tony-defeats-diabetes.aspx

I have felt "future shock" the most in my outdoor activities. It will not be long when we will be required to carry and register a smartphone for a trek so that rangers become forest traffic controllers. Too much? When the weight and cost outweigh the benefit and with tech the weight and cost always grow. You need a memory upgrade, a solar recharger, new maps, new apps,... My $0.02

Don Linke, Carl Voss, Tom Olmstead and Steven Hoegh were four of Bob Bebensee’s (pictured above) former Troop 60 Boy Scouts on hand to surprise Bob with the bench. Don Linke said they wanted to remember the effects scouting had on their lives. He said it was more than just knots and lighting campfires. NIcely done thank you. Great audio remarks from his scouts on his impact in link below. http://965ksom.com/former-boy-scouts-honor-scoutmaster-with-bench-in-the-atlantic-city-park/

Too noisy in the mess hall to hear any table stories. Can't agree that it is reminiscent of any of my old family meals where no one would speak while eating, only one person spoke at a time, no elbows were on table, and all exhibited table manners or were quickly corrected. It is more reminiscent of a school cafeteria meal assuming adults would sit a school cafeteria table with students. I think a quiet cup of coffee is not asking much for adults who are giving up a vacation week.

Had a meeting last night to recruit parents for summer camp and heard these laments from parents. To politely paraphase: What is the problem with having a peaceful cup of coffee in the morning? Why not sit all adults together and let them hang around (or not) after scout dismissal to have a peaceful cup of joe. No singing, no jumping up and down, no announcements, no sign-ups, no classes. Relax and drink their coffee while scouts are off to program. Their second comment jogged my memory. I do recall occasions when troop adults were seated separately and each scout table had a camp counselor or two seated. The more I think about it, the more I like the idea.