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Michigan Crossroads Council (MCC) and Camp Teetonkah - Keep the endowment, close the camp. MCC will decide by the end of the year to give the property to the Jackson County Parks Department or the Friends of Camp Teetonkah, a nonprofit created by scouting volunteers and local organizations. Council will either have to give the camp away or sell it for $1 because of an agreement when the Boy Scouts first tried shutting it down in 1997. "A nearly $1 million endowment was raised to keep the camp alive then, and a resolution was agreed on so the Boy Scouts couldn't sell the camp if they decided to close it again. The council's outdoor adventures director Frank Reigelman said the council will honor the resolution, even though it could potentially be overruled by a new resolution. Officials with Friends of Camp Teetonkah said the group won't fight to take the endowment, but that they have raised the funds for it. Reigelman said the funds never belonged to the group, which is why the council will keep the money that has accrued interest to now total $1.5 million." I hope Friends of Camp Teetonkah gets their camp. http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2016/08/23/2-organizations-vie-boy-scouts-camp-jackson/89221410/

Good research. Looking at PD-109 on page 43 of the 430-056.Pdf. public or private outside providers (third parties) must have: - with Council, a "written agreement" outlining responsibilities. - insurance - Camp Staff supervision to insure their safety and YP compliance. - demonstrate compliance with YP (YP training short-course?) Perhaps "written agreement" mentions background checks and Health forms. If not, then I think third parties have the better deal over parent volunteers. Just show up, instruct, go home no paperwork required.

At our local Cub camp, Mom and Dad volunteers are required to have YP (and to get that online you have to register online with BSA), CORI (background check for our state), and BSA health forms. Your camp may be different. Sure a parent without those could visit our camp but not work with other scouts. The lack of camp ID badge would make that clear. My point, whatever those requirements are to allow volunteers direct contact with kids, they should be the same for ALL volunteers having direct contact. If not, what is the point?

Well I will restate my concern. Are corporate groups which volunteer to help with scout program activities required to have YP, background checks, health forms, and join BSA just like the Mom and Dad volunteers? Council said there was attire issue and a training issue. I don't see a problem with the former and I am concerned about the latter.

http://www.montgomery-herald.com/news/bechtel-summit-to-open-leadership-complex-to-give-youth-a/article_afd5a2f6-432e-11e6-9410-a7edce78e4b0.html The Boy Scouts of America broke ground last month on a new leadership complex at the Summit Bechtel Reserve that will, according to new facility’s namesake, “provide solid foundation for our youth to build their lives after God, country and fellow man.†The Thomas S. Monson Leadership Excellence Complex will be a facility tailored toward training leaders and bears the name of the president of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints who is in his 46th year of serving on the Boy Scouts of America’s national executive board. ... The new complex will include a main lodge for teaching and to house more than 190 resident participants. There will also be room for another 190 residents in cabins elsewhere on the 14,000-acre Summit Reserve. ... The new complex will allow the Summit to operate year-long for Scouts, other youth organizations and charter BSA partners. Programming for the complex is currently being developed, but Wayne Perry said he expects the facility to accommodate a task force on obesity, a conference on gun safety and training for adults in youth protection in camp settings, he said... Another corporate campus/resort? A "facility to accommodate a task force on obesity"? Would that be a gym? Well as long as it has a coffee machine, I suppose.

Some years ago, a national brewery sponsored a local scout camporee in these parts. Units and scout families made an informed decision. Many did not to attend. Do councils seek National approval of local sponsorships? I am guessing councils would rather keep revenue sources close to their wicking layer. Could be wrong.

Right, if the Denver Council did not want Hooters employees wearing company attire, they could have just told Hooters no thanks for their help and money. Simple as that.

Yes as I understand, hooters in Britain are car horns. I have not found an answer to my earlier question. I suspect corporate/organization sponsor employees are being exempted by Council from the usual volunteer paperwork (individual application/membership), YP, background checks, and Health forms. The sponsoring corporation/organization (NOLS, US Army, Home Depot, NRA, AT&T, Hooters,...) decides what their employees/members wear. They want publicity with photos clearly showing their employees helping. My experience with Cub camp, the council camp staff is uniformed. Volunteers (Moms) and Cubs not so much..

Sorry for creating a duplicate thread. In that thread, I asked if all volunteers at this Cub camp were YP trained and BSA members with required background checks and, of course, those Health forms. If so, the Hooters people were BSA approved. If not, Denver Council has some explaining to do. From camp photos, the attire is a non-issue. If there is a concern that Hooters should not give out company/organization hats/promotional material, then the same should apply to other outside groups volunteering at scout activities. I predict next year, more Dads will find the time to volunteer at scout camp. Disclaimers: - I have not been in a Hooters restaurant ...yet. Perhaps if I tell Mrs. Schiff that they support Scouting. - Back in the day, the first Playboy I saw was at my local scout camp.

IMHO, this is just funny as in the unexpected. I see no problem with attire or help given. I am curious did ALL volunteers for this Cub Scout camp become BSA members and take YP training?

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... Michelle Kettleborough, mom to a 7-year-old cub scout who attended the camp, told KMGH said she was in disbelief when she picked up her son and noticed him wearing a Hooters hat. "I step back for a second, and I take a look and I'm like, 'Are they wearing Hooters visors? Wait a minute,'" Kettleborough said. "Quite honestly we're questioning whether we're going to keep him in the organization at all next year." ...another concerned parent, told KMGH she thought that the "philosophies" of the Boys Scouts and Hooters were "polar opposites." "We love the Scouts, [but] we think they made a very poor choice," Corn said. "And what I would like -- and what I think would go a long way, again -- is some accountability." Corn said the local Boy Scouts chapter dismissed her concerns when she wrote an email asking about Hooters' sponsorship of the camp. According to the email reply obtained by KMGH, a district executive with the Boy Scouts told Corn, "The restaurant assisted with the costs of putting on the camp, and through their community volunteering several of their waitresses donated their time to help staff the camp. Glad to hear your son had such a good time." A spokesperson for Boy Scouts of America in Denver told KMGH in a statement that a "group of trained volunteers mistakenly wore the wrong attire" to a local Cub Scout Day Camp. The spokesperson added that the issue "was addressed by our Council leadership" and that "[w]e extend our apologies for this mistake and look forward to continuing our mission of serving youth in the Denver area." http://abcnews.go.com/US/parents-outraged-learn-local-hooters-sponsored-cub-scout/story?id=40325654 Second attempt at posting...

... Michelle Kettleborough, mom to a 7-year-old cub scout who attended the camp, told KMGH said she was in disbelief when she picked up her son and noticed him wearing a Hooters hat. "I step back for a second, and I take a look and I'm like, 'Are they wearing Hooters visors? Wait a minute,'" Kettleborough said. "Quite honestly we're questioning whether we're going to keep him in the organization at all next year." Marsha Corn, another concerned parent, told KMGH she thought that the "philosophies" of the Boys Scouts and Hooters were "polar opposites." "We love the Scouts, [but] we think they made a very poor choice," Corn said. "And what I would like -- and what I think would go a long way, again -- is some accountability." Corn said the local Boy Scouts chapter dismissed her concerns when she wrote an email asking about Hooters' sponsorship of the camp. According to the email reply obtained by KMGH, a district executive with the Boy Scouts told Corn, "The restaurant assisted with the costs of putting on the camp, and through their community volunteering several of their waitresses donated their time to help staff the camp. Glad to hear your son had such a good time." A spokesperson for Boy Scouts of America in Denver told KMGH in a statement that a "group of trained volunteers mistakenly wore the wrong attire" to a local Cub Scout Day Camp. The spokesperson added that the issue "was addressed by our Council leadership" and that "[w]e extend our apologies for this mistake and look forward to continuing our mission of serving youth in the Denver area." I suspect Council is keeping the money but sending a contingent of uniform police to sweep the Cub Scout Camp. http://abcnews.go.com/US/parents-outraged-learn-local-hooters-sponsored-cub-scout/story?id=40325654

Good to hear.

400 lb Scout leader with Type 2 Diabetes, High BP! Check out the before and after (life style change, surgery, exercise) photos. Remarkable. http://www.legacyhealth.org/our-legacy/stay-connected/story-center/stories/2016-stories/patients/2016-06-tony-defeats-diabetes.aspx

I have felt "future shock" the most in my outdoor activities. It will not be long when we will be required to carry and register a smartphone for a trek so that rangers become forest traffic controllers. Too much? When the weight and cost outweigh the benefit and with tech the weight and cost always grow. You need a memory upgrade, a solar recharger, new maps, new apps,... My $0.02

Don Linke, Carl Voss, Tom Olmstead and Steven Hoegh were four of Bob Bebensee’s (pictured above) former Troop 60 Boy Scouts on hand to surprise Bob with the bench. Don Linke said they wanted to remember the effects scouting had on their lives. He said it was more than just knots and lighting campfires. NIcely done thank you. Great audio remarks from his scouts on his impact in link below. http://965ksom.com/former-boy-scouts-honor-scoutmaster-with-bench-in-the-atlantic-city-park/

Too noisy in the mess hall to hear any table stories. Can't agree that it is reminiscent of any of my old family meals where no one would speak while eating, only one person spoke at a time, no elbows were on table, and all exhibited table manners or were quickly corrected. It is more reminiscent of a school cafeteria meal assuming adults would sit a school cafeteria table with students. I think a quiet cup of coffee is not asking much for adults who are giving up a vacation week.

Had a meeting last night to recruit parents for summer camp and heard these laments from parents. To politely paraphase: What is the problem with having a peaceful cup of coffee in the morning? Why not sit all adults together and let them hang around (or not) after scout dismissal to have a peaceful cup of joe. No singing, no jumping up and down, no announcements, no sign-ups, no classes. Relax and drink their coffee while scouts are off to program. Their second comment jogged my memory. I do recall occasions when troop adults were seated separately and each scout table had a camp counselor or two seated. The more I think about it, the more I like the idea.

Rare to hear of a 4th generation Eagle scout and even more rare to read a family's perseverance to keep their son in scouting while relocating. Starting as a Cub Scout in Hohenfels, Germany, and continuing in the Lone Scout program while his family was stationed in Townsville, Australia, Cannata earned Cub Scout’s highest award, the Arrow of Light, before transitioning to Boy Scouts. He has earned 36 merit badges and is a member of the Boy Scouts honor society, the Order of the Arrow. Cannata is a fourth generation Eagle Scout, as his father, both grandfathers and great-grandfather also achieved. An older brother is also an Eagle. http://coastalcourier.com/section/6/article/81439/ Scout Salute to the Cannata family

Innings are the new outings in Scouting. Maybe our year program will be 9 innings and 3 outs like baseball.

Good luck.

Don't use any of BSA trademarks such as "BSA" and the BSA "version" of the fleur dis le and there are no license fees to get passed to unit. For example Troop 154, Mytown, KS.

Depending on size of order, the troop cost: $8-10 for cotton. silkscreen one color (avoid cotton I say) $10-14 for synthetic (yes, wicking), silkscreen one color (sometimes 2) Agree, this is a good project for scouts but too often adults step in and gum it up - two-tone, front and back lettering, side stripes, embroidery, BSA vendor... ugh

In this case the adult leaders, not the scouts, forgot the Scout Law.