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Nope. The BSA can't have it both ways, it leads to the continued, collective pile-on by scouters over National's illogical, unfair interim decisions. They can't say: females are acceptable as Scout leaders but not as Scouts. gay scouts are acceptable but not gay leaders (how long did that last?) 14yr old Venture scouts can shoot pistols but not 14yr old Boy Scouts girls can join Boy Scouts if they think they are boys but not if they are okay with being girls?? and, did I read correctly, that now we have some accepted religious groups with atheists are okay but other atheists are not? Another $0.01

National heaved BSA Tradition over a cliff in the 80's when it allowed female Boy Scout leaders.

Imagine you are a parent and scout leader who brings his daughter(s) along on the hikes and even summer camp where BTW about 20% of the staff is female. His daughters (under 14) like the program and want to join with their brothers. The boys don't care, the CO is all for it, and it sure makes logistics easier for parents. The ones against it are outside of the unit, who are free to keep their unit all boys, even all <pick a denomination> boys. They are even free to start their own CO. Imagine the look on kids' faces as they are Scouts.

My was more about the age range. IMO Scouting program ages should align more with school age groups.

So a proposal to change the Venturing age range from 14*-21 to 11-21, but only for girls, boys would still wait until 13* or 14? Allow local option, both exclusion and inclusion, to determine unit membership.

Another cookie-cutter, redundant MB. Just put the adventure back in Scouting and the exploration will happen through-out the program. http://www.usscouts.org/mb/mb159.asp

I have noticed Girl Scouts using power tools for their Gold Award. I saw one lass adeptly handle a Stihl chain saw. I wonder how many Gold Awards would be rejected as Eagle Projects over power tool restrictions? Apparently the mindset at the GSUSA is that girls should be empowered (their term) to use such tools by adults who properly instruct and supervise, as we would say "keeping the promise". Now wouldn't that be something if allowing girls in resulted in shaming the BSA to man-up to the same level. Geez, maybe our scouts could even shoot semi-auto. Or maybe, just maybe, allowing girls in will bring back a proper scout neckerchief to the BSA. Another $0.02

Snowshoes or other winter gear? We have rented canoes and PFD's, off-season, for use at the council camp lake. Pinewood Derby track?

If you had scouts setting forms, mixing and spreading concrete, wiring circuits, running pipe and soldering/connecting joints then we are agreement.

I doubt NESA did.

IMO, there should be serious scout "sweat equity" in the Eagle project. If a large portion of the project requires a higher skill set or older workers, another project should be considered. Another $0.02

Back to OP, I hope Scout Sydney Ireland is allowed to join so as to have a fair chance to justly earn her Eagle. Fair versus just. There is a difference, What is fair is not necessarily what is just. What is just may not seem fair. When I was young scout, just meant the same requirements for all scouts. When you earned your Eagle you stood with other scouts who shared the same accomplishments and not just the medal. No one was special. I struggled for months with the pull-ups and push-ups required for Personal Fitness but that was the standard and all Eagles met or exceeded those requirements. There were no 300lb Eagle Scouts; there were no Eagle Scouts with disabilities. All Eagles had a Rockwell uniformity. Years later, fair meant meeting similar requirements per special needs. Everyone is special, There were now alternate requirements. Every scout would now have a fair opportunity based on their abilities to earn Eagle. Just? I bet Scout Ireland could match or exceed my accomplishments towards Eagle. Maybe Scouting will open to all kids who must meet the same requirements for advancement. That sounds just to me. My $0.02

Yes. The "somebody" are all the young ("living as girls"?) women who wanted to join Boy Scouts, or as Venturers, and earn Eagle Scout but were turned away.

Yeah, maybe the marketing pitch will be If you are a boy, plan to be a boy, or even just want to be one of the boys at times ...you can be a Boy Scout. I think it will be another PR problem for BSA if the first female Eagle Scout is transgender. Use leadership to be proactive or be reactive and manage lawsuits? Another $0.02

Feb 3. The National Organization for Women issued a statement urging the youth organization to allow girls to join. NOW cited the efforts of a 15-year-old New York City girl to emulate her older brother, who is an Eagle Scout. The group released a statement urging the federal government to “prohibit any federal support for the Boy Scouts until the organization ends its discriminatory ban against girls.†“The U.S. is one of the only countries in the world that doesn’t offer the opportunity for co-ed scouting for our youth,†said NOW New York President Sonia Ossorio. “By enabling young girls and boys to learn formative skills side-by-side, Scouting can best offer empowerment for all young people to develop into confident leaders.†Boy Scouts communications director Effie Delimarkos said the BSA, which has some coed programs, views boys-only programs as a fundamental cornerstone of its mission. http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2017/02/09/womens-group-calls-on-boy-scouts-to-allow-girls-to-join/ http://nownyc.org/press-releases/national-organization-women-calls-boy-scouts-america-end-discriminatory-policies-let-girls-join/

Whew, no mention in #7 of embezzlement of troop funds. Silly or insulting to adult Scouters? Scout Oath and Law seem sufficient to me. My $0.02,

Does your Council have a Conservation Committee? Around these parts, it seems downsized to just a couple of component task groups - Summer Camp Program and Camp Management. Council Conservation Committee Guidebook http://www.scouting.org/filestore/pdf/430-022.pdf

IMO, scouting program changes in the 70's like the Improved Scouting Program, White Stag, and Eagle Advancement, did more irrevocable membership damage than membership policy changes. Even Green Bar Bill could not undo the damage! Let's see do I have this correct, any woman can be a Boy Scout leader (1988) but her daughters cannot join Boy Scouts unless they are transsexual? My $0.01,

Yes, but if scouts at that school unit cannot recruit their friends from other schools, they often leave scouting.

Interesting, yet the recent Boys' Life lists the Honorary President of the BSA as President Trump. Alternative facts?

IMO Secretary of State Tillerson gave a good speech as the "new guy" to his State Department staff today. I heard no references to Scouting but he did reference the New England Patriots "Do Your Job."

Today in a 56 to 43 Senate vote, Rex Tillerson was confirmed as the new Secretary of State.

Thanks for the reminder. There has been too little mention of Scout Sunday and even less of Scout Week.

Allow me to argue. This is a reactive and likely interim decision. The BSA should have allowed local units the "option" to remove gender identity from membership requirements. In a week, there will be another lawsuit arguing that if a transgender (biological) girl can join then a biological girl should as well. David CO makes a good point about requiring female leaders in units. One person tents next.

Now the second week of the Trump Presidency and none of the four Eagle Scout Cabinet nominees have yet been confirmed.