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It seemed, programs which required kits bought thru the camp trading post were in better shape than programs which used bulk supplies on site, e.g., modeling clay in Handicraft. Or stated another way, apparently the business manager ordered for his trading post and not for program areas which was different from past years. @@Eagle94-A1 hope your are enjoying your new wicker chair.

Does your summer camp give a heads-up if their program areas are short on supplies? Does your camp have a "wish list" published? Some means to inform scouters and parents who could hopefully rectify the problem, Once again, our camp did NOT which limited and even canceled hands-on activities in handicraft and shooting. No fear, merit badges were signed-off regardless! Indian Lore was chiefly a week of Sit-n-Bull! I had thought Council and Camp had learned from the 22 ammo shortage from a few years back, Just ask and ye shall receive. Maybe we need to kit supplies ourselves for camp classes?

I reread President Truman's address to the 1950 Jamboree. Though the context then was Communist nations, one paragraph seemed sadly applicable to ourselves today, Maybe there is a SM minute in this. We must not return hate for the hate which these young people are being taught to feel toward us. We must realize that they are the victims of a cynical group of leaders. We must make it clear to them that we believe in the fellowship of human beings, in the possibility of cooperative human action, and in peace based on mutual understanding. We must show them, over and over again, that fellowship is possible between men of different nations, different colors, and different creeds. http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=13551 My $0.02

Topic moved to I&P, next stop .... If you and your unit were there, what would you would say, if anything, to your SPL or scouts ahead of such a meeting?

Okay, I'm confused. US Army base Fort A.P. Hill, Commander-in-Chief arrives and the BSA is entirely at fault?

A little Courtesy and Kindness could go a long way. The President's visit is a opportunity for us, the Boy Scouts, to lead the country back to some civility. My $0.02

Thanks for the info. Both are always on the initial PLC year planning list but never make the final cut. We almost did OKPIK, but got nervous due to another very mild winter this year.

Wouldn't it be cool if scouts lashed a tall Trump tower, oh wait a minute there's a 6 ft. height limit.

I hope our Scouts are courteous and kind this time. IMO, it was a good idea for SecState Tillerson to appear ahead of President. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mbg-oxrAWQ

http://www.wvgazettemail.com/news/20170721/secretary-of-state-tillerson-stops-in-wv-for-boy-scout-jamboree U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson along with his wife Brenda visited the Jamboree on Friday as part of a ceremony detailing the planned Rex W. Tillerson Leadership Center and unveiling a bronze statue of him at the site ..Tillerson spoke about the leadership center and the importance of instilling values-based leadership in America’s youth. “When we acquired the site for the Jamboree, we realized we had an opportunity to do so much more than that,†said Tillerson, who served as national president of the Boy Scouts of America from 2010 to 2012. “We wanted to create a lasting leadership opportunity, and this was a part I really wanted to attach my name to.†The Rex W. Tillerson Leadership Center will be a part of the Thomas S. Monson Leadership Excellence Complex, which is under development. The center will be “a place for leadership and ethics training for youth,†according to Wayne Perry, another former national president of the BSA. Perry said the center will be approximately 12,000 square feet and feature multipurpose classrooms, an auditorium and a library. The Boy Scouts unveiled a bronze statue of Tillerson and presented him with a flag and smaller replica statue. “I feel so blessed to be led to this place and to be a part of this project,†he said. “My part is very small, but I am proud of my part.†... Tillerson told Scouts to “never stop developing†as people and to be a “principles-based leader.†“You have to practice and work hard at it, and you are going to be challenged,†Tillerson said of improving as a leader and person. “That is what we want to teach you at this center — to practice and apply these values.†More details at above source link. Tillerson is a Distinguished Eagle Scout, Silver Buffalo Award recipient and past national president of the BSA.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/west-virginia/articles/2017-07-21/trump-to-visit-boy-scouts-jamboree-in-west-virginia "On Monday, Trump will become the eighth U.S. president to attend a Jamboree. More than 40,000 Scouts, their leaders and volunteers are at the 10-day event." "Presidents dating back to George H.W. Bush attended the Jamboree when it was previously held at a military base at Fort A.P. Hill, Virginia. President Barack Obama declined an invitation from the Scouts to address the 2010 Jamboree in Virginia and the 2013 Jamboree when it was held for the first time in West Virginia."

@@PeterS welcome to scouter.com.

I forget his name but remember he was surprised by our camp fires and skits. I think he was accustomed to more and better Scout singing at gatherings. @@Back Pack My two years of high school German failed me, so translated online.

As a scout, we had a German, well West German then, ASM for Provo. Very low-key, cool guy. I saw this brief article about about a Springbok Scout from South Africa teaching sailing at some Mississippi Valley Council camps. http://www.thehawkeye.com/news/local/south-african-scout-sails-into-area-summer-camps/article_11f51680-6dc9-56dc-a986-9a621afd63ff.html

Does your summer camp have international scouts on staff? Seems less common these days.

January seems an odd time, midway in program year. There is increasing talk in my old pack to unofficially allow (more) girls to participate this Sept at start of the program year. Some do already, notably daughters of den leaders. Some went to Cub resident camp. Want to tell those moms their daughters can't participate? National's survey is becoming moot. Local units assume it is coming and will already have it figured out.

Me? Mostly interested in hearing about Maine High Adventure Camp and OKPIK programs if you were involved or experienced them.

@@nuwriter . Welcome to scouter.com . Could you tell us about your experiences working for two New England Scout Councils?

Some merit badge mills are touting themselves as "patrol method' camps in that patrols do their own patrol cooking. Camp Bell in Griswold Scout Reservation (NH) once was a true patrol method camp. Not only did patrols plan and cook their own meals but planned their daily activities as well. MB classes were not offered., rather activity area. Sure a scout might get some rank, mb requirements but no completed blue card at end of the week. Looking at the 2017 Leaders' Guide in appears to be moving towards a mill. Hope I'm wrong.

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@@aveline from the Garden State welcome to scouter.com

How about SCITELs , pronounced Skittles , SCouts In Training Ever Loyal.

Then would girl Cubs go through a different Webelos (We Be Loyal To Something Else ) to prepare for that "partner" program?

Yes in video, the "Make Scouting More Accessible" argument and examples stopped at Cub Scouts. After that, a separate and maybe equal argument was applied, i.e., a partner or parallel (in-house) program, family accessibility was not a concern. From slide Will we find a partner? Shared values Nationwide reach Robust, similar curriculum top award as significant as Eagle Create our own Program? parallel with Boy Scouting same program or adjusted for girls is Eagle top award? Parallel honor society (OA) Camping questions

@@MattR thanks for posting video. IMO, logical thinking appeared thin. Family Scouting, dumbed down over-complicated programs,and ever increasing restrictions/costs worries me more than girls, gays, and the godless. My $0.01