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There's another controversial change needed at World Jamboree to bring the BSA in step with the rest of WOSM and the world - metric. I noticed British badge requirements for swimming and hill walking, etc have distances stated in meters and kilometers. If we the BSA are going to change, we might as well go the distance.

In another thread @@Cambridgeskip made this comment I suspect that there will be a big effort to capitalise on the world jamboree (which will give you some brilliant PR if 2007 is anything to go by), I'd expect to see some rebranding, changes to uniform* and as Ian suggested, a big push to change public attitudes. The results won't come over night, but they will eventually. *I hope I don't offend anyone but if I could make one suggestion to BSA to change its image. Lose the badge sash. Seriously. The uniform over all isn't bad, I particularly like the navy blue shirt for cubs, much better than ours, but the sash really does have to go. What other changes, besides membership being discussed in numerous other threads, may or should happen in the BSA before or here at the World Jamboree in 2019? Uniform? Celebrity front-persons for the BSA? Will there be beer at the Summit as there will be there next week for the Spartan event?

@@ianwilkins , @@Cambridgeskip well said.

Exactly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kbTbg00AJU

My understanding from LDS news releases below is not all those boys will "filter back" only those who desire to advance to Eagle will. My guess, boys who just want to continue in Boy Scouts will join a non-LDS troop. The Church will continue its Cub Scout and Boy Scout programs for boys ages 8 through 13 because they “meet the development program needs of boys from ages 8 through 13.†It will also be involved in Friends of Scouting. The First Presidency letter states that “young men over the age of 14 who desire to continue to work toward the rank of Eagle Scout or Queen Scout should be encouraged and supported in their efforts and should be properly registered as Scouts.†https://www.lds.org/church/news/church-replacing-varsity-and-venturing-scouting-with-new-activities-program?lang=eng&_r=1 http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/questions-answers-changes-young-men-program http://blog.utahscouts.org/eagle-scout-trail/lds-scouts-do-not-need-to-get-eagle-before-14/

The Dallas News printed this comment from BSA BSA spokeswoman Effie Delimarkos said the organization has tried to initiate talks with the Girl Scouts for months and did speak with GSUSA leaders earlier this month about identifying "potential areas of opportunities for alignment in the future." She said that while no new such programs had yet been implemented or decided, "based on numerous requests from families, the Boy Scouts has been exploring the benefits of bringing Scouting to every member of the family - boys and girls." "We are disheartened to see the Girl Scouts pull away from the possibility of cooperation to help address the needs of today's busy families," she said. In May, BSA leaders announced they would discuss adding more opportunities for girls at a meeting of chapter representatives at the organization's headquarters in Irving. Attempts to reach BSA leadership Wednesday evening were unsuccessful. https://www.dallasnews.com/news/boy-scouts/2017/08/23/girl-scouts-accuse-irving-based-boy-scouts-covert-campaign-recruit-girls-lift-falling-numbers

@Hawkwin your experience is similar to Catherine Pollard with Boy Scouts. Pollard ran a Milford, CT troop from 1973 to 1975 when no men volunteered. But her application for a leadership position was denied when the Boy Scouts contended that a woman was not a good role model for young boys enrolled in Scouting. ... In February 1988 the Boy Scouts of America did away with all gender restrictions on volunteer positions. Pollard, who was 69 at the time, became a scoutmaster in Milford and praised the Boy Scouts' leadership. "I do think that this is marvelous, because there have been women all over the United States, in fact all over the world, that have been doing these things for the Boy Scouts because they could not get a male leader. But we could not get recognition for the things we've done," Pollard said. http://articles.latimes.com/2006/dec/15/local/me-pollard15

Ugh, whither core competencies. If Scouting Magazine cannot find someone on staff more knowledgeable about camping, then time to pack up and go home. I bristle when noobs create new technical terms, so a pot is hardware and clothing is software. Advises readers to pack light and then look at the Hardware list. No first aid kit, no mention of bugs,... My $0.01

@@kscouter thanks for that link "Through various means we have learned that BSA is very seriously considering opening their programs to girls and we have made repeated efforts to engage with them and talk about the implications," Well at least someone high up in Scouting is listening to our comments.

I see scouts wearing neckers and properly over the collar.

or go Donald Duck

Please many of us understand the frustration and disappointment . Let's see how many times the BSA program has become not the program I signed up for and ... 1972 - The Improved Scouting Program Alternate rank requirements - I still hate that. 1988 - Female troop leaders . This opened the door to coed scouting. Instant recognition - The Gimme, gimme change. What stupidity! FCFY Summit - the financially sustainable money-pit that 90% will never attend. Adults required on patrol outings Family Scouting ... But here I am and other scouters too, because of our scouts. My $0.02

That is an interesting idea. I am seeing more colleges offer bachelor degrees in Outdoor Recreation.

"Horses Healing Hearts," program at Trinity Circles Ranch in Newton, MO http://www.fourstateshomepage.com/news/horses-healing-hearts-and-the-boy-scouts/794125434 Camp Bell (NH) has a Horsemanship MB and it is remarkable the effect a horse can have, especially calming those with anxiety disorders.

I thought Councils did this with their non-member camp staffs, e.g. create a Crew 1 so that all are now uniformed members?

https://www.bizjournals.com/houston/news/2017/08/18/boy-scouts-list-former-hill-country-camp-for.html 2,348 acre scout camp sold for nearly $25million. They (Sam Houston Council?) will use the proceeds for the development of the new Camp Strake in the Houston area. I thought the sale of the old Camp Strake covered that expense and then some? farewell... http://republicranches.com/landlisting/el-rancho-cima/

The Eagle Project should be about demonstrating leadership delivering a service not perseverance processing our own paperwork. I grant the real world is more the latter which they soon abundantly see with college applications. The new 5P's: Perseverance Processing Paperwork Pleases Proceduralists My $0.01,

Scout Troop 521 will head to Wyoming to catch a glimpse of the rare event. Eight years ago, Boy Scout Sam Kimpton and his father, Peter Kimpton, were reading an astronomy book and learned that the United State was due for a solar eclipse. Peter Kimpton promised his son that they would make the trip to see the eclipse. "The prospect that I even thought as a kid, like, 'Oh, hey, look. It's a good idea,'" Sam Kimpton said. "But now, thinking of it, it's possible. Why shouldn't we do it?" The two are heading to Yellowstone National Park, but they're not going alone. Seven boys and 11 adults from Troop 521 are also taking the trek west. "We've aligned the eclipse trip along with a backpacking adventure through Yellowstone National Park," Peter Kimpton said. Check video http://www.wmur.com/article/londonderry-boy-scouts-head-west-to-watch-eclipse/12034272

His project signed completed by beneficiary, my younger son has since spent over 12 hours over two weeks filling out that $@%#^$% redundant workbook and he still has more work to do, We estimate when completed with attachments it will be longer than my older son's patent application + college thesis + our state and federal tax returns. His answer to What was most challenging...? Filling out the Project Workbook.

Somehow I don't think flush toilets and hot showers will be a problem.

Thanks. Probably worth a second look. We found round trip flights from Northeast were cheaper into ABQ than Denver or Colorado Springs. With our luck, Route 25 would be shutdown in Colorado due to brush fire at a marijuana farm.

More about the Scouting connection along with photos in this link. http://gazette.com/behind-a-wwii-internment-camps-barbed-wire-two-scouts-forged-a-bond.-it-endured-when-they-both-entered-congress./article/1609398 Some excerpts:. I definitely recommend reading above link. When they are together, it's not hard to see the Boy Scouts they were when they met seven decades ago, in the barbed-wire Japanese internment camp that sprawled over desolate fields. One was imprisoned here; one belonged to the only troop that agreed to a jamboree on the inside. .... Two months after the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor, President Roosevelt signed an order ordering all Japanese Americans away from the Pacific Coast. Mineta and his family were among 120,000 who were "relocated" inland to one of 10 internment camps that opened amid the wartime hysteria. The majority were citizens, forced to leave behind their homes, jobs, belongings and crops. Families lost everything. Mineta remembers tears streaming down his father's face as they left San Jose and headed first for a way station at the Santa Anita Racetrack, then to the Heart Mountain camp, 15 miles outside of Simpson's home town of Cody. Simpson remembered how the rows of tar-paper barracks appeared almost overnight on a sagebrush flat. There was nothing near the camp but the railroad tracks that transported the internees. With more than 10,000 usually there, the camp dwarfed the population of Cody, then at just more than 2,500. "The townspeople in Cody were not thrilled," Simpson said. "We didn't know who was in there except it must have been a pretty bad group with all that activity." "I remember the day we got there in November [1942]," Mineta said. "The wind was blowing, all this silt was hitting our faces, cold as blazes. . . . The restrooms were quite a ways away, so when it would get cold and either raining or the snow, you had to go to the bathroom at 11 or 12 at night and trudge through all that mud and muck and mire. "And then each of the units had one single globe in the middle of the room and a potbelly stove in the middle. My job was to get the coal from the bin and then bring it - and that's what kept us warm." He was 11. No schools had been built for the thousands of children who were among the internees, so to keep the children occupied, camp elders decided to form Boy Scout troops. Long before internment, scouting had deep roots in the Japanese community. Immigrant parents viewed it as a very American tradition and admired the organization's values of good citizenship, loyalty and service. When Mineta's family left their house for the train ride to the assembly center in Southern California, young Norman wore his Cub Scout uniform. So Heart Mountain troop leaders wrote to troops in nearby towns, inviting them to participate in Boy Scout jamborees. All refused. They were afraid of the armed guards and uneasy about the unfamiliar faces inside. "It was a confusing time," Simpson said. As a young boy, "You were sorting out your world when nobody was there to teach you what the hell was going on, but you knew it was mess." But his troop's leader, Glenn Livingston, was "a scoutmaster ahead of his time," Simpson said. He told his young scouts that the boys behind the barbed-wire fence were just like them, and he was right: The Heart Mountain scouts, Simpson said, read the same comics and earned the same merit badges. Even as a young kid, Simpson said: "You knew these were Americans, especially when you met the Scouts. They didn't even know where Japan was." By chance, he was matched up with Mineta, who remembers Simpson as a "roly-poly kid with lots of hair." Among their tasks that day was pitching a tent. There is some dispute between the two, as usual, as they recount what happened next. Mineta claimed that when it came time to build a small moat around the tent, Simpson suggested routing it so that it would flow toward the tent of another Scout - one known as a bully. "It was no skin off my nose, so I said 'Sure,' " Mineta recalled. By chance it rained, and the moat worked perfectly to flood the kid's tent. "Oh, he laughed, 'hee hee hee, haw haw haw, hee hee hee,' " Mineta said. "I had to say, 'Alan, stop laughing so we can get some rest.' " Said Simpson: "He said I laughed hideously at the event. I don't recall any cackling, but it was fun." They spent a day together. Then Simpson went back to a comfortable life as the son of a prominent family in Cody. Mineta stayed behind the barbed wire for a year. ... Much more in source link above.

@@Wood Badge Jim welcome to scouter.com

http://www.mountain-news.com/news/article_2e81ade8-837a-11e7-b9c2-4be226327bf8.html The Hubert Eaton Scout Reservation (formerly Forest Lawn Scout Reservation) near Lake Arrowhead has received a historic $10 million endowment from longtime supporter, the AS&F Foundation. The Boy Scouts of America Greater Los Angeles Area Council (GLAAC) announced on July 29 receipt of the donation, which will benefit the GLAAC’s Boy Scouts’ adventure camp. John Llewellyn, a Distinguished Eagle Scout and past council president for the GLAAC, presented the multi-million-dollar gift on behalf of his great-uncle, Hubert Eaton, who established the foundation. The $10 million gift and renaming of the camp were done in honor of Eaton’s legacy and the impact that he had on youth. “There is a lot of money going into this area now, which is great,†said Chairman of the Board and GLAAC President Gerry Morton. “With this money, we can ensure that the camp will run forever for the benefit of the kids who utilize it.†... Morton explained that the money is a permanent endowment for the camp, and five percent will be taken from it annually to ensure that the camp is running under high standards. “When the 2003 fire ripped through Arrowhead, we invested $17 million in rebuilding everything,†Morton explained, adding that this money will help the camp make up for the large amount it lost after the fire. “This is what is great about the gift,†Morton stated. “We will ensure that deferred maintenance gets covered and the camp gets quality and first-rate conditions.†Aside from the deferred maintenance, the importance to the GLAAC and Morton himself is to ensure that the mission of the camp is delivered, and that the youth utilizing the camp get the most out of their experience while they are there. “We offer this service to kids as a nonprofit, and now we will be able to really rely on this money,†Morton concluded.