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Welcome to scouter.com. With the new software, we are a little like a den meeting at the moment.

I "split" the "Quality Control" responses to a new topic. Sorry for the confusion and clumsiness on my part. And I split off Tampa Turtle's parents and AT hike conundrum. Actually I split if off as a separate topic. I had to do it one response at a time. Much more difficult than spinning off topics in previous software. Or maybe I am just doing it the hard way? Breaking up is hard to do!

Why do BSA units have to recharter to National each year, but National does not have to recharter with the federal government? Did Congress miss a revenue opportunity? Would Congress take more interest in "paid" charters?

I agree. and have seen it. Our solution has been our SM selects who comes, another tool he uses is a Family outing is not Scout outing - no advancement, lets just go have fun. No parents chasing after PL's or ASM's to sign-off. Another $0.02

Moved (called Split with this software) to new topic.

At least one person did along with the suggestion about allowing parents to act as MBC (just like Cub Scouts) for this merit badge after all their house.

Why not just limit adult participation? Our SM decides which adults go on hikes, campouts, not CC or Troop Committee.

Argh. That requirement needs some rethinking. Time to be disobedient and change requirements. When I counseled this mb, I asked scouts what needed fixing at their house and then told them what needed fixing at my house. Plenty of tasks as we get a house ready for winter. So a list was made like the following and we went from there. replace furnace filter replace batteries on fire/smoke alarms weatherstrip door/windows replace door bell replace door locks replace light fixture install under sink water filter <-- scout learned about town water quality install dishwasher <--- yes I had a scout remove old dishwasher and install replacement. Scout was happy, Mom was thrilled. install kitchen under cabinet lights replace warped cabinet shelves fix door closing problems attach TV stand, dressers, etc to walls or floor to prevent fall-over <-- very popular. install child-safe house features My $0.02, P.S. If it ain't broken don't fix it.

So the first US scoutmaster was Mrs. Myra Greeno Bass?

I like that we can now change our votes. Still kicking the tires.

IMHO disappointed. I think he expected the world to a be a better place because of Scouting.

Ah you want local option. This software is a surprise to me as well. Another blog that I frequent made a similar upgrade to improve mobile viewing. Give it a try. I like that members can now change their votes and there are more vote choices - up, down, haha, confused, sad.

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When I read Judge Pregerson quote, I began to recall some 60's campfire discussions about Vietnam and the draft we would be facing in a few years. The minimum voting age was not yet 18. There are many, more current examples of protest in America. IMO some discussion of peaceful and respectful protest should be part of Citizenship in Nation. Scouts have seen that writing to their representative often results in a canned response. Two of our scouts had the same written response to two different concerns. Our scouts have discussed NFL players taking a knee during National Anthem and whether it is respectful, focused, and the proper venue. Those who play high school football know they will be removed from the team. Some interesting discussions. We also had a discussion of President Trump's visit to Summit. If you attended a that speech and disagreed, do you boo (as scouts at previous Jambo), quietly remain out of respect for the President, quietly leave, or something else. My $0.02,

I was not aware of that. Why not in Citizenship in Nation?

Civil disobedience is not covered, but IMHO it should be.

My point was the crack naturally opens wider because there is a crack. Time is relative.

Agree. I was taken aback by the answer to the last question, "22. The change is happening. How can we encourage other Scouters to embrace it?" If I can paraphrase the answer 'Talk about it and you will come around.' I was expecting an answer such as, Good scouts and scouters may disagree on this issue as they may on any other issue but all of us will follow the Scout Oath and Law.

We know, or think we know, the first Eagle Scout, the 2 millionth Eagle Scout, the 100 millionth Boy Scout but the first Boy Scout First Class scout Sea Scout Scoutmaster Den Mother Robotics Merit Badge counselor Troop ( quite a few arguments) Pack ??

That 1988 decision made me first aware of some of National's oddities and I would be reminded of them several times over the years. 1. National believes they can have it both ways in all things. The nod and wink. They will open the door a crack and say that's okay, that's an exception. Sure enough, a few years later that exception is argued away because the door was opened in the first place. Female scoutmasters is okay so why not female scouts. This can be seen in membership, advancement, safety, and disability issues. Is this good, bad, contradictory, wasteful, odd, foolish, all, or something else? 2. National or Council will fight a protracted and expensive legal battle, win in the court, and then cave on their winning decision in the light of bad publicity. 3. National has no clue about publicity, advertising, scouting opinion, public opinion. I will stop there. Speaking of female membership in the BSA when did National first open the door a crack? IMHO, it was when Den Chiefs were replaced by Den Mothers in Cub Scouts. In 1930 when Cubbing began, the original concept was to have a Boy Scout in charge of the Den. His title was Den Chief. By 1932, it was recognized that the Den Chief needed the assistance of an adult and the Den Mother became an official part of the program as a co-leader with the Den Chief. By the mid-1930's, it was evident that dens with a Den Mother functioned much better than those with only a Den Chief. In 1936, BSA approved the optional registration of Den Mothers. https://www.sageventure.com/history/cub/DM.html My $0.01

A few years ago, I wore the North Star (Minnesota) Council patch as they stood up to National over membership issues. That said, I would rather go back to Community Strips - Town and State.

“My conscience is a product of the Ten Commandments, the Bill of Rights, the Boy Scout Oath and the Marine Corps Hymn,†the (President) Carter appointee said during his Senate confirmation hearing. “If I had to follow my conscience or the law, I would follow my conscience.†Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals Judge Harry Pregerson who passed last week at age 94. http://www.latimes.com/local/obituaries/la-me-harry-pregerson-snap-story.html Profile: Choosing between the Law and His Conscience http://articles.latimes.com/1992-05-03/local/me-1882_1_harry-pregerson

Our PLC limits "cleanup" projects to just one - spring town cleanup with a focus on winter storm debris. Picking up after Mother Nature is ok, other people not so much. This corn stalk snow fence service project in Iowa, particularly the video, reminded me about that. http://www.kcrg.com/video/?vid=460185143&vid=460185143

I suspect George Lucas gets even more.

My understanding... At Council level, the Council President appoints, with the approval of the Executive Board, active members to serve as the Nominating Committee. The Council Scout Executive (CSE) serves on said Executive Board but has no vote. The CSE serves at the pleasure of the Executive Board. Another interesting aspect about unanimous votes is the quorums can be just a third, 10%, or even 5% depending on the Council bylaws and state law. Confusing yes and not to say the Council political reality may differ from its bylaws, just like units.