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No and no. The advancement short cut that was being attempted was rejected by National.

National directly handled that matter, though we do not know the full extent, and kindly remarked. "If you regularly sit in on classes at Columbia University, but aren't matriculated in the school, after auditing a full course load and after the traditional four year college experience, you unfortunately still are not eligible for a Columbia diploma if you were not officially enrolled. " No short cut.

As I recall, there were similar suppositions in 2012 for the "100th Anniversary of the Eagle Scout Award" https://scoutingmagazine.org/2012/04/eagle-scout-award-celebrates-100th-anniversary/

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911 call Source: https://www.azfamily.com/video/call-from-scoutmaster-released-about-boy-scout-death-on-picacho/video_33f34bdc-7740-5534-bfa4-a5addbea1646.html

Pinal County Sheriff's Dept released report The Pinal County Sheriff's Office says the 16-year-old was hiking the Sunset Vista trail with his Boy Scout troop on April 27 when he collapsed on the way back after reaching the summit. The group was about a mile from the trailhead when the teen passed out and 911 was called at 1:30 p.m. The responding deputy said the park ranger reached the group first and started CPR until firefighters from Avra Valley arrived and took over. A paramedic pronounced the teen deceased just before 2:30 p.m. The group, comprised of six scouts and two scout masters, had started hiking the trail at 8 a.m., the sheriff's office said. The group reached the summit around noon, but by that time the teen had drank the two quarts of water he had brought on the hike. The Sunset Valley trail is 3.1 miles long and starts gradually before increasing in difficulty as it approaches the top of the peak. Steel cables have been installed in parts of the trail to help hikers navigate the steep terrain, and it is not advised people hike the trail in hot weather, according to the Arizona State Parks website. According to the National Weather Service, the high that day was 94 degrees in nearby Tucson. The scout masters refilled the teen's water at the top, and the group turned around. While hiking back, the teen collapsed and was helped up by other scouts. About 100 yards later, the teen collapsed again and did not get up, according to the sheriff's office. Source: https://www.abc15.com/news/region-central-southern-az/pinal-county-releases-report-on-16-year-old-boy-scout-who-died-at-picacho-peak

Before 1920, publishers were known to publish an occasional book for boys and girls, but no publishers had “Children’s Book” departments per se. A few hundred children’s books might be published each year, but the costs for printing illustrated books in color was still high and the market was not well defined. Franklin K. Matthiews, the librarian of the Boy Scouts of America, embarked on a nation-wide tour to advocate for better standards in children’s literature. At the time, relatively few kids’ books were published each year—in part because printing color illustrations was expensive—but Matthiews was a firm believer in the importance of children’s literacy. He joined forces with Frederic G. Melcher, the influential editor of Publishers Weekly, and Anne Carroll Moore, the Superintendent of Children’s Works at the New York Public Library to convince the American Booksellers Association and the American Library Association to sponsor a “Good Book Week” along with the Boy Scouts of America. His advocacy led to the launch of Children’s Book Week in 1919, an annual celebration of books for little ones. 2019 marked the 100th anniversary of Children’s Book Week , April 29 – May 5. The 100th Anniversary theme — Read Now ∙ Read Forever – looks to the past, present, and most important, the future of children’s books. http://www.awb.com/dailydose/?p=643 https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/festive-felines-and-wayward-rockets-come-life-rare-childrens-books-digitized-library-congress-180972107/ https://everychildareader.net/cbw/

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So what are these non-attending scouts doing during the planning session? Are they gathering, checking patrol gear?

Thanks, I removed the duplicate post in the Open Discussion Forum. RS

16-year-old boy died hiking Picacho Peak with a Boy Scout group on Saturday, the Pinal County Sheriff's Office said. The group had water but ran out when they got to the top of the mountain, the Sheriff's Office said. On the hike down, the teen began to exhibit signs of extreme dehydration, officials said. Members of the group called for help and emergency responders attempted to resuscitate the boy but were unsuccessful. The boy was pronounced dead at the scene, according to the Sheriff's Office. https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona-breaking/2019/05/02/sheriffs-office-teen-dies-while-hiking-picacho-peak-boy-scout-group/3654991002/ https://www.abc15.com/news/state/pcso-16-year-old-dies-during-hike-at-picacho-peak-park-on-saturday

Found that article you cited very interesting. Here is an excerpt. The Second Annual Report of the BSA enumerated the demographics of Scoutmasters associated with the new youth movement in 1912. A total of 1500 Scoutmasters were enumerated in this document, and among them; 463 were clergymen, 184 were school teachers/superintendents, 150 clerks, and 105 were mechanics. Lower numbers of lawyers, students, and managers were also enumerated. Ms. Timberlake (although a female) fit within school teacher category. The 1911 edition of the Boy Scouts Handbook describes a Scoutmaster as; Obviously, the expectation of the BSA was that men were best suited and were encouraged to become Scoutmasters. The 1913 Scout Master’s Manual in enumerating the duties of the local Scout Commissioner, describes one of the Commissioner’s duties as investigating all applications for Scoutmaster’s certificates (commissions), and ensuring that Scoutmaster commissions are issued to “men (emphasis added) of good character” and who have a good reputation in the community. The manual goes on to describe that “a man may apply for a commission as Scout Master.” A prospective Scoutmaster was required to submit a completed application to the local Scout Commissioner, or in the event that there was no local council (as in the case of much of central Virginia at this time), the application was submitted to Boy Scout headquarters in New York City for consideration by the National Council. However, there doesn’t appear to be an explicit requirement that women were to be barred from consideration as Scoutmasters–although it was certainly implied.

Research Mrs. Myra Greeno Bass, Troop 1, Burnside, KY.

Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/09/09/the-crazy-reason-it-costs-14000-to-treat-a-snakebite-with-14-medicine/?utm_term=.942d63d74aba ...a single vial of antivenom that would cost more than $14,000 in the United States would cost $100 to $200 in Mexico. Same medicine. Same manufacturer. But a totally different pharmaceutical market. In Mexico, Boyer says, authorities determined some time ago that treating venomous snake and spider bites was a public health issue. "Their policy has always been that the government will provide adequate amounts of antivenom via a massive purchase of the drug which it distributes to health clinics." We could try to implement something similar here, but it would require an act of Congress to do so.

Update May 1, 2019: The Cedarlands Scout Reservation (NY), encompassing two lakes over 6 square miles of timberland, which has been on the market since 2015, is under contract to be sold this summer. The listing was at nearly $4 million. Ray Eschenbach, scout executive and CEO of the Leatherstocking Council, the Boy Scout council which owns the land, said the market for camps in the Adirondacks was oversaturated. Compounding that was a decrease in the number of Boy Scouts, reflecting a population decrease in northern New York, Eschenbach said. The main thing, Eschenbach said, is that the Cederlands was a council asset. He said the money from the sale will be used to promote the organization’s long-term health to provide camping and programming for scouts. http://www.adirondackdailyenterprise.com/news/local-news/2019/05/4000-plus-acre-boy-scout-reservation-set-to-be-sold/ http://www.dec.ny.gov/lands/108144.html

Right. I remember a camporee like that in the late 60's in New York; it was called Woodstock. Like the Moon, we may never go back.

Me too.

If scouts cannot get together, what hope does our country have.

The Boy Scout experience was helpful in several ways. I was determined to try to become an Eagle Scout at a camp in northeast Indianapolis. On the first night, rain came over our ditches and flooded our bedding. It looked to be an impossible situation because we were going to have to get fire by friction as part of the requirements. It's a long story, but we managed. No situation has ever seemed insurmountable after that. Senator Richard Lugar https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a8732/dick-lugar-interview-1110/ Scout salute and farewell....

Case Number: 1:2018cv10287 Court: New York Southern Nature of Suit: Trademark Judge: Alvin K. Hellerstein Firms Dorsey & Whitney <--- Girl Scouts of the United States of America (plaintiff) Quinn Emanuel <---- Boy Scouts of America (defendent) https://dockets.justia.com/docket/new-york/nysdce/1:2018cv10287/504196

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Some rambling , on topic thoughts. Some "Council" camps are in separate trusts ; they should be isolated from BSA bankruptcy. The state of West Virginia has a budget surplus...maybe? BSA's financial concerns are not just abuse liability claims and insurance non-payments but also injury/death liability claims, loan repayments (Summit), fewer $$$ sponsors, legal expenses, consultant expenses, Philmont and other HA upkeep, Jambo, reduced membership, pensions, salaries,... With bankruptcy, IMHO ,other sizable CO groups will break away and start their own youth programs. Membership will decrease and worse maybe a run on advancement will ensue. Cannot say that I have heard of similar problems with 4-H or Boys & Girls Club. Scouting is an idea not an organization. Scouting will continue with or without the Boy Scouts of the United States (defunct 1910), American Boy Scouts, Sons of Daniel Boone,...,Boy Scouts of America, even the WOSM,. my $0.01

Something different... An inflatable BB-gun shooting range used by the Black Hills Area Council of Boy Scouts to teach gun safety became the apparent target of thieves late Tuesday night or early Wednesday while it was parked next to the Council’s offices on North Street. A lock on the trailer was broken and a large bag containing the shooting range and a tote containing other accessories, along with supplies of BBs and paper targets, were missing. Two BB rifles also were missing and three other BB rifles were found lying in the grass near the trailer, said Ron Weider, senior district executive for the Black Hills Area Council of the Boy Scouts of America, said. Weider said the Council purchased the $1,600 shooting range, made for the Boy Scouts by BB gun manufacturer Daisy, through a donation by American Legion Post 71 in Hot Springs. More info including photo of range at source: https://rapidcityjournal.com/news/local/boy-scout-bb-gun-shooting-range-stolen-official-says/article_58ba5232-8dd4-5c77-afbf-6d07c1af3c39.html