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So, let's give points for things that they may care about. For example, during the year, to each score, add: +3 points for each scout who attended any district camporee +5 points for each scout who attended a council camporee +1 point for scouts who attended one camporee in his own district/council +7 points for each scout who attended a area/regional camporee +11 points for each scout who attended a area/regional/national/international jamboree/camporee +13 points for each scout who staffed a summer camp +17 points for each (established, not ad hoc) patrol that competed in district/regional/area camporees +19 points for each established patrol that placed first in a summer camp uniform inspection +23 points for each established patrol that placed first in a summer camp scout-craft competition +29 points for each third place award by any established patrol in any district/council/regional camporee +31 points for each second place award by any established patrol in any district/council/regional camporee +37 points for each first place award by any established patrol in any district/council/regional camporee +41 points for each patrol contributing to another scout's project +43 points for any scout found helping a little old lady cross the street +47 points if aforementioned scout never bragged about it +53 points for each game organized and lead by an established patrol at any summer camp or district/council/regional camporee +59 points for each song organized and lead by an established patrol at any summer camp or district/council/regional camporee +61 points for any cool hike or campout or project by an established patrol, as recorded by the troop historian +67 points if the historian's article makes it into a district newsletter +71 points if the historian's article makes it into a council newsletter +73 points if the historian's article makes it into Boy's Life or Scouting Magazine. +79 points if the historian's article makes it into the WOSM's page. +83 points for each patrol that carries on its name, flag, and cheer from the previous year. Divide total score by number of established patrols. Best score in the district earns silver exclamation point to sew after the troop #s.

That's neither the parents' nor the churches' fault. If a council with large number of LDS CO's is not aggressively marketing to those parents or scouts by introducing them to their neighboring troops -- especially those started by LDS leaders to continue scouting -- then they are doing their scouts a disservice. Also, there are a leaders out their wondering how to handle the influx of older LDS boys to their troop. BSA should highlight scouters who've successfully done that. Because recruiting older LDS scouts and blending them into your troop is not unlike making sure boys feel welcome even if they weren't with you since they crossed over from a pack. The message should be: "Sure, we're financially tight. Girls are scouting with us now. Liability's high. But boys still want to camp with us!"

Based on what this Pitt Alumni saw at World Scout Jamboree, SBR might as well have been a WVU campus.

Things not to like about JTE? Well my pet peeve is high score gets gold instead of silver. I guess the other is: everybody gets a trophy. Instead, lets take a que from Sea Scouts and have a National Flagtroop every month. Heck, we could even have regional, area, council, and district flagtroops.

Also interesting from that article, the anecdote of a scouter and his wife who ... Moves like this could account for @Cburkhardt's noting an uptick in new units.

I never cared answer that question, all I know is what I make draws regular sub-camp duty officers to my site.

Considering that my barista has also been my cookie supplier (and I'm hoping that now that she's graduating, her little sister will take over both in the shop and in her troop), this is almost a perfect pairing. I do like my coffee like I like my thin mints: strong as love, black as death. And DD really comes close to that on the coffee side of things. But, the two in the same cup nullify one another, IMHO. It's a matter vs. anti-matter sort of thing.

Disney Circle may drag your wireless network -- and that of others. I had a freind whose mobile was being recognized as the router gateway while he was at work. All traffic was being routed through his phone. The harsh truth is we need to battle-harden our kids. Tell them that they ought notta gawk at someone else's spouse. Tell them that some things can't be unseen. But tell them it's worth fighting tooth and nail to stay out of the swamp that's tempting you and climb out of the one your in.

And ... it shouldn't be dependent on a female adult being in the room (if you're a girl and only your male advisor and associate show up). it should cost less than a student discount lift-ticket to register. I forgot that first one before, and I thought the second one bore repeating. Cost effectiveness is no joke for our teens. Many of their mom's administrative jobs will soon be automated, and the training for trucking or welding isn't coming fast enough.

@DuctTape that won't satisfy the bean-counting requirement of some councils because if you complete YPT on, say, December 23 of this year, that will mean next year when you go to recharter, all of those folks' YP will "only" be current for 11.7 months in 2021. The only two solutions: Divert twice as many scouter-hours from program to YPT than National claims to require. Have a New-Year's party for all scouters whose YPT may lapse next year, and train them at one minute past midnight. That way you get two full charter years before you are nagged by council about those scouters again. Your charter will go in late, but that's council's problem not yours. @ParkMan, I've seen the hassles put upon district scouters chasing down those who let they're YPT lapse, it is hard work, but so what? To make their lives easier, should they take man-hours hours per year away from the thousands of scouters who do their diligence every two years? All for the 100 scouters who they need to hound November through December? All they are doing is transferring load to unit leaders to address a problem that is rather small.

That's an imposition of one of the following ... That's one scout meeting. (Or 1.5 if you're on one hour a week.) Two merit badge counseling sessions. Reviewing the first aid manual. Time at the waterfront practicing drills. A car safety inspection. Shopping for a uniform for a needy scout. Dinner with your spouse. Roundable Two 45 minute drive listening to what life is like for your SPL. If you really believe that scouters are forgetting their training after just one year, or that training is evolving so fast that everyone should take it yearly, that's one thing. But don't ever trivialize the imposition that it poses on a scouter. Multiply it by thousands of scouters and that's a real program that will not get done.

@awanatech, conflating YP (which is a modification of aldult association) with advancement gets us nowhere. Better to just say local impositions that are neither important to National nor mandated by the state make it hard for volunteers to do their job well.

Fix venturing? That would entail: - Allowing youth to meet independent of adults - Removing the distinction in applications between youth and adult participant - Limiting registration fee to the less than the cost of a campout or two large pizzas, whichever is lower. - Renaming awards Star Venturer, Life Venturer, and Eagle Venturer. Or, at least insist NESA extend its mission to support Venturing's highest award. In other words roll back everything that BSA has done to venturing in the past 10 years (except the One Oath Initiative, that actually kinda worked).

Contact your district executive and, possibly, your council president. Explain that you've done due diligence according to national standards. Explain that your parents are a bit frayed as it is, and so are your leaders as you all have gone out of the way to support them. Assure that any leader on your roster whose training is due this year will take it the month that it is due. And, that no other revisions to training will be submitted at this time. Worst case they suspend your charter until you comply, but at the very least you stall until you take the training New Year's Day.

@Sentinel947, previously, it was easy enough to keep a bunch of scouters and scouts on the rolls by turning in a charter with a reasonably small check. It didn't matter if they actually did anything to confirm their desire to be on the rolls. Now half of unit leadership is at risk of being dropped if YPT lapses. Within two years of leaders doing nothing a charter will not be renewable. On top of that, background checks have added to registration costs, so it's maybe 10 times as expensive to register. Some the increase has do with more than the imprative of modern YP, but it still contributes to a disincentive to keep a unit on the books longer than necessary.

I don't make predictions based on interim stats. We have another thread about a non-LDS unit shrinking below 5. How long will the DE let it stay at 3? How long after the unit says it's not turning in another charter before it's not on he books. When my crew disbanded, I let my DE know two months in advance to not expect a charter from us. It wasn't until late Februrary that he sent me the red form. I have no idea if that -1 was reflected in last year's stats or not. I'd like to think it would be in your interim counts by now. Maybe you haven't seen much obfuscation in DC. But, from what little I've seen, I know it can happen. It's a big country. The one good thing about the current YPT is that it forces a more solid head count. So we have a better chance at precision than in past decades.

@Hawkwin I'm not sure what you are trying to get at by clipping each quote and restating them as if your extension in a particularly offensive direction reflects my intent. I mean it's okay if you find them patently offensive. And I'm fine with you making arguments by extension. It's that I don't know what you think is the most important facet for me or anyone else to address. Since this forum doesn't offer sub-replies walking through each point is kinda hard to do. (FWIW, the forums once had a sub-reply feature, and most folks found it very confusing.) It's gonna take a while to sort it out. Again, not trying to discourage. Just letting you know that if you're expecting a point-counterpoint, it's not coming soon.

The problem here is "the world" was not wronged. It has nothing to forgive. It's only option is to sit on the sidelines while the media makes a circus out of these two people's lives. Given the many scouters who I've seen in similar situations as either perpetrator or victim (in real life, not newspaper clippings), I hope that one or two of them will realize that videos are not "a neutral location." Lacking in-person or arbitrated resolution, a courtroom is intended to be such a location, and the only thing that needs to be said is "Guilty, your honor." That will most likely be the course. @le Voyageur, the most reasonable tactic IMHO is to attempt to bargain for a plea of "battery", which would keep the defendant off of the registry. The prosecutor might accept that plea if this is indeed a one-off event and a pattern of sexual assaults is hard to establish. On the other hand, having put himself on the news, other women (or young men) might come forward to report similar behavior. In which case, I feel really sorry for the guy's family.

A neighboring SM had a lot of Chinese families and observed the same thing. He was pretty frustrated. I'm sure they also brushed him off because I think he was trying to sort this out with the parents himself -- explaining that they should step back from their sons a little, and they just brushed him off. A better strategy might have been coaching the SPL+ASPL to help each parent+child with the task. Often times when the scouting culture is alien to a parent, an older scout is the best emissary to instill that vision of independence and self-reliance.

@ianwilkins, I really wanted to ask my scouts if they had one in their wallets so that I could I could explain our expectations, but our boys barely carry their wallets, let alone a card they were supposed to have earned three years ago! Also, it was hard enough sorting out that what I called "mint tea" was what your countrymen called "tea with mint". (That was after traumatizing them by making sun tea in my clear water bottle.)

@TMSM, he "apologized" after he was caught. Then he got behind a camera to justify his actions. Probably because someone told him that was what you do to try and save your job. That's not an apology. An apology is an attempt to arrange a fair meeting on neutral ground with no recording devices present. Then, when the media hounds you, to refer them to the victim for any further public statements pending the resolution of any potential litigation. I've emphasized that to young women who were physically or verbally assaulted by scouts or scouters (or if they were guarding a public pool). They do not ... no ... they must not countenance such behavior. They can accept whatever apology, but it's their bosses (and ours, if it's our scouts causing trouble) responsibility to act on their behalf. It's been very hard to convince them to press the issues. They don't want to do it. But at the very least, I wanted to let them know that someone's in there court for when they do.

@mds3d Not trying to minimize ... impertinence may also be criminal. But, if this rises to the level of criminal, that makes a reporter's attempting to carry on even more disappointing. If the rule is "finish your job before addressing a crime," there are plenty of criminals counting on us giving them that margin. I am glad she called him out via social media, but I hunger for role models for our daughters who assert themselves the moment their honor is called to question. Obviously that's a very hard thing to do. But, IMHO, it would have been better live TV to at least hear the woman shouting "Hey $#$#$, Not cool, man!!!!"

Our CC said the same thing to our DE when they allowed a nice, but generally divisive leader to form a third troop at a CO within spitting distance of our troop's CO. Meeting on the same night at the same time as ours targeting boys from the same pack. Thank God that after about 3 years our boys and theirs had the vision to say, "This is is stupid."

Yeah. It explains more than it befuddles.

I disagree with @FireStone that the BSA doesn't need this. The organization is rife with volunteers who have impertinent moments. The world needs to know that. Youth protection makes it worse because you need more adults for every little thing, and the talent pool just isn't that deep. Doesn't hurt for the world to know that either. If someone is getting all high and mighty about this or any other behavior of our volunteers the reply should be, "If you can do better, here's an adult application." Secondly there were other people who saw this and said nothing. They wen't on with their race too busy to care. The reporter should call them out. In high school marching band, a judge once butt-slapped me as we were marching single file. My mates tried to diffuse the tension with a little humor, and it helped. But, it would have been nice if one of them would have said, "Sir, this isn't football. We aren't wearing pads. A tap on the shoulder will do." Thirdly, she's right to be offended, but was slow to react. I've counseled several young women to not countenance any such behavior on their job. Address the public promptly, firmly, and loudly. This reveals a cultural deficiency. In the Arab world, women are taught one simple phrase to shout in public. "Did you see what he did to me?" It can get a guy a solid beating for the slightest jostle. I knew a backpacker who had a little old lady do this because she didn't hear him and his buddy say "Peace be with you" as they walked through her village. They weren't sure they'd make it out alive. We need to imbue our young ladies with that same confidence. Fourthly, Whoever told the guy that getting on TV would be a good idea should be fired. He didn't offend us. He offended her and her staff. He and his wife should have asked in writing to meet with her, her boss, and her camera man to apologize personally. No interviews. Ever. If I were his CC, I'd ask the guy to have a sit down with the scout moms and let them know that they can call him on any other fast-and-loose behavior.