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U just said WB aw not suitable for a 20 y.o. NYLT is geared for a younger demographic (boys and girls, because so far nobody has relayed any reports where the coed/mixed program environment didn't work), so what to do with that 19 yo ASM or 17 yo JASM who is itching for a trek wants to do something of leadership training and only has one week to spare? Kodak seems like an ideal option. I'm not about to make a kid push extra paperwork to join a crew just so he could take a course. FWIW, I was advising a council ILSC course and the young ladies there were very much interested in WB. Rather than pointing them to NYLT, I suggested they hold office for a year or two and actually lead. Then, as their experience grew, they would be better position to choose a course that suits them

Depends on the nature of the injury and urgency. The rescue moves that you describe had the notion of moving someone from distances on par with from a house to the sidewalk. A quarter mile wasn't part of the specs! Longer distances? Make a crutch! Or a stretcher. Those folding camp chairs, and four guys can help haul a body a good stretch.

Bounce it off your son, he will have some idea of how things should work out. Ask for someone who has done bearings before who has a reputation for moving things along. If your son gives you a time limit, you need someone trustworthy who'll hold to that.

I think SMs sometimes feel like they have to convert a bunch of adults when really the only adults they need to convert are the few who are willing to hike eight miles into back country with them and their boys. PLs and SPLs, they need someone to help them get a vision for what they should do. ILST helps, but riding shotgun on the way back from camp with an SM or ASM for a sounding board is really really important. Then you don't sweat small stuff like the AC stepping out of line. Tell the CC that you would rather see things done differently and move on. If he or she passes the message along, fine. If not train your boys on how to respectfully disagree. Train the young ones to set high standards for themselves. Tech them to read the book, show the book, do the book (even if it doesn't spell something catchy like other inferior methods).

t61, Thanks for your service. I am almost in the same situation as you but for different reasons. My best parents (moms mostly) don't see themselves as leaders and aren't stepping up on crew committee. This pattern will have to change or the crew will fold in a couple of years. For your troop, do your best to enable the SM and ASM to go camping and hiking with the boys every month. All the other stuff falls into place if your boys can do that. Parades: find them, march in them. Is your CO a church? Talk to every young man (possibly young woman) about their interest in heading up a special ministry. Think out of the box. Have your boys plan a fall recruiting day for the troop. They go to school and hold an assembly demonstrating the stuff hey learned at camp. Maybe they set up camp in the playground.

First off, do y'all realize how little boys care about this? Second, there is no requirement in the the BSHB that says "wait patiently while your council verifies your progress.". so wether you are down to the minute with badge distribution or if it takes a month or two because you are in a backwater somewhere, you are no less trustworthy to the movement. Third, I just filled a report for the first Bronze award our crew has ever earned (yes, it's been 6+ years), gonna stop and get it today. Feeling' proud.

This is only partly about allocating funds. It's mainly about toning down rhetoric. - The treasurer was indiscreet talking about the cancelled check. The poor dear learned the hard way why those issues should be brought up at a pack committee or even only an executive committee. Betcha she won't do that again. - Fund shortfalls are everyone's problem. It is impossible to divy responsibility for them evenly. In your case, one family winds up $90 ahead of all the others. But that problem was resolved the minute you all decided to move forward with your program. - In effect, what you did was adjust your budget or let it run deficit and spend down your general fund. When one person doesn't pay dues, a portion of everyone's dues is automatically covers that loss. In the likely event that that family never pays, Every other family now must make up that loss (by doing without a program feature, paying more dues, fundraising more, or passing it on to next years committee). - Now, you've had a fund raiser and got a few donations. Last months foibles are so much water over the dam. But you would like the kids who stood out there and worked tables to get some benefit of the donations. What do you do? I would suggest a two-step approach: 1. Sit with your committee and determine how large the general fund needs to be before y'all head off to camp. Only put in from your fundraiser that which is needed to meet that target. 2. Use the rest to pay a lump sum for camp fees for the entire pack, lowering the cost of camp to each scout participating. Print each camper an invoice with line items for what was paid from the scout's account, what was paid from donations to the pack, and what is still owed. That way everyone feels the pain of a deadbeat equally, but they also feel the blessing of charity.

Because there is an Information technology quagmire that stands between a committee and any page they may want to control on scouter.org.

V, Spot on. The new shot-gun range and the climbing instructors -- mostly female this year -- held his attention. (Talk about your challenging outdoor program experience ) But he had plenty of down-time at camp. We're talking literally walking over to the fire-circle, sitting down and talking to a dad who he was quite familiar with for five minutes. The committee were dying to do his board of review, but (and I'm proud of them for this) like good adults they held their tongues. Anyway it is what it is. K, I tried everything you mentioned (including offering to get a waiver) with this kid. I don't think in his board of review, this kid will complain that we didn't try/offer them all. He just needed to build up the courage to get it done. Often that takes one thing that no "1st Class 1st Year" agenda can offer: time.

Never back down from the nuances of this great English language! Stand on your soap box (or in the scout world, inverted kettle) and say it proudly. Say "Chit" or get off the pot!

Following on http://www.scouter.com/forums/viewThread.asp?threadID=291838&p=5 ... Just had a 4th year scout finally suck it up and pass his swim test in the lake at camp. When he came out, I said, "Boy, you just swam that like a 1st class scout!" He could have done it in a pool at any time, but he wanted to win "the head game." Getting signed off for it any other way just wouldn't have been the same. Wouldn't you know that wasn't his last requirement? He needed to talk to someone about rights and responsibilities. We pointed out that there was a police officer among the adults in camp, but he put off meeting with the guy until the last day! Too late to pull a committee together for his BOR. Go figure.

Easy road test: Load up with two full gallon jugs of water. Walk about an hour. Adjust. Repeat. Fact is, once you get the length of the frame right, you will be constantly adjusting everything else anyway! Have fun!

Discipline is making right a wrong, repairing the damage, a time-out, a lost privilege, sending the kid home. No, discipline is the process of developing the ability to make a good choice. You are told when a bad choice was made, asked to make a good one, and failing that, you perform some productive act that helps you order yourself civily. Time-out, IMHO, is a form of solitary confinement. It's saying "You're not allowed to be one of us. You are a pariah. A blemish on our precious order." Push-ups or laps, may convey just the opposite. "Your one of us, but it's clear you're bucking the system. So, let's give you something constructive to work on while you deal with your hang-up." And if power and control forced on a kid is what you're against, why make them sit through a litany of announcements and those scoutmaster minutes that are always more than 60 seconds?

If a doctor says there is no chance the boy will gain the upper body strength to do one more pull-up, and the boy agrees, I'll get a waiver. Otherwise, ask the boy who does not grab that bar every day for 30 days straight if he thinks it's fair to the other boys if you cut him some slack. The kid may swim a mile on each stroke (relying on leg strength obviously), hike 5 miles navigating through The Crucible in the dark, know 500 wild plants an animals, can recite The Constitution verbatim, etc ... But if he is not busting hump every day for a month to pull his chin over a bar one extra heave, he's not a Tenderfoot yet. If he has put in 30 days straight with no improvement, then chances are there is some physical impairment. Help him overcome his pride get him to a doc or physical therapist to figure out what's going on in his body and get a waiver for the requirement. How is this complicated? P.S. - I sure do hope the other scouts in the troop would encourage that boy in every way they could think of. They need to learn that not everything comes "easy" for everyone.

"... to keep myself physically fit ..." We could see this discipline as a way of offering a boy an opportunity to work on part of the scout oath because the poor lad was having trouble with "mentally awake" or "morally straight." Heck, we could say forcing boys to sit and listen for one more hour (without electronics ) at the end of a school day is the true hazing, and granting an ADD kid the opportunity to knock off a few reps that he should be doing in terms of personal fitness anyway is a recognition of the boys needs. Like I said, not something we do in our troop for a kid talking out of line. For one thing, whatever the boy missed while running would have to be repeated. But, if your boys are comfortable with it and you're positive and encouraging regardless, I don't see the harm. I do see this fitting the style of a young SM more-so than an older one. (For me, I'd be really nervous if something slipped and it was me who had to drop and give 20 in front of the boys.)

No. A "do we need to discuss this with your parents?" has been good enough for most purposes.

I would have no problem with my venturers learning the patrol method. I could see a break-out session for crews to consider how the position descriptions would translate into the Venturing leadership structure. Neutral language painted with broad strokes requires a lot more maturity to process. Of course, we've underestimated our boys before...

Instead of skuttling a trip, have a backup menu in case the boys plan poorly. Liver an onions works best but is hard to keep. Dried soups or canned stew is always a good stand-by. Otherwise, remember those times 8 years ago when you and your buds might have driven Dad nuts? Payback has come early to you, my friend. Leverage your connections with OA and other scouters. Go to as many district roundtables as you can. If you have the time, join a crew or young adult group so you have a chance to relieve some stress. Get fed, so you can feed.

Is their really a physical barrier? If I were Kudu, I would say that placing the adult campsite 300' away should be sufficient. Any scout that wants to walk that distance should get the respect of being welcome by the adults. This may be your battle to pick. Get feedback from the boys (not just your son). Frankly, a cluster of adults by any other name is a committee. If they don't like the "C" word, call them the "Old Fart's Patrol" and declare that the SPL's expecting a song and a skit from each patrol (including OFP) at evening campfire. Also ask the OFP that you will to divide up responsibilities into "Parent Relations" and "Youth Relations". Whoever thinks they are better at one vs. the other can choose the appropriate patch.

Your scout executive or president of council are probably your best contact. However, if the charter org favors your cub master, council is likely to uphold his position. I can't see anyone higher up doing you any favors. BSA doesn't own any counties, so if y'all want to go fishing at the local watering hole, or go play in the park, they can't stop you. Your boys might miss a camporee or such (kinda dumb IMHO, that's $ that a council is not getting) but in my opinion you have no excuse for not offering the boys a great time with or without your council's approval. How does your new Cubmaster feel about things?

Because this is a camp counselor we're talking about, there's no way of telling how literally he'll take the requirement. Your son may get some minimally supervised 16 year old who couldn't tell NA tribes from Klingon. Or, he may get a detail oriented anthropology major on summer break. Sometimes a dad who is who is a MBC will volunteer to counsel so the staff can be free to emphasize other classes. I suggest you do put it to your son. Read him the req. and ask him if his family tribe would qualify. He might have to go to the library just to learn that one fact. Let him decide if he would rather touch base with a tribe in his vicinity. Support him as best you can. In the process, you will start him on his his own journey propelled by his own ethical fortitude. P.S. a hand-written report in a composition book is fine for a boy this age. The goal is to grasp content. There are no extra points for style.

I'm having similar issues. My approach is to work along the lines of #3. (Can't do much about #1 and #2.) Although "making" them do anything is useless. "Encouraging" is. I think PL's need to be able to "talk smack": Brag about their success in their patrol in a formal setting (e.g., during roll-call).

'fish. Yours and my troops are victims of week #1. Full of glitches. On the flip side, the staff is fresh and full of enthusiasm. First, I have real issues with Robotics at summer camp in general. Second, this camp was clearly not prepared to offer the badge. Staff should be able to apologetically drop a course from the schedule rather than put on that they can offer it in a timely fashion. The best remedy for this is trustworthy scouts, abandoning FCFY, and not making Eagle so important that one feels the need to violate the Scout Law to obtain it!

Do you also have a by-law about the menu that a boy may prepare for his patrol cooking requirement?

Love the canvas shorts. I haven't found much of a need for BSA trousers of any variety. Any conditions which I would feel the need to use them, I would toss on a pair of jeans or pull rain/snow pants over the shorts.