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Gotta ask. How many of you have a scout who goes without a POR for more than a month once he gets to 1st class? I understand boys may back off for sports season, but ours usually pick up another responsibility as soon as the season ends. Even before we had the crew, there were plenty of jobs to do. We NEVER worry about timing elections. EVER.

That'll be a relief to crew presidents who have trouble pronouncing "-urers".

Thanks. Pity this 64-bit machine did not come with speaker drivers!

Drop in on one of their activities. You hardly know anyone unless you've spent a night in the woods with them. If the SM asks, make it clear that your boys expected to sit in on a meeting, and that was not what happened.

'Bout twice a year seems to be the norm. Most boys are already in leadership by the time they make star, so their POR is jus a continuation of what they already are doing.

Try typing your post in a text editor, copying it, then pasting it into your post.

I tried my hardest to get a couple of boys to have their ECoH together in a panel discussion format. I'd put them, the SM, maybe a couple of junior ASMs in the "hot seats", and have the MoC collect questions from the audience.

SN, here's how this happens. 1. Some scouts never seem to be at service projects. 2. Some adults gets their undies in their bunch over it. 3. Some of those adults, instead of camping with those boys and maybe figuring out the kind of service they'd like to do, become administrators on advancement committees. 4. They get the idea in their heads that "hey we can use advancement to force boys to be better scouts." 5. Nobody told them how much all the bean counting can be come a drag on the program. 6. Someone asks for a rule. 7. Someone else makes it. 8. The rest of us have to live with it. 9. Some scouts just do the bare minimum service hours before going up for their next rank. 10. Repeat steps 2-8. Instead of "service hours", insert "recruitment", or "teaching other scouts" and you have half of the throw-away requirements in our current trail to eagle.

It's up to the scout, and therefore is often based on CoH's that he's already seen. I try to encourage scouts to think out-of-the-box, but most of our boys like an adult Master of Ceremony, a youth Sergeant at Arms, and a mixture of adult and youth participants. For a recent one, a boy's sister (also a Venturer) offered some special music. That was nice. Bottom line: Have fun, honor the Eagle, don't sweat the details.

Me neither. Sometimes I give advice based on how I've seen others accomplish a task, but the Sea Scout units I've seen in my area are fairly short lived. So, on the level of starting ships I will defer to other scouters. But, on a broader level, have you taken Venturing Leader Specific Training? This course covers starting crews in general and also outlines the Sea Scout program in the context of Venturing.

Well, with Boy Scouts an Venturing the ratio is 1:10 with a minimum of 2. But you have a point. I would suggest the SPL be responsible for collecting those signatures. Slots for boys don't open up until you have two adult slots filled. Then only open the number of slots for boys as the adults say they have numbers of seats. On a big-ticket adventures, slots are only opened when money is put down. If you bail, YOU DON'T GET BACK THE MONEY YOU PAID IN. You can sell your slot to somebody else -- presumably for what you paid, but that's none of the troop treasurer's business. If you don't sell your slot, you are at the mercy of the troop who may offer that slot to some discount so that the adventure moves forward. But, that all starts with accountability from the SM on down. Here, j649 is in the unenviable position of watching a train-wreck, feeling responsible, but having little time/$/energy to do much about it.

perdi, I know how much stuff costs. A black-and-white cover costs less. Our best monographs in my field (statistics) are 2-color at best. Why? Because very little of value gets conveyed via color, and it is more important to ensure accessibility to members of the field with limited resources. If BSA wants to get back in touch with cost-conscious parents, they need to convey that with a show of minimalism in their publications. Christine, as a counselor, you should get the book. The content is really designed to help boys who are new to the material. But, you may have a better book or magazine (or know of one in your local library), and you can suggest it. Point is, if you have the book, you will have an idea of how important it may be for the boy to have it. Worksheets are tangential to the boy earning the badge. They are just an organizational tool. Some boys really need them for some badges, but in most cases, they just get in the way. A notebook or tablet would do just as well. Like Perdi said, knowing the current requirements is the main thing. Sometimes a boy will call you and say something like "I have a partial blue card and need to complete requirement 2c." Although you should always have him tell you the requirement in words, it's a good idea to have a reference, just to be sure you're both on the same page!

Judging by the excessive number of hours our boys have logged (and that's only the tip of the iceberg compared to what I know they have actually done), they would not take it rhetorically and reply with a resounding "Yes, sir, of course!" The older ones -- who may be attuned to subtlety -- may take offense that you would even suggest such a thing. They would certainly not say anything. Well, maybe the more clever ones would reply "Respectfully sir, I'll let the MC's also joined in that project attest to my motives after I've left the room. Or, if you would rather table this board until you've joined me on next week's project, you are welcome to make a shoulder-to-shoulder assessment."

First of all, thank you for your service to our boys. And where your gonna get any juice to carry on. Those aren't just your boys your tending to. Your troop needs help. Your not getting it from those parents, your best bet is to ask around other troops for an ASM, maybe a reliable 18-20 year old, to help you on outings with the YP issue.

It's fair to say it's a little of both. There have been a growing number of Christian youth leaders who have been less comfortable with working in traditional models. The thought that "we can do something like this on our own" has been festering for a while.

Doesn't change how I'd do things. There's always an SFF or some other service opportunity somewhere, and who knows what else this young man did? Maybe he was most proud of this opportunity and he wanted to it to count. I can relate to Stosh's example. Our kids would duck out of church service once a month to pack bags from the food pantry for folks who would need them. Their only reward was missing the sermon. To my knowledge, they never counted that for credit for anything. Nobody said they couldn't, they just wanted their on-paper service hours to be other things like helping on Eagle projects. I will say that the more interesting SMCs were from boys whose hours involved non-scouting activities. These were typically older boys whose lives were starting to branch out a little. I think your SM did the right thing. Maybe a note to the boy's SM would be a good idea as well.

Oh, and they don't have any policy explicitly excluding homosexual boys from membership.

A friend's grandkids are joining one down in TX. If his boy's any indication of the talent they're drawing, it's going to be a top-notch organization.

Some scouters get fed up with all of the "Byzantine bureaucracy." They get fed up of shelling out $ for pamphlets. I kind of agree. I would far prefer pamphlets that are low-budget, black-and-white books because that shows a good faith effort that BSA is trying to make scouting accessible to everybody. I'm not a big fan of worksheets, because ink and paper is expensive, and they could easily be produced for pennies on the dozen. So would it hurt the scout shop to have items that sell for a nickle? But they don't. So folks get fed up of MBs starting with a $3.50 purchase of a pamphlet, and chasing down adult applications, etc ... But they they also miss the point of going outside of the troop for a resource, or calling somebody and maybe have them come and present their career/hobby to them, or maybe arranging a visit to a location related to a merit-badge. Scouting was never meant to be an insular, go-it-alone endeavor. There are other missed opportunities. In this thread, the OP would like to be an MBC, and one troop basically shut the door on her. That's a shame. Because if one of those knuckle dragging boys would have said, "Mrs. C. would you like to council us on __ MB?" Maybe she would not be so apprehensive about the age difference between them and her son.

Never thought to wear it myself. Never bothered if someone else does. Now, I have worn it with suit and tie on occasions where medals are worn.

If the question is would I let one of my boys count it: I'm not feeling so black-and-white. This is something where I'd ask the boy what he thinks about it. Are we taking advantage of someone's suffering? But is every service project in some sense not really service if you are getting some kind of credit? On the other hand, would the beneficiaries feel kind of glad that some good is coming of a bad situation? Is counting service hours really right? Why do you think we have to do it? How did serving in this way make you feel? Do you think this kind of service is something you want to do more of? In other words, I think it's more important you use the boy's record of his service as a way to reflect on his personal growth. If you spend a lot of time fussing over "this troop counts it, that troop doesn't", you'll miss the teachable moment.

By the way, sorry for your community's loss. I'm coming coming on the fourth year anniversary of ours, and nothing about it is any easier.

This is why I hate service hour requirements. They should be struck from the book. The true requirement should be "do a good turn daily". Why are you counting service hours for your boys? They have their own book, they can note where they served and when. (I know why we do it, to keeps parents busy ... ) If you really shouldn't be splitting hairs over your boys, why fret over this scout? Send him a note thanking him for his help, and let his SM be bothered with counting it or not.

KM, duration is the key factor here. A 10 day trip that comes to $35/person/day is pretty sweet. This is why crews need to get together and share their exploits. Stuff that is advertized nationally has added expense. Local opportunities may come cheaper, but chances are you won't hear about them on the internet.

There's this statement here. It kind of spells out the general thrust of the guide to advancement, which states: "Position of responsibility requirements for Boy Scout ranks may be met by the Venturer or Sea Scout serving in crew or ship positions as outlined in the Boy Scout Requirements book. The Advisor or Skipper conducts the unit leader conference. The crew or ship committee conducts Star and Life boards of review, and Eagle Scout boards follow the local council's established procedure."