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Boyscouts love paperwork ... So put it in writing. That said, this isn't that unusual. Ask the SM if he thinks the decision is reasonable. Usually, the SM conference nips these issues in the bud. It's odd that this issue wasn't identified before the BoR.

The world's rife with transgressions. But let's ask ourselves, why wouldn't we want to find a way to compensate all of those actors for their cinematic genius? If their work product isn't worth that much, why wouldn't we have some older scouts make a home-spun video with which to entertain our cubs?

Had to cancel meeting tonight. Roads were deceptively slippery.

To be honest? A simple matted picture of the den, with the boys signatures on the matting would make a day and last forever. If your having trouble getting all of the boys in one picture, a flip-book would work.

Talk to an SM whose had to contend with a bunch of 12 year olds who were broken that they couldn't complete the badge. (Water cold, weights heavy, lake to cloudy, etc ...) After a year or two of mopping up tears, I could see where he would want to get ahead of the curve on the next round of cross-overs. A young boy does deserve to make his case to the SM and change his mind. But, that also means that the he needs respect those times when the two of them just don't have the opportunity to talk about it. Understanding that a patch might not be forthcoming if that communication loop isn't closed on short notice. Anyway the boy supposedly has the skills. Maybe there's a more fun way to resolve this instead of adults blathering on in Byzantine litigation. He should invite the SM (or a larger surrogate) to meet him at the aquatics area and practice being his victim. Make a day of it. Bring his patrol. Invite the counselor, and bring everyone up to speed.

Thinking in retrospect having brought kids up in several styles of financial management.... Personally, I would rather see a fee with a thumbnail budget up front. (Exactly what you outlined above.) I'd be glad to pay that, Then, I'd be more than happy to fundraise to help defray costs for who can't afford it.

The court is not so naive as to make itself blind to such distinctions, so that really wont get around BSA's bias towards heterosexual/celibate theists (in the broadest interpretation thereof) as the exclusive role models for nation's youth. I certainly hope nobody turns this gun on judges who belong to the GSUSA; however, were they to do so, it would be a more nebulous swipe, because their form of discrimination against male leaders is more institutional than constitutional. That they exclusively serve female youth is not an argument against it, anymore than the NAACP chooses to exclusively serve blacks.

Is there even a judge in California who is a member of the BSA? Most judges I've met have not been. They typically keep their associations in general to a minimum. They've counseled MBs, but only recently was membership required to be an MBC. I hope BSA finds a way to waive that, because the one thing that we do want is for members of office to have opportunities to personally guide our nation's youth.

Yep, that's me. The more skilled guy wasn't willing to be our advisor. He has chaperoned a lot of hiking miles between him and his family. So, it evens out in the end.

Can state rules for candidacy be appealed in federal court, or does this have to wait until a judges is disbarred? I don't know much about a state's right to limit the freedom of association of holder's of office.

Out council's University of Scouting program is pretty good. Think day-long roundtable and you get the idea. We also have courses for youth: den chief training, venturing leader skills course, SPL forum. One hint: drop by the Dutch oven class. Sometimes they need help "grading" students.

In general, from Oxford: [h=3]Origin[/h] Old English ilca 'same', of Germanic origin; related to alike. So....

The OP is sparse on background, so it does bring up the question of motive. Lacking details, I'm willing to go with these being hypotheticals a/he has been mulling around. Maybe someone in the unit brought them off or said something had to be a certain way. 'm always of the ilk that if a governing body hasn't specified, I have latitude. BSA intends to ban homosexual leaders, so quarters for same-sex couples or triads or whatever is gaining equal status these days is a non-issue if I'm complying with the membership standard. If I'm not, then why am I worrying about tenting arrangements?

Our Crew's memorial day service project (graveside flags in and urban cemetery) draws LDS units. Haven't seen much of them otherwise. Back in the day we did camporees and service projects together, even had a joint worship service on a Sunday morning. Both my SM and the LDS SM kept track of both of us boys as we graduated.

Yes, yes, SMs don't need to go making up spur-of-the-moment rules. Parents also need to understand that just because "planning to ask forgiveness later instead of asking permission now" may be an efficient strategy many days, it will also backfire some days. This is one. The boy decides to take a MB in one week, calls SM before the holiday, no answer, goes to course, learns stuff (that may save someone's life someday, huzzah), comes back to SM with the "you were too slow" excuse and expects a badge for it. Hear's how I think this went down, really. ('Mom22, feel free to correct.) This course was offered to some older scouts. Mom got wind of it and said to these younger scouts "hey kids here's how we can fast-track your ascent to Star." SM doesn't isn't available, drops the call for 5 days, assumes that any scout who really wants to advance rank in the next week would have talked at the last meeting, whatever! Mom figures she can just assume she has/deserves the go-ahead. That's a lot easier than saying "well, lets just take the course for skills an not worry about patches. If you want to knock off a required MB, why don't we study the requirements for several of them, and you can practice doing them then start the clock once we have a blue card?" The SM and committee react like an old-boy's network. This guy's unwritten rule really goads. But, here's the deal. I've been a look-out at aquatics areas. I've seen a 14-year old guard's immaturity get the better of him and the director come down on him like a hammer. Distraction yields danger. That's the mentality. I've said as much to SM's over the years. I'm sure other guards have said the same, hoping that sinks in. So along comes this 11 year-old jumping the gate wanting to be credited for something a patrol will count on when they set up an impromptu swimming hole. I can see why the SM is coming from. So, Mom22, at your next family reunion, when everyone wants to take a dip in the pond, will you say "Okay, my son's got Lifesaving, everyone listen to him and we're good to go."? If so, then keep pressing for that patch. Otherwise, move on to support your boy for the next MB!

j649, we had this dynamic that didn't settle down until after SM's changed guard. Then the gripers realized that things weren't changing and we didn't care, and they found the door. (Unlike you, we had a core group of adults who still carried their weight.) Son #1 was old enough to pick up on what was happening, and eventually asked me why I put up with his SM. I simply said, "There are a lot of people who will try to sweet-talk you into resenting the sour-pusses. Bottom line: respect who does the work. Anyone else is just blowing smoke."