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"Preclude" means that, by specifying a class that language includes, one may make straightforward inference about which class is excluded. If the language did address any specific class it would be an exclusion. By stating clearly that the class includes members of foreign scouting organization's who temporarily reside in the US, the language precludes members of foreign scouting organization's who permanently reside in the us. But, suppose there is some other young woman who has been doing a bang up job in the scout association of her homeland. She comes to the US next year, joining a BSA4G troop. Her SM could go over her career so far, and determine what trail-to-first class achievements and MB's she would have earned. That could take a week or two. But, the participation requirements would have to be met "in a BSA unit". That woman would still have ahead of her the months of participation for Star and Life, service in a position responsibility, and demonstration of scout spirit. This waiver is quite clear that performance of those requirements as a member of another scout association do not count. There is just no way that this waiver as helps to "fast track" any scout's advancement - let alone one of a scout whose home address has been U.S.A all along.

Welcome to the forums. Although I'm not a big fan of the fill-in-the blank PDFs. The text in the project plan gives you an idea of talking points you may want in your meeting with the Cheif. Chances are he or she will be more interested in what you say than anything you have on paper. Be prepared with an opening that explains what you would like to do and why you think it's important. Then ask if you think your project would be welcome.

Let's blow some minds: why .pdf at all? When we (as in nearly every government-funded research project in the country) does a progress report, we do it free-form, often with a specific page limit, according to an outline decided by skilled bureaucrats and our peers. We number our headings exactly as they are numbered in the outline, and add sub-headings, text, etc ... according to our projects specifics. Then we save it as a .pdf, and upload it. But the only reason we do that online stuff is because we need peers in different parts to read it, and rate it, and we want to save on stamps. If we had to cut-and-paste the paragraphs of those reports into small boxes between lines of instructional text, our administrative assistants would be spitting nails! (They already give us cold stares when it comes to benchmark and budget templates!) I've seen boys write great project reports free-hand. The ones coming from fillable-forms are not head-and-shoulders above them.

There is an Eagle scout promoting him/herself as that.

So, your real problem is that you have ammassed a number of youth who haven't fully adopted a scout spirit. The more you describe the situation, the more familiar it sounds. This sort of thing can happen with any age/sex configuration. I'd expect this year to be a rough ride regardless of this scout serving as PL or APL. So, let your first offer be the PLC's -- with enthusiasm while admitting the job will come with challenges. If she accepts, bully for her. Your real work will involve those problem scouts who haven't been as friendly, helpful, or courteous as your PLC would have liked.

I wouldn't last a day. Whoever gets the kickback for hawking wasted colored printing on MBPs would stage a coup.

An acquaintance collects old civil defense films. They are sort of a nuclear age version of the BSHB.

'Skip, can you clarify one thing? How much of these concerns are your own? Have your co-leaders or parents raised issues? The age of a youth leader doesn't come up much in our troop. But when SPLs from the rougher part of town get elected, we hear about it at committee meetings. None of those conversations compelled us to replace a leader, but it did make the SM feel unfairly like he was under a microscope.

Because, really, an 11 year-old girl can't pick up today's BSHB or any MBP and work the program? Literature is peripheral. It will be more readily improved after girls have been members for a couple of years.

What in the scouter-verse is going to take more than 12 monts? Its the same program. Either a CO will have put in for the charter or not. BSA had better make this work with everyone's current cycle of rechartering, or they will lose scouters over the wasted time.

We're scouters. We've always been torquing to make it work.

When you actually see that a patrol isn't having fun! Even then, the first (or even second, third, or fourth) discussion isn't about reassigning leadership positions. It's more after action review: what went well? What didn't go so well? What should we do differently next time? (A.k.a., thorn, rose, and bud.) Get the patrol in a circle and have each member rattle off an answer to each question. This gives the PL feedback on the next move in leadership development. If you get a patrol to do this automatically, You'll have intervened without them even knowing it. If leadership change is needed, it will hopefully become the PL's idea.

I just had a conversation with a very young second class scout who already completed a term as PL. I'm not sure how youth-led his troop is. But it does show that other SM's are willing to let this sort of thing play out. The boy said he wants to try to be troop Scribe for a while. He's starting to get good at it.

You're twisting GTA 5.0.4.0 beyond its intent. We are to never accept work from a Canadian resident member of Scouts Canada. The guide is clear on the intended beneficiary: Youth from other countries who temporarily reside in the United States, or have moved here ... That wording precludes youth who never resided in the US, youth who permanently resided in the US, and youth who mostly reside in the US but temporarily (using the loosest possible definition of the term) leave the US to participate in another scout program. Moreover, it sets bounds on which ranks may be rewarded: Previous advancement work is reviewed to determine the BSA rank—up to, but not including Eagle Scout rank—the youth is qualified to receive. Furthermore, it is only intended to recognize skills acquisition, not participation, responsibility, or leadership: Requirements for active participation, position of responsibility, Scout spirit, the service project, and the unit leader conference must be completed in a BSA unit. Here's a "real-world" example of how I applied this last year: an exchange student already knew the oath and law (and the history of Scouting's origins and a whole lot of other stuff that our boys routinely forget) in Italian, so we reviewed those with the council venturing advisor and council committee chair. Everyone concluded that she didn't have to redo those for her Venturer award. However, her time since age 14, nor any meetings, activities, personal growth, etc ... in Italy would not count toward participation, etc ... for BSA awards. She would have to do all those here while in our crew if she wanted BSA's awards. It made scouting fun for everyone. Editied: I also want to point out that my example earlier (a BSA scout overseas away from his troop) didn't capture the intent of GTA 5.0.4.0.

So, 85K liked the flick? But, how much is that the movie vs. the cohort? Here's why I ask: Son #2's girlfreind is just being introduced to LoTR, and seemed rather tepid toward it. (E.g., "Why is there this woman elf all of a sudden?") Or, are there more "haters" out there these days. In other words, has America grown away from battles of extremes. Or, maybe they've seen enough of it in their "real" world, that it's no longer entertaining?

Well, my kids tested out of a few undergraduate courses. Some masters programs also accept work done at non-accredited schools. And, there are honorary degrees for those who contribute to the well-being of an institution or community through their career of non-degree service. Considering that ... IMHO, it would make better PR if they awarded Katrina Yeaw (or maybe some woman who applied earlier, but whose dad didn't make a court case over it) the 1st Female Eagle. Care about square #1 first, then wind justice forward meticulously. That would give Miss Ireland's Board of Review a little precedent to build from. If candidate zero doesn't deserve it by virtue of rogue-scouting in the wrong era, neither does the current batch of young women in rogue troops.

That will be our PLC ... not the BSA4G group ... just our boys ... and they'll add the beret. SMH dreading the day.

Depends on your bubble. My troop is at the intersection of a few. It's been interesting to see the mix of proponents (generally older, seemingly conservative types) and opponents (generally younger, both conservative and liberal) of BSA4G. Depending on who I talk to, BSA could be the rebellion or the First Order. This conservative-leaning Eagle scout's vote is goes back maybe even before Katrina Yeaw: we Americans should be in the business of achievement, not identity. BSA missed the boat on this one, and they've been playing catch-up for decades.

We often have the new scout patrol choose their PL from among their ranks, so that boy could be around 11 or 12 years of age. BSA no longer lets members hike or camp independently with their mates, so official solo camps are off the table. But, this is Western Pennsylvania, so keeping some clusters of boys (and, sometimes, their girlfriends) from soloing would be like keeping the wind from blowing. Those clusters, however, tend to be older. So, your instincts about pushing a young PL too hard in that direction are probably sound. The ground truth: most of us are only as good as our assistants. So, a lot of what you grant this PL will depend on how cohesive her APL and other scouts are. And, you only learn that through field testing as the year progresses. So, for example, if she gets her crew to snap together a shelter blindfolded, you can increase your comfort level with her on a nighttime insertion in the field. If her gang, on the other hand, are a bunch of ignorant thugs, you'll have to "shorten the leash."

No need to be sorry about the crew. They're growing strong and good. Some are just taking a much more circuitous route. The young women and non-scouts in my school district, however, seem to get interested in what Venturing has to offer after they have invested in many other activities that consume their time in a nickel-and-dime fashion. Devoting an entire weekend (and hours a week leading up to each weekend) in preparation for a challenging week seems to overwhelm them. They prefer to work the school's climbing wall and never worry about mountains. Also, I never really found my replacement. My boys' former SM has been a willing assistant, but the needs of our troop have been a persistent (albeit very rewarding) distraction. So, we're just going to focus on helping the older Boy Scouts get a vision for something besides summer camp and merit badge universities.

Oh, those youth movements that practically spawn themselves and the adults who won't say "no" to them.

Well there's no point in writing about something if you don't have a different take. Many others have a different take than TT, but many have the same take. Americans have a lot of religious anxt, and depending on where you live, you'll hear more about it than others elsewhere. @Tampa Turtle unlike you, I'm a fool for veiled heroines. Demographics, I suppose.

Sadly, my crew did not recharter this year. (It's complicated, but my one natural leader broke bad. The others couldn't/wouldn't regroup.) I'm still on our council's Venturing committee and am working to get three remaining crews in two adjacent districts to plan something together. So, you could say the sun total of our district's support for venturing is my spare time. :0 What would help? Scheduled yearly visits to every high school in the district. One flyer with the contact info of each crew.

Viva Mexico! I actually think the international organization clause is intended for the scout who did that work, but didn't get recognition in the other movement. E.g., traveling with the family to wherever for a parent's sabbatical, a scout was active in a troop and camped/hiked with them there, but could not really earn recognition from that organization because the stay was to brief or awards weren't given for that sort of thing - as is common with many older scouts in other WOSM organizations. When the scout returns to a US troop, leaders might want it to count for something, because the scout was, in a sense, staying active in his troop - albeit from a distance. In this case, the young woman went to another country and earned another country's award. She got due recognition for it. So, I can see why @NJCubScouter would be hard-pressed to concede that she is the class of scout for whom this exception was intended. Activity in a rogue US troop is more in line with the spirit of working the trail to Eagle, and if that doesn't fly, neither will stretching the letter of the "international scouting" clause.

LOL @The Latin Scot, I've seen so many adults masquerading as DLs (patch included) that a youth actually doing the job and being recognized for it hardly concerns me. But then, in high school, my youth pastor took the age of accountability quite seriously, and 8th-12th graders were given full responsibility for classes younger students over the summer. That included leading relatively deep Bible study -- if we had read the thing at least once, as well as field sports and athletics. Our first year leading, we would have an adult partner with us, but in subsequent years we would be partnered with equally talented youth. The main advantage we had over adults was we didn't know what we didn't know! Challenges from our class during the day led to some deep conversations among ourselves in the evening. Yes, I would like to know more details. Like, was she the only the leader in the room with the boys? What made it difficult for other parents to take point? What was her official title? When did she get it? Who suggested the "formal" recognition? Was the idea inspired by meeting scouts from other countries?