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ScoutNut, Thanks for the insight, might had mislead you about the "just for boys" thing. What I meant and have been told is that certain camp outs like Webelos Woods are for scouts only, that is boys only. YES boys MUST HAVE PARENT or Guardian with them, "they " could be male or female. But these camp outs are not the family type, so I been told. Thanks

BTW - You might want to see if your Wolf aged Bear will have any problems when it comes to earning his AOL and joining a Boy Scout Troop. While it might be easier for you, will it be better for the boy? Scout Nut, As far as your comment, let me tell you what has caused all of this, first mom has kept bringing up this age deal becuase it is in the book. Boy has been held back at school at some point I think? Yes he is in 2nd grade turns 9 next month. Mom was going to be my ADL for Wolves, but so far he is the only one. I have tried to tell her it is also by grade that they are grouped,she basically sounded like she might pull boy out of if he could not be in Bears. I called the DE explained to him what the story was, he said boy would be able to cross over when times come from age requirements and since he is only 1 in the wolves to let him join the bears. I asked if that would be problem, DE said no, so told the mom that he could according to DE, NOT ME. I am trying follow rules that I know of.As to him earning the AOL, or benefiting from all of this I can't say? What do you when parent are dead set on something like this? hate for the boy to loose out on scouting exeperience. One more thing boy it is sister that has came to meeting, we have tried to keep het involved with something else and she actually help with some things, As boys were washing up for snack notice she was in bathroom with them, told ALL KIDS that they some be seperate times for them to be in there. I just found out about a Webelos/bears camp out for just the boys and parents, so when I tell mom about this she will have to decide what to do, as I will tell her when he gets to Webelos, they do more of these things, not that they won't be any family camp outs, but there are those just for boys.

Thanks for the replies,at this point it is 1 girl and the brother is a new member of the den, he was going to be a Wolf but with some issues , DE said to put him in with us. In fact he was the only Wolf we was going to have, which it is easier on me since was running those dens also. My concern is the male, female deal. Trying to closely watch any miss behaven going on. C.Y.A. don't you know! thanks all

Hello, just wanted to get some feed back on you would handle having boys siblings brought to den meetings? I have 1 lady who has brought boys sister to 1 of our den meetings, I understand single mom and don't want make her upset or it a reason for her to boy out because , she can't bring her daughter. Right now it is not a problem, but if every parent brought their other kids we have no room, also affraid if she is allowed might think it is showing favortism. My thinking most kids when seeing others having fun, playing they want to join in also. Any advice how to handle this without upseting any one?

Snow White, Thanks understand that, I was confused on how I thought you said it. Thought you meant that say achievement #14 a,b,c,d,e for example you had to do 2 things on that one and you did a & b and applied those to your bear badge, system was allowing you to use c,d,e, for electives which can't be used according to book. Thought it was glitch in software program thats all, thanks for the insight though.

Hi here is what I am doing, I took craft sticks painted them yellow and blue and wrote the promise out a few lines at a time with a marker, Kid will have to unscramble the oath and when he does, will take a piece of cardboard glue them down on it and take a string attach it he hang it on the wall. Just make it fun. Like you new at this too, hope this helps.

Snow White, Have a question to you, you say the Scouttrax puts in all info in order, never have used or seen this software so please forgive me, but if the software is counting the unused parts of a certain achievement that was used for the Bear Badge they can not be used for the Arrow credits says the book. Maybe I have missed understood what you meant by your post. Please forgive me if I did, just thought that it was wrong.

If the boys WANT to do all the book, even the stuff they won't credit for, I say good for them. I am going to encourage my son to more than just the miminal amount so he can just it off, but I am not going to Make him do it all just for a EXTRA Badge either, just my thoughts.

rrelaljrksw, As Scout has stated about it can't be used for both. It is in the handbook, also it has 2 choices to sign off for,1 for badge and 1 for arrow point, which you were right about 1 thing, once boy has the done the things needed for that part and he is using towards the Bear badge, that # is done, can not be used again.

Scoutnut, Thanks that what I needed to clear up. I am not planning on those yet till we get there, just wanted to make sure when we did start WE was doing it correctly and was counting towards the 10 or had to do the complete series in that group. Thanks

Hi just want to clear something, before I tell someone a wrong thing.When a scout is using a achievement ,not for the bear badge ,(know they can not use the remaining parts left over from the bear badge) does each part get counted for 1 thing by itself to reach the first 10 to get Gold Arrow, i.e. say for example did not do #18 for bear badge, going to try to do parts B,D, H from # 18, does B,D, H count as 3 points towards the 10 or does the WHOLE thing need to be done? Appericate any help. Thanks

Hi there can feel your pain, like you I am running 2 dens do to no DL for wovles, have a asst DL, for wovles. I am doing wolves and bears, the only right now that have came up with is seperate nights, which means more time involved for me. I am starting this week, if I have only 1 wolf I might condiser combining the 2, but other that think 2 different nights might be a way to go, if you have time?? Good LUCK,

RE: Many hats, Thanks we have thought about giving awards to best seller, but to be honest with you, I don't alot of boys have done any , or did not know if they was still going to be a scout or?? Personaly I think my son has outsold everyone else, Don't to put a offer like that out there knowing how it might turn out.If we decided to do that, some might think it rigged, maybe not?? Don't want to get anyone a reason to gripe. Do like the ideal of paying half or recharter fees, though.

Kbandit, thanks for the reply, question though what do you do if some boys don't sell any say popcorn or just don't want too? My thought is that some parents may get mad that some one else's son is "carrying there son" if that is the right thing to say? We have ben told that fundraisers like pop corn helps parents/boys pay for there way, i.e. dues,camps,etcc. This is why we have been selling with our son, like many parents in our pac, lot of them single parents, parents been laid off, or 1 parent working,etc.. this way to afford scouts. Considering we are new pac and all, promblem right now is when we start taking dues how many boys are going to pay on time, it would be easy if all boys paid for there yearly dues upfront then we would know how much we had. I am just trying to make sure that the boys selling are rewarded in that there dues, camps are paid for if they sell enough or help off set some money needed to for a certain thing. You that have been in scouts may know better than me, and for some packs it may or may work them? I can't see why some boys get the benefit of those who CHOOSES NOT TO TRY TO HELP THERE PAC. It one thing if everyone pay there dues and thats it, that may be there only thing they want out of scouts to do the basics, but believe it is unfair that others that want to be able to go to camp and tries, does fundraises to be able to so mom and dad don't have to pay out more and more everytime, as you all know scouting can be rather costly. Keep in mind that I am not saying all proceeds from popcorn sell goes into boys accounts, but a certain amount or % of it to cover the dues cost, least that way we know what we have, and some boys might not want to go to any camps, money could be used for uniforms. Guess I look at things different, but thoughts were being tought to PAY THERE WAY.

Hi as to SCOUTNUT'S reply, why would you not use a account for a scout? Think it would not be fair to the boys earning there way. Are you suggesting that ALL money earned goes into the general fund? Please clarify for me. thanks

How is the easiest way starting from scracth, same way? Also how do keep the boys accounts seperate from the general fund just by paper. i.e. general fund is XXXXX and of that little johnny has XXXXX in his account , so the acutal general fund is XXX thanks.

HI, sorry to hear all of these problems, like your self, our pac is having problems, but it is a new pack, and people not stepping up to help, lost apps, DE no longer with council. I wish you all the best and like I have told the others leaders in pack do the cub scout saying DO YOUR BEST! all you can do, people can either be part of the problem or resoultion, best regards BEAR DAD

here is the latest. We have the paper work to be signed by the CO , good. Have someone to help for treasuer spot, great. The bad thing is the FD has only found about 7 adult apps and about 6 boys, don't know where they are so far from what we been told. Seems like we are not getting the WHOLE TRUTHFUL STORY from either end.How do we let boys in without having all paper work?How do we handle parents saying they paid or won't fill out a new app or why should they? Got a feeling all this mess is going to blow in our face. personally I not letting my wife take the wrap for all this mess being she is the CC. right now feel like pulling out my hair. If the FD can not help who is over him or where do we go from here?

when do we get a charter print out? we have been told the school pta is signing off on the CO, we are trying to get access to more time to hold meetings.

As to the count think thers is 5-6 Bears and 3-4 Wolves We don't enough room at meeting place to have both.. Have a meeting friday night, hopefully we can get a solid commitment out of 1 of the asst, dl's? Heard more news on this ordeal but don't have time to go into now.Keep you updated.

Okay here is what has happened since, wife and I both has talked to the FD at this point. He is sending a UC to meet with us the leaders as we was going to have a meeting anyway to get stuff scheduled for meetings and etc... The FD told us it was okay to start den meetings and that some help would be given to us to help us start out. One of the hold ups about the CO is how it was written up which involved a PTA thing, but we have a problem as they want to limit the day and time for meetings and probably could not have a pac meeting due time frame at night to have one. Church has been contacted, but guess it is up to their board if they want to charter us, which we would have to wait till October to find out. Fd said he going to speak to church as see what can be done at this point. We do have 1 other person said there church might be willing to be the CO, so we are also looking into that as well. Least feel a little better, but till we have everything in place and going, be kinda weary. 1 other thing FD said we had a enough DLs to run pac but we don't have a Wolves leader only have couple of asst possible, how would that work if you had to combine the wolves and bears? how do you try to help 1 over the other and far as advacements or just in general?

Update, wife spoke to FD, he said he has only found maybe half of apps, don't where the others are, grant it that we ourselves don't know how many was turned into the DE, because we did not see everyone that came to sign up when we had the sign up night. The FD has told us a different story on the DE situation, which really don't if that is his answer do to privacy matters or ? All we want is to be told to go ahead or not too and the pack is go to go.The popcorn selling deal is people has taken orders, which still has not been turned in yet, not sure how parents are going to feel as this was a way to pay for scouting and maybe the only was some are be able to afford it.That is not fair to the boys that have went out and sold it, and the buyers. We have a ideal on how to charge dues till we charter and by that time we would which boys have sold and how much they earn and would be applied to following year which could be paid for all together. Can say people are not happy in how this been handled or came to this without anybody knowing anything.

Thanks for the help. Wife had a phone call from a field service rep, said he was going to let into it. Will call him later today to find out what going on. As far as the DE is concerned, talked to him some more he is meeting with us and the leadership team to hopefully shed some light on the problem. He has stated to me that he his willing to help us to get this pack going even if he his no longer a employee. He sounds like he is concerned enough to help, but I still have a problem how all this being handled. I will call the Field rep and ask should we go ahead with meetings. Thannks

Hi everyone, here is the deal as you might have read in another post we are starting pack. Okay been slow going with issues getting help and such, to make matters worst the DE might be loosing his job due to cutbacks. Been trying to reach him to see how everything is coming along and have been having trouble reaching him. Finally got a hold of him and he told me the bad news, he said everything is a the office and he can't get to it, as the officals are keeping him on hold. We have boys and adults apps and money at this office, my wife had to take a couple more apps to office and asked what was going on, Lady at desk did not know, got her in touch with a guy said he look into it. This is making the scouts look bad right now in some parents eyes. They want us to sell pop corn ,which orders are due in about 3wks, yet done of the dens are having meetings yet? Top that off the CO, which is going to be changing next month so the pac meeting place is on hold least to november. Think this whole thing is going to blow up in our faces, for me I would probably just move my son to different pack and help out if we dismantled, if parents wanted to pull out. Just fell sorry the boys if that happened, any suggestions?

That is about what I figure it will take a least $50 per scout for the basics, than can use money they earn to help pay for this or camps etc.. But committee still has to come up with a cost still.