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Hi all, need to ask a question about tent sleeping arrangements I might have overlooked the answer to? First I DO NOT want answers to ADULT and Youth sleeping arangements! Know the answer already. this apllies to Webelos. Can a Webelos scout sleep in his own tent? I can see where having 2 boys in a tent is good for protection issues, but incase of a boy wants to or for the way it works out they end up in a tent by themselves is it okay? Again maybe overlooked the area in G2SS all I know is the adult issue,please don't respond to the adult part, Thanks

our council has informed us that to recharter come jan/feb that all leaders, dl,cm,cc,etc.. will have to be trained for their roles in order for us to recharter. not sure if this is a national thing or what they are going to require?

jeasouly not likey, stirring the pot?, Unmarried adults of opposite sexes wouldn't be tenting together anyway, This is why he bought a 1 person tent, from his mouth.

Lisa BOB,Moosetracker Thanks for the advice,Lisa the comment I was refering too was a little different from what was orginally said. There was someone who saw this lady as it was said to me " had her hands all over him" during and outing. I can not comment on that as I did not see it, and from whom witnessed it, not sure what the meant? Not going to make a deal of it, but will tell you this young man went out and bought a single person tent, before this so HE and ONLY HIM SLEEPS IN IT! maybe he has a concern? Moosetracker, Yes I have told him he could do all his training on line, he has said he would but never has. He tells me that he will have it done by xxxx, not me asking but from his time frame, I am okay with that, just as long as he does it. perdidochas: What business is it of mine, None- outside of scouts. While we have scouts going on, meetings, campouts etc,, believe it is my business if the 2 of THEM, can't focas on what we are there for. No it is not all his fault, it takes 2. Let me also make note the age I am referring to mom- in mid- to late 20's boy 20

Need some advice on these topics, First have a young man who is going to be my a ASST. DL in the den with me (webelos), he has registered and even got a shirt, went pack camping with our pack. I am having a problem getting him to do his training aleast the online things, YP,etc.... I know the importance of this and made it clear if he is wanting to do this he needs to get this done!!With all that said, if he still does not have it done when our den starts meeting, can I or do I have any say that he can not help me since some or all his training not being done, especially YP as he is in direct contact boys? now the other concern, same young man involved, a mom has express comments about this young man, about being good looking, nothing has happened to my knowledge about a relationship involvement. My concern is when we go den camping how to make sure their is no conact between the 2 and make sure this does not become a distraction when we are there for the boys and doing our program? Don't think I could tell her she is not welcomed at the campouts, but have to put boys interest first. Any thoughts??

raisinemright, First off hope everything works outs in the new state, job thing. Hope your start is better than ours. We was at roundtable last night and only a hand full of people was there, which seems to be the normal thing.Not that I saying you have to go to roundtable to become a great leader, in fact some of what they have is boring to me. The other side is I hear about things and the networking I have started has been vauable to me least. Think in both cases packs/troops you need help!Think that is what we are lacking most of all.You can't force someone to help, they need to be willing.The best thing I can think of is getting a parent involved someway and having them see the results of there work paying off for the boys, is the best thing.

raisinemright, First off hope everything works outs in the new state, job thing. Hope your start is better than ours. We was at roundtable last night and only a hand full of people was there, which seems to be the normal thing.Not that I saying you have to go to roundtable to become a great leader, in fact some of what they have is boring to me. The other side is I hear about things and the networking I have started has been vauable to me least. Think in both cases packs/troops you need help!Think that is what we are lacking most of all.You can't force someone to help, they need to be willing.The best thing I can think of is getting a parent involved someway and having them see the results of there work paying off for the boys, is the best thing.

Thanks for the comments, like I was saying not looking at doing this, but just tring to compare the effort it takes for packs and troops. For me it is has been like pulling teeth just to get our pack going,of course it could be easier if we had more people to step up and do something. Thanks

Hello, I was wondering from those who has started a BS troop from scratch what all does it take? Let me say I am no way considering this as but only trying to compare this from starting a new CS pack from scratch, (which is what I am a part of now). Guess you have some of same struggles in both, how have some you that been thru it, start with camping items, tents, trailer, etc.....? I figure with all that goes into starting a troop it would be harder for them as it would be in cs packs. Just becuase of gear and such, I ran into a SM for a local troop he said that what the troop is using right now is mostly his stuff. They are working on getting more stuff, just bought a few tents. The other side is how the boy lead program works as you might only have 5, 6 boys to start. Anyway just was thinking about it as I have helped started a pack from scratch and what it has been like. Thanks

Scoutfish, Yea the couple of trips are close , the lake I am going to does not charge for scouts, there is one that does a couple of bucks which is close so the gas savings offset the cost. ASM59 Thanks for the insight, I am with you on the 80/20 thing for sure!! We have only 2 den leaders for 3 dens. The Tigers dl quit, so I stepped up and did it this year. We have 2 boys in that den which I told both parents I am not doing the Wolves program, I am doing alot with other things within the pack . Told parents that could do it together as they been doing this stuff with other sons in my den all year long. No wonder why leaders and others get burned out so quickly, they are overwelmed because parents want some one else to do it and then gripe when it is not done the way they would have done it. That the point THEY DID NOT DO IT!!

ASM59, How did that work out for you? Did some of parents get the message or still get the deer in headlight face? let me also ask, to you all the people(PARENTS) who complain about costs and such, do they help within the pack as a DL, Comm, memeber, etcc.. or is just me that they will not step up and help out, but they are there when the time come to complain or wonder why things are done or not done? You can be part of problem or part of the solution!

Thanks for the replies.Think from some of your posts , I would say that yes I am talking about people that are getting by, and those who say are they are, but yet have all the JONES'es stuff. In my family there is 3, I am only one that works outside home. Don't make great money but getting by and I can pay my dues for son if needed, he has enough in his account to pay if he needs, infact he has a couple of times. Yes I think scouts are a good bargin to a point. Yes scouts don't have to go to camp to be in scouts. I am planning on a few webelos trips after summer told parents that there will be a small cost for this as I am not paying for all the food and gas. This is so that don't have a excuse to say did not know it would cost anything. Also stated that did not have to go on all of them as things come up. This are close trips that will cost about $15 total for each trip. Our pack dues are $5.00 a month plus recharter fee.We are trying a very basic program which boys can earn some loops and pins, boats and cars. and B&G, everything else is optional and extra. We have a hard time collecting that, can't get people to pay up front that would be nice. What I have hard time with is parents that knowing that scouts costs something and complaining about $5.00 and having kids in 2 or 3 different things. If that is case don't put them in scouts, cause you are already in to deep. Likewise if you are having a problem paying dues, you should be willing to help with fundraisers and such to try to pay your way.Think that what bugs me the most, people won't even try to help that come expecting they are entitled.

Hello, as I write this I have made a observation about our pack and wonder if this pretty much the norm for now days for packs out there. We are fairly new pack, small at that have about 12 different families, out of those only 3 have both parents in them. We have several single fathers in our pack which thought that was interesting.I see how some struggle to get by, even me and I am married and only person that works(outside of home) yes thank God for moms that stay at home!! These days it is hard to get by with 1 source of income, but it also what you are working for?? This is what I see that parents have a tuff time paying for things, if they can hardly pay their dues, how to you ask them to go a camp that costXXX amount? Yes boys could and should fund raise, pop corn or??. At the same time I see National roll out a whole new crop of belt loops for boys to get. Let's face it some belt loops are in my since just a money making thing for someone. Belt loops are pretty easy to get. My point is somewhere down the line the parent will pay for it one way or another.These days where jobs have been lost and 1 parent families it would seem, that we have a lot of boys who just can't afford to be in scouts. Even if you can pay for a couple you can't have them just going wild getting loops at pack expense. Do you think that National should hold off on new things like loops, etc.. seems like it is just a BLING Bling thing. Maybe I am wrong on this, just thought about the single parents, and then asking them to shell out more$$ for stuff they really don't need or can afford?

Frankscout, Question regarding pizza ideal, what type of heat do you use for this? Do you also mean you use alum, pie pans inside and do you cook just 1 at a time of can you more? Thanks Bear Dad

Thanks for the comments. Think I will take one with me to try it out. I never have used one, my asst, has. I am not going to try real hard dishes but let them see what a DO is what you can do with one and how to cook with it. More of a cooking demo and let help with the prep work,show them and teach them how to. Not saying that everytime we will use them, but it will be something new and cool. When I asked about why they could not, could tell they did not know how to repsond.It is one thing to "suggest" they should wait or can't, it is another to say it is againist the rules. Funny thing is have lot active boys that want to go camping, and tell us to not to camp to much as it might spoil them for BS.Thought that was the point to prepare them for the BS side to come.Not saying camping every month, but more than a couple times also.

Hello, Have a question about dutch oven cooking with webelos.Can they cook with them or not since they are using charcoal? Maybe I overlooked the rule, I know they are allowed to use charcoal and not gas, or liquid fuel. Some one told me that is was not okay, but could not give me answer as to why. Told them if they can use charcoal why not dutch ovens, they told to save it for BS. Think it would be neat and useful to show a few things, not all the time when we camp, just once in awhile thing.

I agree with you about that in regarding whats in it for them. Last year we started our pack when popcorn sale was going on. Parents knew about it, but personally, don't think even cared or even bothered. Now skip ahead to the present we have cub scout summer camp coming up. don't any boy expect mine will go.he has the money to go, he worked for it. I know there are camperships out there, but you can not count on the amount or if even you get one.Also don't want parents thinking these will always be there for them. Boys and parents need to do what they can to HELP THE PACK GO.

When we first started last year, we had our first popcorn sale we had 4 boys out of 16 that sold. We opened accounts for them couple sold enough to pay for dues and 1 other sold enough to go camp and dues. Our CM told the pack at last meting that popcorn sell are coming soon and this is what can happen when you sell. trying to get parents more involved in this years sale,as it could benefit them in long run for not having to pay for a lot of things.Shoot it is hard enough to have them pay their dues on time each and every month. Maybe this way they can get the message.

Scout Nut, Thanks not sure on the training courses, just keep hearing about different courses out there, people don't make it clear as what they are talking about? There is a University of Scouting later in year that is somewhat you described like a Super saturday event. Lots of different courses as well as the basics, plan on doing some of those. just trying to get all the training(help) I can to make a good experience for the boys this year. Thanks

Just curious, What other training is out there for webelos leaders? My council has the basics and WELOTS/IOLS. Which is what I will taking this weekend, but curious what there is out there besides that? I am planning o doing several campout and visting several troops, want boys to have good experience, but have to admitt that there is LOT of bad or no training from our council. For a new DL seems like not much help with training other than make sure you have YP done. That can make a new DL think they are not doing a good job and want to quit, which if that is the signals he puts out, scouts will pick up on it aswell.

sounds like a plan, good luck to you all.

bbender, Sorry if I took it wrong? Sometimes we think something and write something else. Think you would agree that one would wonder if boy has the badge, it meant that at somepoint he recited the stuff, now he has cold feet, new enviorment? Totally another if can't say a word.

bbender, you say that the AOL was then, what about the now,isn't still required today? Why would they put that in the required part of the AOL if it was not required till later? That is part of the AOL requirement today, as I said boys may stuggle, mess up when reciting them, but that is different than boy having the badge and saying he knows it, and not being able to recite any or all of it.

The requirement doesn't say be able to say it when they enter Boy Scouts. Keep working on it, they will start to remember< Show your knowledge of the requirements to become a Boy Scout by doing all of these: Repeat from memory and explain in your own words the Scout Oath or Promise and the 12 points of the Scout Law. Tell how you have practiced them in your everyday life. If boy has AOL should he not be able to recite from memory the law or promise if that is what is required? Are going to make mistakes or fumble or get cold feet, Sure you bet. It is another thing all together if boy has a badge that say he has done something and then not be able to do what he has gotten reconition for.

"j", I am with you on this, maybe you or I got the wrong impression? I only posted the above as a response good or bad to the above posts. I agree if it say memorize and recite, that what needs to be done.My reference about school is about those who don't know if they actually know it? In our den we recite the law, oath (which is bears) at EVERY meeting. All boys know it and say it if I had to asked them to do it on their own they could. When they start webelos will do it the same way, by the time they get to the AOL stuff they should know it, just practice and more practice over time.