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Interesting. I can't edit the post anymore. So now I will add that when that new forum appears, I will encourage moderators to apply a 'stronger' standard of decorum to it.

FWIW, I did contact Terry about Fred's suggestion and Terry responded favorably. He just didn't know when his people would get the time to add a 'New to Scouting' forum. But at least your request has not gone unheard.

KDD, As a practical matter Sentinel is right. It's whatever the CO decides. OTOH, IMHO someone who is convicted of DUI is likely to have engaged in this behavior prior to getting caught, perhaps many times. This is a pattern. It could be an addiction. I think it is possible for a 20-bopper to make some stupid decisions and later in life to 'turn things around'. That would be just great for them individually and I commend them if they can do that. On the other hand, in this case I tend to err on the side of safety. If I were the CO I would disqualify someone until they convinced me that they have changed. And when it comes to substance abuse and the powerful pattern of deception associated with it, I don't convince easily. So my answer is: It's whatever the CO decides but if it's me, there is no expiration date.

I would add to stOut717's offering this site as well, nothing wrong with those shirts: http://www.keep-a-breast.org/programs/i-love-boobies/ I don't drink alcohol or use tobacco...guess that makes me even more boring than I seem already...but to IM_Kathy I ask if she has ever tried to quit smoking? If not I would encourage her, for her sake and the sake of her family, to try it or try it again....and succeed. I'm pulling for you.

"DUI's are not disqualifiers to being a scouting volunteer." It is a disqualifier for THIS charter organization and I suspect others as well. Someone with that behavior is a 'hand grenade with the pin pulled' and anyone who doesn't understand that risks a very unpleasant and avoidable surprise.

I'm reminded of when I was CM and the negative reaction that arose when we decided that pack dues would be $40 per year or $0 (zero) if they sold popcorn. Angry calls about how they thought the policy was obscene, etc. I have to admit I was surprised at how angry they were.

Good suggestion, Fred. But keep in mind that the moderators don't have that kind of control. We can make the suggestion to Terry but it will carry more weight if the suggestion comes from others as well. So I'll pass this good idea on and encourage you to do the same. Also, this offer is open to anyone else who sees merit in the idea. Thanks.

A DUI is always relevant regardless of when it happened. The other stuff is just part of the same profile.

I am fairly confident that no one finds answers in alcohol.

I'm wondering why this question in the first place? To the OP, do you know of such a situation or perhaps a CO that is considering something like this?

Wow, my apologies. Normally, this kind of thing doesn't go 'off the rails' like this. You just never know.....

Brewmeister, me too on that $100s thing. Does anyone mind if I move this over to the CubScouting forum? Edit: looks like the duplicate thread went bad and the OP has left the forums and moved on. Say la vis.

Anyone who can't go a few days without alcohol needs to look for some other passtime...youth AND adults.

How about I raise the fickle finger of fate and get ready for action? Y'all play nice now...y'hear?

OK, to my friend Fred Johnson, I remind you that during of that famous case in front of the US Supreme Court, it was BSA which officially claimed that it is a private religious organization. The Supreme Court accepted that claim and found in favor of BSA. So as far as I'm concerned, this is a settled matter and the only way it can change is for BSA itself to 'go back' on that statement. They haven't and I doubt they will, at least probably not in my lifetime.

I don't know about da Vinci but I'm fairly certain that Michelangelo was a Pastafarian: http://jcnn.com.au/international-2/i...hetti-monster/ I'm less certain about the obscure Greek gardener, Capernicus, who popularized capers as part of a well-balanced diet. He's often confused with Copernicus, an infamous Prussian who incorrectly dared to challenge the obvious truth that Earth is the center of the solar system and most significantly created the system of hand signals that in much later times was adapted for use between pitchers and catchers.

You have three options: Join in on the activity, become a 'whistle-blower', or quietly back away from it and watch to see what happens. The last one is the 'do nothing' option and I suspect most would take that one. Me, I'd be reluctant to take the first option unless I was convinced that I was right and it was legal. If I was convinced it was NOT legal I might have a discreet conversation with the council to make sure they were on the same legal page and if they persisted, knowing what they were doing was illegal, I might blow the whistle. But if I just didn't have time to devote to this, I'd probably take the third option. Just like so many others.

DO NOT (and I can't emphasize this enough) allow something like this to eat you up inside. Step back and become more objective. DO NOT take this kind of thing personally...it is NOT your failure but rather the failure of others and you should not shoulder any of the burden of blame. If you don't take my advice you will flame out quickly and exit bitterly. I've seen it happen. Always remember that the people who failed these boys are OTHER PEOPLE, not you, and that you have virtually no control over what they do or what they fail to do. Instead, take pride in the good things that YOU have done. Experience the joy of the cubs that you serve. Watch their faces, their expressions, their discoveries, their own personal joys. Take pleasure in the fact that you DO serve them well. You can't save everyone but you can tend to the ones you have at hand, especially your own family.

I hope that was supposed to be a joke. Please clarify.

You do know, don't you, that was 10-15 minutes of your life you'll never have again?

Agree with R'Schiff. Enough already. This unit has been lucky but I know others who've lost their gear this way. And I have plenty of friends who have been the victims of thieves - me too. It's time to catch these slimes and force them to view the world through barred windows.

Robin, "Gee Batman, doesn't she know that crime doesn't pay?" On the other hand, if you hear the sound of an armored vehicle moving through your front door, you're probably toast.

Does your CO already have insurance for themselves? Or are they currently 'taking their chances'? The CO for this unit is a church and our trailer is covered by them when it's parked on their property.

Live it up while you can. The cubs are the best of all and it doesn't last nearly long enough. Welcome to the forums.

I know this doesn't make things any better but I've been there myself. I tend to agree with jblake47 on this. It's better to just shrug off the parents are aren't really interested and focus on the boys and families who are. And if you have a strong committee, I also agree with Old OX. Try not to burn out yourself. The cubs are, IMHO, the best part of scouting and you don't want to miss it. First thing you know they'll be...horrors...teenagers.