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Thanks, Trevorum .

Thanks, Merlyn .

Hey, can anybody else on the forums either verify or squelch the allegations made in this email I received today? I need to decide who my future coffee vendors will/won't be. Thanks. Subject: FW: Starbucks Coffee Guess I will not be drinking Starbucks anymore! ! ! Recently Marines in Iraq wrote to Starbucks because they wanted to let them know how much they liked their coffees and to request that they send some of it to the troops there. Starbucks replied, telling the Marines thank you for their support of their business, but that Starbucks does not support the war, nor anyone in it, and that they would not send the troops their brand of coffee. So as not to offend Starbucks, maybe we should not support them by buying any of their products! I feel we should get this out in the open. I know this war might not be very popular with some folks, but that doesn't mean we don't support the boys on the ground fighting street-to-street and house-to-house. If you feel the same as I do then pass this along, or you can discard it and no one will never know. Thanks very much for your support. I know you'll all be there again when I deploy once more. Semper Fidelis. Sgt. Howard C. Wright 1st Force Recon Co 1st Plt PLT PLEASE DON'T DELETE THIS . . ALLOW IT TO BE PASSED TO ALL IN MEMORY OF ALL THE TROOPS WHO HAVE DIED SO THAT WE MAY HAVE THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE TO SUPPORT THEM OR NOT! ! ! Also, don't forget that when the Twin Trade Towers were hit the fire fighters and rescue workers went to Starbucks because it was close by for water for the survivors and workers and Starbucks charged them! ! !

I enjoy the Ed and Merlyn show. It's my daily dose of Scouting entertainment. It reminds me of the old American radio comedy program, The Bickersons, with Don Ameche and Frances Langford, which I miss dearly.

Hi Lisabob, I was a Cub Scout and a Boy Scout growing up in Cleveland, Ohio, in the late 50s and early-to-mid 60s. My fondest memeories of Scouting at that time were mostly about camping, boating, and fishing with other scouts. We did a lot of this up on Lake Erie during the spring, summer, and autumn months. High school and other interests together with the fact that our Troop didn't have much of a High Adventure program contributed to me leaving Scouts after I achieved Second Class rank. Thirty plus years later, I was fortunate enough to find a Pack and an associated Troop for my son in Southwest Ohio that had a great High Adventure program. We camped, hiked, backpacked, rock climbed and rappelled, caved, canoed and kayaked, shot archery, rifle, shotguns, blackpowder, and did lots of other mountain-man stuff. On top of all that, every year we did one high-adventure trip like white-water rafting on Class IV and V rapids on the New or Gallatin Rivers, backpacked and climbed 12,000 feet into the Rockies in Yellowstone and Grand Tetons National Parks, canoed and portaged over 60 miles at Northern Tier in Ontario, Canada, sailed and fished the Atlantic at Florida Seabase, and backpacked 75+ miles at Philmont Scout Ranch. In my opinion, as Scouts get older, they need new activities to keep their interests alive. For us, it was a great high adventure program that kept us active and involved in Scouts for all these years.

Hi Eamonn, We returned from our Philmont high adventure treks this summer, and I must say that this trip was the highlight of my son's and his fellow scouts' scouting careers. As lead crew advisor, I also know that several scouts couldn't attend because of the high cost of the trip. It cost each crew member from out Troop over $1,000.00 to attend. I had previously tried to get our Scout Council to distribute some financial assistance or camperships funds from the Waite Phillips Philmont assistance fund to help those scouts who couldn't afford the trip, but our Council never responded to my requests. If there was a Philmont campership program available in our Troop, several boys who couldn't otherwise attend the high adventure trip surely would have experienced the trip of a lifetime! So, if you are looking for a good scouting investment, I can't think of a better one than this to invest your dollars.

Congratulations, OneHour . Please congratulate yourself, your family, your son, and his Scoutmaster and Scout Leaders on behalf of me and my son who just successfully completed his Eagle BoR and is waiting to receive the official Eagle paperwork from BSA HQ. This was the proudest moment of my scouting days, too. BTW, I'm looking at a picture of the second proudest moment which was standing on the summit of Mt. Phillips at Philmont with my son on Father's Day, June 17, 2007--8 months after I had quadruple coronary artery bypass surgery. Is anybody not ready? Hike on! IWTGBTP.

Welcome aboard, Bluecasper!

Welcome, Amy. You'll find a lot of good Scouting information here.

Thanks for spending your time helping the scouts, Elyria. We seniors know it means a lot to the boys.

If starting Cub Scouts in the 1950s qualifies you as a senior scouter, well then, I guess I'm a senior scouter. Welcome to Scouter.com, Elyria. How are things up in Lorain County these days?

Yeah, Eamonn, see what you started?

I agree with Oak Tree. I think you will do serious damage by anulling the previous SM's agreements (a Scouter is trustworthy). If my boy was required to redo his rank requirements, I wouldn't be surprised if he decided to quit Scouts altogether as a result; and I wouldn't blame him a bit.

Hi raisenemright, Congratulations, sounds like your guys had a lot of fun--even considering the rain and cold weather! Our guys went backpacking and rappelling to Red River Gorge, KY. This included a climb up and a 217 foot rappel down the cliffs of Indian Staircase. They had a blast.

Here's the latest Eagle Scout hero in the news. This time, in the Chicago area: Rescue from river taps into old skills Batavia man saves 2 from Fox after canoe capsizes By Alexa Aguilar | Tribune staff reporter October 25, 2007 Two state workers were rescued from the chilly Fox River Wednesday morning by a local businessman using skills he practiced 20 years ago in a YMCA pool while trying to become an Eagle Scout. Tom Wangler earned that rank, became a husband and father and the owner of a Batavia heating and cooling business. But he never had a reason to use those lifeguard skills until Wednesday while taking his weekly walk with his wife along the Fox River about 9 a.m. Through the trees, they spotted an overturned canoe floating in the water. "It made the hair on the back of my neck stand up," said Wangler, 37. As he and his wife, Paula Mueller, ran to the bank, they saw a young man and woman about 40 yards out, clearly struggling in the water and drifting south toward the Batavia dam. Wangler and Mueller were the only people on shore. A man sitting in his parked car nearby was absorbed in a newspaper and hadn't noticed the commotion, Mueller said. Wangler said his response was automatic. He called 911 from his cell phone, stripped to his T-shirt, boxer shorts and socks and yelled to the pair to keep kicking. Brittany Trushel, 25, and Erik Smolik, 27, work for the Illinois Natural History Survey and had gone to the Fox River to collect water samples, said Batavia Fire Battalion Chief Randy Banker. Their canoe tipped almost immediately after they launched, they later told Wangler. Clad in heavy coveralls, boots and sweat shirts, they had been struggling in the cold water for 15 minutes when Wangler and Mueller spotted them, they told him. Both could swim, but the weight of their clothing and the cold water had exhausted them, Wangler said. Smolik gave both life jackets to Trushel and told her to kick toward shore while he clutched the overturned canoe. "I stood in the water and yelled to her that she had to keep kicking," Wangler said. When she inched closer, he ventured into the water up to his neck, until she came close enough to grab her arms. Immediately, she went limp, he said. He hauled her to shore, where his wife stood ready to help. He then ran toward where Smolik was clasping the canoe about 30 yards from shore. Wangler waded into the brush lining the river and yelled for him to let go and kick toward him. "I can't kick anymore," Wangler said Smolik yelled to him. Wangler went back in the water, persuaded Smolik to release the boat and dragged him out. Smolik and Trushel were taken to Delnor-Community Hospital in Geneva where they were treated for hypothermia and released, a hospital spokesman said. Neither could be reached for comment Wednesday, but Batavia Deputy Fire Chief Randy Deicke said they were fortunate that Wangler and Mueller walked by when they did. Wangler got dressed and went home for an extra cup of coffee before heading to work. "He earned that extra cup of coffee," Mueller said. "He's the type who, whenever he sees something where he could help, he does it. But this is a first for us." ----------- aaguilar@tribune.com

No problem. Please feel free to educate me, too, as necessary.

Volker, Please excuse this slight interjection. FYI...There is no such thing as a former Marine. U.S. Marines are like Eagle Scouts. Once a marine, always a marine.

Hi Lisabob, Here's a temperature conversion chart from Lodge that might help: http://papadutch.home.comcast.net/LodgeBakingTempChart.doc

Hi mich632, Here's a post from Doug Marquis of the the Philmont Campfire and Welcome Center staff posted recently that might help. Sorry that I can't help you locate the song, though. Hi, Norm-- I think I can give you a fairly definitive answer. The song that goes with the Closing Campfire slide show is an INXS song called "Afterglow" from their album "Switch" that came out a year or two ago. I think 2006 was the first summer that we used the song for the campfire. "Here I am, lost in the light of the moon that comes through my window... Touch me and I will follow in your afterglow..." I can't think of a much more perfect song for the homebound crews. For others who are interested, the music that accompanies the final old home movie footage from Philturn is from the soundtrack to the movie "October Sky." The exit music is from "Lonesome Dove." Or maybe I've got them backwards, but those are the two pieces. For the last few years, I've mostly been singing "New Mexico Rain" after the awarding of the WAMI's. The best known recording of "New Mexico Rain" at Philmont is Rod Taylor's, but the song was actually written by Michael Hearne, a well-known songwriter who lives in Taos. He played with Michael Martin Murphy at one time, and he's also the nephew of Bill and Bonnie Hearne, who are southwest music legends. On Rod's CD, Bill Hearne sings the second verse of the song, and Michael Hearne sings the last verse. I've also sung "I Don't Mind" on occaision, although I think that one comes off better with someone younger singing it. For the last few nights, I've sung "Nightrider's Lament." (Rod came down for the campfire a couple of nights ago and sang "Nightriders Lament" and "Sweet Baby James," and I was inspired. Just wish I had his voice...) Of course the other song people will recognize from the Closing Campfire is the "Homebound Song," which is based on Simon and Garfunkle's "Homeward Bound." Patrick Kyle, a member of the 2002 Activities staff, wrote the Philmont lyrics for it. "Home, where the food's not powder! Home, where you get hot showers!" Doug Marquis Asst. Mgr. CHQ Activities '03-'07 (the campfire and Welcome Center staff)

Kudu, Your video works fine with my IE 6.0 browser. Looks like the kids had lots of fun. Thanks

Hi Lisa, Welcome to the Scouter.com forums. If you search hard enough, everything you ever wanted to know about scouting, and much more, is right here somewhere.

Hey OGE, Show me where anyone in these forums ever called you or any other moderator a bunch of whatevers or scum sucking slime of the earth. I need to judge for myself.

Conratulations, gwd-scouter, "I overhead him telling our newest Scout (just joined the Monday before we left), "don't worry that you don't know how to do anything, you'll learn as you go." and "we need to learn to cook better." Those are priceless words coming from young scouts in charge of things for the weekend. Yet more evidence that it's worth all our time and effort, and that your leaders are going a wonderful job.

Well, it's nice to see that the proposed rent hike hasn't affected some Cradle of Liberty scout units (see below). Bravo, Philly Scouts! Pennsylvania Boy Scouts Build Stretcher, Carry Injured Hiker 3 Miles Monday, October 22, 2007 READING, Pa. A Boy Scout troop came to the rescue of a hiker who had fallen and hit her head on the Appalachian Trail, building a stretcher from scratch and carrying her 3 miles to help. Jane B. Scholl of Mohnton was hiking on Blue Mountain in northern Berks County with a friend Saturday. As the two reached the Pinnacle, a popular overlook, Scholl was looking for a good spot to take pictures when she fell about 5 feet. "I landed right on my eye," she said Sunday. "I was cut and bleeding and felt really woozy." Scholl, 41, and the friend started down the mountain, but Scholl began to feel worse. That's when they ran into Boy Scout Troop 226 from Rockledge in Montgomery County. "As we were hiking back down we caught up to her and that's when we saw that she was bleeding," scoutmaster Christopher J. Gallagher said. The eight Scouts built a stretcher from tree branches and their sweat shirts. "We took sticks, shoved them into each sleeve and made it long enough for her body to fit on. We carried her three miles," Eagle Scout Andrew Swartz Jr. said. Gallagher had called for help on his cell phone and the troop was met by medics who began treatment. Scholl was then taken to a helicopter waiting to fly her to Reading Hospital, where she was treated for a concussion and cuts and bruises and released Sunday. When Troop 226 returned Sunday, members were met by a cheering crowd and a band featuring drummers and bagpipes. "I feel really good. It's nice to know I helped someone out in their time of need," scout Bill Bowman said.

I'd still like to see the missing post so that I can decide for myself whether or not there was an "attack". Feel free to send by PM if it's too un-Scoutlike to post in public. Thanks