NWScouter

FYI the gray is officially silver and the yellow is gold. The other two that are legit, as I know it, are green for Venturing and orange for Varsity. Maybe he was early in getting ready for Lent

Putting a time requirement between BORs would be adding to the requirements and is against the no more or less rule of advancement. There is no time requirement between ranks until you are going for Star. A scout may work on any of the requirements for Tenderfoot, Second and First Class at any time. You also need to remember that we are to recognize them as soon as possible and waiting would violate that rule. The troop I was Scoutmaster in, would and still combines those ranks in BORs.

I know, but some times I slip. It was 36 years ago when I was tapped out

OA has three levels of membership Person elected by their units is tapped-out and they then go through an Ordeal and become a member of the Order of the Arrow as an Ordeal Member (just a arrow on their sash). Ten months later they are able to seal their membership and become a Brotherhood Member (a bar on about an inch or so from both ends of the arrow on their sash). After two more years they are eligible to selected for Vigil Honor (add a triangle to the middle of the arrow on the Brotherhood sash), only a few are selected from the lodge depending on its size. This is an honor and not all are chosen only those deemed to have done service beyond the usual. All members are considered equal; no level is required to serve in as an Officer in any level (chapter, lodge, section, region, or national).

They also will not pledge allegiance to the flag, go to collage, and celebrate birthdays or Christmas, just to name of few of their beliefs.

In our council multiple registrations dont cost anything, the only $1 fee I have heard of is for transferring a registration to a new unit. The other reason to register adults, if not a parent or legal guardian of a youth on that outing, a adult must be registered to participate.

The round patch on the right pocket is from Chief Seattle, the one that I wore as youth and is still in use. .

Opened the morning paper and saw an article about a new singer named Brandi from our area. The picture shows her wearing an complete vintage Second Class uniform with Chief Seattle Council patches. Apparently, she likes the old uniform. Here is her web site with more of her in uniform at concerts: http://www.brandicarlile.com/photos.ASP

You have to be a youth member of a Troop or team to be elected as a youth to the OA. You have to be registered in the BSA, any program, to be an active member of the Order of the Arrow. To wear any of the symbols of the Order you must be a dues paying active member of the lodge of the council where you are registered. If your are in Venturing or Sea Scouts you may wear the flap and pocket rocket if you pay your dues.

Lone, if you think taxes are robbing people then I hope you are not doing any of the citizenship m.b.

It was never a BSA award, but an award for volunteer service by the military for service members. They award it for all kinds of volunteer service. The BSA knot is for many different awards given by organizations such as American Legion and others.(This message has been edited by NWScouter)

Ed, You accept that the courts say we can set our membership requirements, but you refuse to understand or accept that by doing so in the way we have, there are consequences, The federal government and other government bodies can not discrimination on matters of religion and any activity or group that they sponsor, own, run cannot discriminate on the basis of religion or lack of one. The courts have consistently ruled that way. So the government may it be the military or local fire department cannot sponsor (charter) a unit. It though may not deny access to facilities that it offers to other groups to any group. Why do you think the BSA split off the Explorers into Learning for Life, because those Fire and Police units were in danger of being abolished unless the BSA changed it rules.

A person in the Order of the Arrow wears the correct uniform for his/her registered position. If he is registered as ASM in a Troop because he is over 18, he wears the adult uniform. If he is in a Venture Crew he would wear a youth uniform till he turns 21 when he becomes an adult in that program. Even though he is youth in the OA, he is not a youth the Troop so he needs to wear the correct adult uniform. No one is registered in the OA, just a member of it.

It does not deal with council round patches with segments around them. It seems to only be dealing with the particular patches given out in that council, so you need to generalize it or make it fit your council. Also you need to talk about other patches that have different placement, i.e. quality unit.

Ed, If you got a speeding ticket and the courts required you to attend a program to control your driving. Now Muslims ran the program and you were required to pray to Allah on a rug facing Mecca and then memorize large passages of the Koran, would you sue? I bet the ACLU would be right there to help you. Is that stepping on their religious freedom and so you should be required to take that course?

Another really great site:--- http://www.boyscoutstuff.com/

Try this site -- great information: http://www.sageventure.com/history/

I think that you can use the same event for each of the awards. The only consideration for the pack would be the cost; at about $4 a patch it could break the bank. You might, depending on your funds, make a rule the pack buys the first and the parents pitch in for anymore.

I checked at www.alibris.com, from about $7 to $42 depending on condition is what they are selling for.

Part 2 Or for you that linguistically challenged in English rather than Norsk I am so glad each Christmas Eve, The night of Jesus birth! Then like the sun the Star shone forth, And angels sang on earth. The little Child in Bethlehem, He was a King indeed! For He came down from Heaven above To help a world in need. He dwells again in heavens realm, The Son of God today; And still He loves His little ones And hears them when they pray. I am so glad on Christmas Eve! His praises then I sing; He opens then for every child The palace of the King. When mother trims the Christmas tree Which fills the room with light, She tells me of the wondrous Star That made the dark world bright. She says the Star is shining still, And never will grow dim; And if it shines upon my way, It leads me up to Him. And so I love each Christmas Eve And I love Jesus, too; And that He loves me every day I know so well is true. God Jul Merry Christmas

Jeg er s glad hver julekveld, for da ble Jesus fdt; da lyste stjernen som en sol, og engler sang s stt. Det lille barn i Betlehem, han var en konge stor som kom fra himlens hye slott ned til vr arme jord. N bor han hyt i himmerik, han er Guds egen snn, men husker alltid p de sm og hrer deres bnn. Jeg er s glad hver julekveld, da synger vi hans pris; da pner han for alle sm sitt ste paradis. Da tenner moder alle lys, s ingen krok er mrk; hun sier stjernen lyste s i hele verdens rk. Hun sier at den lyser enn og slukkes aldri ut, og hvis den skinner p min vei, da kommer jeg til Gud. Hun sier at de engler sm, de synger og i dag om fred og fryd p jorderik og om Guds velbehag. , gid jeg kunne synge s, da ble visst Jesus glad; for jeg jo ogs ble Guds barn engang i dpens bad. Jeg holder av vr julekveld og av den Herre Krist, og at han elsker meg igjen, det vet jeg ganske visst.

The biggest disqualifier in our lodge has been current dues. Some members (ex-members?) just have not kept current.

We are just finishing up rechartering in our council with many units doing it by the internet. The only problem that I have seen is once you submit you can not change anything. The only one who can make those changes is the council registrar. Of course, as in all the years Ive done rechartering, the best indicator of success is preparation. If you have the information that is needed for your youth and adults, have submitted applications on time, and collected the money, it tends to go smooth.

In the lodge where I'm a vigil member, they keep the Vigil Selection committee members secret. This is to keep from having lobbying, I gather it had been quite strident years ago. I have never seen a formal open nomination process.

Most mainline church theologians have orthodox Christian beliefs and reject the theology of the end time proponents. The rapture is such a recent concept and those who preach the end is near tend to read too much into the Bible passages they quote. As for me, Christ will come when he comes and until He does I will trust in His grace and do His work for peace and justice. These are the views on the rapture and The Left Behind books by the two largest Lutheran church bodies: http://www.thelutheran.org/0407/page11b.html http://www.thelutheran.org/0208/page26.html http://www.thelutheran.org/9912/page28a.html http://www.thelutheran.org/9912/page23.html http://www.thelutheran.org/9912/page28b.html http://www.lcms.org/pages/internal.asp?NavID=578 http://www.lcms.org/pages/internal.asp?NavID=2732 http://www.lcms.org/pages/internal.asp?NavID=2743 The below are from scholarly journals: http://www.elca.org/scriptlib/dcs/jle/article.asp?aid=60 http://www.elca.org/dcm/worship/publications/worship/pdf/1999/worship_november_1999.pdf#xml=http://search.elca.org/scripts/texis.exe/webinator/search/xml.txt?query=end+times&pr=elca&prox=line&rorder=500&rprox=750&rdfreq=500&rwfreq=500&rlead=500&sufs=0&order=r&cq=&id=41bead406