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I think many people feel this way. Using this method we found one oddity in our transactions a long while back. $20 or so was spent at a barber. Turns out the TC had two debit cards, both red, both the same bank, did not read the one he used was the troop card. Honest mistake. He was made aware, paid the money back. He even brought the treasurer a cobbler for having caused a fuss.

I drive 50 miles each way to go to my unit. That's a bigger place than where I live. But I get it's fun to make fun of us country folk. Funny how "scout like" people get around here.

Exactly. One would think the TC would be getting reports with the transactions noted and highlighted. Our unit has a monthly "sit down" between the TC chair, the treasurer and one other adult (which rotates attending the meeting so never the same person more than twice in a row) where they log in and view online the statement and transactions on the bank website. That way, unless everyone is in cahoots, any missing money would be found ASAP.

http://www.app.com/story/news/crime/jersey-mayhem/2015/06/23/theft-boy-scouts-alleged/29178867/

I would never proclaim to know you or your background. Funny how you claim to know mine. If you have lived in a town with only three hundred people or less then you would know there is no way to miss peoples' most intimate habits. You just can't hide that. But you know me and my town best. I bow to your superior command of my town. Geesh.

So not only do you know my town better than I do, you know the people I know better than I do? Who's the deluded one? Please.

Buy water balloons with that money you not only get the IRS on you but BSA's version of ATF.

Live your life in a town of 300 or less and then let's talk. Who was it that said, "There are lies, damn lies and statistics?"

I get the statute. I don't get someone not saying anything given all the time that they had. As for this guy I don't get waiting two years after the statute change to file. Case prep maybe?

In a town of 300 you can't hide that.

Thanks. I don't know how it double-posted. I hit enter once and haven't had issues with the new sw. Please delete. Thanks. Not sure where it goes. He's suing BSA so I guess that's I&P.

Nope. Not in my town. It's small enough we would know.

A bit late, don't you think? Couldn't file suit last year? Ten years ago? I sympathize with the situation but suspicious of the timing. http://www.startribune.com/ramsey-county-commissioner-sues-boy-scouts-for-alleged-sex-abuse/309320151/

Nope. They are both men living in Philly.

You forgot this example, "Scoutmaster Jones lives with Cubmaster Smith. They like to walk down the street holding hands and have dinner together at the local bistro." Let's make sure we cover all the bases here.

They are BOTH medallions and pins. We are all assuming you'd wear the medallion like Silver Beaver is worn. No one has weighed in yet on how the pins would be worn.

@@qwazse my original question, indeed the OP, asked if and how to wear it. Prior to the post noting that BSA was working with the gov on this program there was no clear answer as to if, where and how to wear it. Now that BSA is involved the if seems answered. The how may be a simple as modeling after any other neck medallion. I wasn't suggesting that BSA need list all patches, pins and medals. However, much like the military, there could be a brief statement on how (or indeed if) to wear non-BSA items.

Agreed. But since this is a significant national award this one should likely be on such a list, no?

I agree it is a complex issue. But the underlying membership policy that this issue is concerned with is the same. You correctly pointed out, can BSA exclude "insert group here" from membership. That's the policy. Can BSA exclude blacks, gays, left-handed people or gingers legally? Well, the Supreme Court seemed to think they could, though I confess I am not sure if their rule covered race or not. I assume additional challenges (assuming they made it that far) might further challenge the BSA membership policy. My only answer to your last question as to what explains why we exclude some groups and not others, lays along political, religious and moral lines. As a membership-based organization, BSA will always run the risk of exclude someone who does not agree with them. They are at a cross-roads. I think allowing people of race (and integrating them) was the first hurdle they crossed. The second was allowing women. I think that one was a bit easier because women had been the backbone of Cubs for so long. I think this issue is less clear cut. As you note the battle lines are nearly evenly divided. For an organization that is driven by members and volunteers, they have two choices: Stick with their current policy and manage as they have been, or change policy and risk losing that half that disagrees. It will be interesting to see what happens in the next year and beyond.

maybe not, but the point still stands.

@@boyledscouting change troops. Youth should be spent enjoying yourself, not fixing what some adults have broken. You sound like a well taught young man. You'll do well in a new troop. Good luck.

Sorry, but none of this addresses why gays would be a different membership issue versus allowing girls. Both are currently prohibited. Both are covered by the same "policy" exclusion. Nothing above articulates the differentiation between the two issues...mostly likely because one does not exist.

We've all been the "worn out" leader. I'd rather spend what few sleeping hours I do get helping a kid in need, then capitulate to two conniving, ill-mannered ASMs who are acting contrary to what their role dictates. I'd rather be an SM with no ASMs than to let those two continue in my unit. Boys come first, adults last...full stop.

@@NJCubScouter policy can be resolutions passed by a body. Policy can be position statements, resolutions press releases and other such documentation from an organization. It does not have to be one document called "policies". Look at the Supreme Court case if you want the "policy" of BSA banning gay leaders. And yes, it *is* the same membership issue as not allowing girls. The membership guidelines or policies or whatever you want to call them currently prohibit gay adults and girls from joining. In order to allow gay leaders BSA would have to make a change to their membership criteria that is currently in place. This is the same criteria that currently precludes girls. At the risk of talking past each other, I will reiterate, a good scout would not break the rules (no gay leaders allowed) and would be patient and work within the rules until the membership prohibition is changed. It is not scout-like to break the rules because you can internally justify them to yourself.

I get ALL that. My point is that a "good scout" would WAIT until the policy is officially changed rather than to break the rule.