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hicountry asks You want a volunteer to help teach woodbadge and you want that person to cough up $200 plus for the priveledge of taking a a weekend or more of their time providing you basically free labor ? For us the cost of WB for a participant is like $250 - $285 (we have and early bird signup incentive) for staff it is $85.. And that does not just cover food for the 6 days of WB. But also food for 5 or 6 days of staff meetings.. Plus our T-shirt.. Maybe we aren't getting everything for free, but we are definately not paying for things the participants are paying for like the MEGA printouts.. (I think we went through 3 cases of paper some legal size, some 3hole, some normal), nor other expenses like the stuff that is jammed into their outgoing packets, and the royalty fees or the cost of the camp.. (I was going to do a small district training at my BSA camp until they tried charging me $250 and I was not using all the buildings etc for 6 days..).. So I do not see that we are being overcharged for our food.. We just aren't getting a free ride. What do I get out of it?.. You learn during the WB course (except for people like Basement).. But being on staff you have to really learn the course inside and out and have the time to do so. Besides that you get to meet alot of great people inside and outside of your district, while working on staff with them.. Plus for me, I really learn how to put on a great presentation, and this training I can then take and put into practice while putting on my own district training.. So for $85. It's a bargain.

Ohh.. Sounds like a ton of fun!! about as fun as my Communion classes.. So sad.. Girls are to be happy to get boring classroom activities..

So out of curiousity what is the girls program that LDS does use? Is it anything fun?

Ohhhh... Scoutfish!! I know I now can't find it, but it reminds me of some ultra-conservative radio or talk-show host who got on their soap box.. If your child breaks his leg, would you want them to be treated at the hospital by a nurse/Doctor with a rainbow pin??? No.. what sort of immoral example is that for my child to have as a role model!!! I say we should have it in our charts that we do not want ourselves or our children to be treated by health care staff with a rainbow pin.. (I guess saying the word homosexual was something too terrifing she just couldn't utter..).. You listened to it, and did not know whether to laugh or be upset with this attitude.

Wow your State Parks are free.. Ours charge, and there isn't any break for youth groups, or discounted group rates.. No exception.. This is the price per person.

I would imagine the MB is the last needed for a Rank advancement.. Or Engineer slipped up and just the BoR was not done, so the scout couldn't get to the next rank before the COH.. You do need a BoR before you can get the next rank. Sounds like this kid missed 3 chances to do a BoR.. Our troop was similar, maybe they could reach a rank before a CoH, but all the kids procrastinated and then were zooming to get everything done just befor the CoH.. Didn't matter that they could earn the rank earlier.. The scheduled CoH was like the dinner bell..

And the bee won't sting me while I'm trying to attach the little message to his little leg?? Yeah right.. Got to tell son this one, he is deathly afraid of bees and he is the most stung kid I know of.. He would love this form of communication..

Being privately owned, maybe if not and emergancy and it is life/death the victim is brought in.. I think the Dr.'s oath does force attention in life/death situations. But, Maybe you can just charge more for the non-Catholic.. Because their church dollars didn't fund your hospital?? Sort of like State Colleges charge more for out-of-Staters.. Then there is the communities who don't have a fire station, and to get the neighboring town to come to put out a fire only if they paid a voluntary tax.. If the person doesn't pay the tax, then the firetruck comes and the firemen watch the fire.. (there in-case your neighbor who did pay his fire tax catches on fire, they will then tend to their house..) (Of course the fuel to move the trucks & the staff is activated and money is used for that effort..) I can see the headlines now.. Catholic ambulance comes and watches as non-Catholic croaks in the streets.. The community fire stations that do this get a mixture of anger and support for their tactics..

sherminator - Is there a middle ground.. Either you are against it and a conservative.. Or you are for everyone's right to choose and considered a liberal.. Now if the two sides were Against it.. And a side that was forcing everyone to get an abortion, and be homosexual (or at least bi-sexual).. (of course if we were all homosexual, it would solve the need for abortions.) Then I would say there was a middle ground of "Everyone has a right to choose".. But it is not.. Those who believe people have the right to choose, are not middle ground, they are radical liberals, and enemies to the conservatives.

Nice to know perdidochas.. Hopefully if they want to respond there text can then him my email, not my phone text messages, as I never answer or look at any text messages. They can stay in there and rot, and fill up the bin until they can hold no more for all I care.. We used to have Text messaging on our phones turned off, then son got a girlfriend and we had to turn it on. Now hubby occasionally texts so don't know if we can get it turned off again when son is off of our phone bill later this year.. But at least we can stop paying for unlimited text messaging service.

Ahhh.. These are staff lunchons, these are some sort of District Honorary dinner/fundraiser event.. We always skipped them, until hubby became Advancement chair and for some reason (Not sure why..) This event fell onto his plate of responsibility.. Therefore we go and WORK it, doing all the dinner prep, serving, and hours of cleanup.. For a meal it is pretty good but it is sort of like a wedding where you get what you get, but they doe prime rib or pork roast and fancy veggies and deserts.. The dinners are like $30 a plate.. And it is in a fancy restraurant where we rent the function Hall area for the night.. Now the council big wigs will come and dine for free and socialize at that function. Us kitchen help also got our meals free.. But, what we get is working from noon to midnight, where we get about 10 minutes to wolf down a meal standing in the kitchen in, then back to work.. Last year I did donate to it.. The chef spent to the max of his budget last year and did something that ruined the cheese, so I ran to the store and donated like 10 pounds of cheese.. Personally for me though with my husband now required to be in attendance I'd rather my family work it, then pay $120 (4 people) to be catered to.. So maybe that is kickback also..

OGE says - So,the guys who are giving of their time to do the training are so much more valuable to the Council that these members of the Good Ole Boys Club, these important guys are exempt from paying their own way and the people taking the training are the ones, who due to their lack of training, must not only pay for themselves, they must also pay for the instructors who are being so kind that they are spending their valuable time with the great ignorant unwashed Who is that directed to? I don't see anyone on this thread beating their chest and demanding that they should get a free ride.. Just one confused OP, who was surprised by this and wanted to know if it was typical.. And alot of people stating this is the way it is, and we don't have a problem with it.. Now what SP eludes to, our camp also does.. For each Pack / Troop the number of adults needed to supervise that group goes free. Any adults over that count must pay. I am sure the cost of these Adults (at least meal wise) is rolled into the charge per boy for camp.. And I really don't see it as a Good ole boys thing.. It is just it is hard to not only get an adult to give a week of vacation to scouting rather then family, let alone ask them to pay $150 - $300 to do so.. They would end up with few units going because they couldn't get the Adult supervision.. That could be seen as a volunteer getting a kick-back? Or a neccesary expense in order to keep the camp up and running? And I do not know if the muckity-mucks that go to the WB celebration dinners pay or not. (normally for us this is past course directors, some muckity-mucks but most your average volunteer who just had the personality and time to work through WB into that position..) I do know that muckity-mucks from council staff will come to some district dinners and not pay.. (I have been told this by people in-the-know).. I guess we are just to be honored by their presence.. (Now here I would say is a kick-back..)

Although I am a liberal.. Personally I don't mind if Catholic hospitals receive federal funding and don't offer routine services that don't abide by their beliefs.. As long as there are hospitals nearby that will perform the services and a persons insurance will except care from the other hospital.. What I worry about is if the care is needed in an emergancy capacity such as would a catholic hospital abort a child if an accident with a pregnant women happened outside their doors so the women was brought inside, and the womens life was in jeopardy without the abortion.. Also will the Catholic hospital treat homosexuals with aids?.. But then I don't see why NH looses out on federal funding for not having a manditory seatbelt law. Why is this of concern to anyone but the residents of NH? Problem is, the government does not see things that way, and the Catholic Hospitals should have been wide eyed to that fact when they started taking govenment funding.. Now if they dug themselves a hole where they can not live without the Gov't funding, well shame on them.. They have made themselves dependent on something, and may be forced to either shut down, or accept the governments rules.. That is no ones fault but the Catholic Hospitals..

Well as you know, for group communication mine preference it email.. I have slowly come to the same feeling as the scout who says the phone call can be rude, although I to have a phone that tells me if the person is on my calling list or not.. I don't understand FB enough to figure out how I can send out a message on it, and let my intended people I want to contact know that I sent anything, or to look at it. I heard you can limit who sees the message, and that would probably be needed also.. Text messaging is just wrong to me anyway you look at it.. It still interupts you as a phone does with ringing or buzzing or whatever. Then communication that would take 3 to 4 minutes to conclude on a phone call take more like 15 on text as you type onto the tiny keys, and ring or buzz each other ten times over to have a discussion.. Thereby annoying everyone around you as you ring, buzz, burp and tap away... AND ITS DONE ON A PHONE.. PICK UP THE BLINKING THING AND TALK ON IT!!! OK.. yes, I am an old-fogey..

Yes, the boy scouts get it for being too conservative by the liberals.. The girls scouts get it for being too liberal. The problem is there is no neutral ground on the issues right now are polarized.. Maybe some Catholic churches are turning their backs on supporting Girl Scouts (I would imagine LDS too if they ever did support girl scouts.) But Girl Scouts will get the backing of schools and other publicly funded institutions, where boy scouts no longer do..

JoeBob - If you're making Catholic taxpayers fund government hospitals that provide abortion and contraception, can't you at least be courteous enough to allow the opposite? I don't know.. Can NH get Fed money for our roads without enforcing a seatbelt law? or for our schools without enforcing a state income tax?? After all we pay our taxes too.. And anyone who wishes to wear a seatbelt is not prevented from doing so.. And why is it any one elses buisness that we prefer to fund our State differently then every other state wants to fund theirs? For that matter any family who homeschools, or goes to private school pays their taxes and wants to know why their tax dollar can not go to the private school tuition, or to what they spend to homeschool...

I guess Beavah I see what your saying and I don't see what your saying.. I guess I am agreeing with Packsaddle just will state this in a different way. NH "live free or di:) state runs into this all the time. We loose out on funding for roads, or schools or other things.. And while there is a tussle and debate over following the goverments rules to get the doe-ra-me, or stick to our guns and "live free or die". We still don't have a forced seatbelt law except for children, and loose funds for that. We still don't have a state income tax, and loose funds for that etc. etc.. Sometimes we do cave in for the government funding and sometimes we do not.. But, we always know that that is our choice. If Catholic Hospitals survive by government funding well then they are the ones who choose to do so, and in doing so they are the ones who went into a merger with the government now a partner in the venture.. Unfortunately the Government is not a silent partner.. It does set up terms, conditions and expectations for the money it doles out.. You can't have seperation of church and state, while climbing into bed with them also.. Packsaddle page 3 and so far so good.. Although we all know what side of the arguement we are on, it has yet to be a total rehashing of the same old same old..

I heard it had to do with the fact it is a volunteer service. That getting free meals, T-shirts etc.. was considered a form of payment. Our WB cost staff $85.. Even if $100, if you are being fed during your staff meetings as well as the 6 days on the course plus get a T-shirt (we don't do hats anymore, you might).. Anyway add it all up, you would pay that (or more) if you were not in the course and feeding yourself for that time.

We don't have any Varsity in our district either... But I am not sure about the other districts. and this course is advertising further then out then our Council due to the unique setup to allow LDS members to come. I would imagine the full week WB would run fine for LDS as long as they run it Mon - Sat.. But due to not pulling enough people who wish to take off a full week of work, we don't run it that way in this area. Sea Scouts are rare, but we have them. None in my district, but out by the sea coast, and at least one that I know of that is inland.

Basement this wasn't my expirence.. This is just what our great BSA National leader has to say about hispanics.. Here in cow-hampshire, we don't really have many hispanics that are not fully Americanized.. I am sure we have them.. We have to have them somewhere!!! I just don't run into them much (and I am not one to shop at SAX, and get chauffered around where I would never meet any common folks.) Gosh maybe that's it.. They shop at SAX and I don't run in their circles.. For the most part NH is not quite a melting pot like the rest of you mutts... But we are getting there.. I know our state did ask that the refugee quota not be so large this year, with the economy the way it is we don't have the resources to relocate them.. The last few years I know we have brought in alot of refugees from Somali and other places.. I do know people complain our night janitors don't speak English, but I am never here when they are.. Still rarely do I see any.. They are not in scouting for the most part, as I have never had foreign speaking people in training courses, nor is that a concern of Adult Leaders when they come to training.

Jeffrey - This is sarcasm about a video that was played around here about 6 or more months back.. In it our great Cheif Exec( Mazzuca ) is telling everyone that BSA must start running BSA soccer because we want the Hispanics to get the valuable experience of working with our Adult leaders.. But Hispanics are family oriented and do not like camping.. So it is not necessary that we get them out in a tent.. Just give them a net and a soccer ball.. And Ta-Da BSA Soccer is born.. Due to all the Hispanics who don't like to camp.

LOL TwoCub... Too True! Well I am not the official Team Leader, we did not pick one of those.. So calling and assigning to me, would be kindof bossy, where as emailing to the group and saying let me share with you whilst you share with me, did not.. As for text messaging, I never took to it myself, and I do believe there is a mix of home phones & cell phones on my phone list.. Also on my first email one of my questions was if they would prefer a different format over email.. Such as text messaging (which I would have to learn..) or facebook (which I would need to get an account to and learn).. Or if someone had access to a chat room, or knew how to set up phone conferencing, or whatever..

BD - Did not mean to imply the outdoors begins with at the City limits.. Just that LNT to mean always meant procedures that we could do to leave the outdoors as untouched by humans intrusion when we leave it.. While the city street is outdoors, and cleaning the sidewalk is a great environmental project.. I just never would have defined it as LNT.. Because all around it is totally impacted by human intrusion, and would continue to be so even after the clean up job.. LNT - Always mean "LEAVE NO TRACE..", so to me it meant starting with a place where there was no Trace to begin with and ending with a place where there still is no trace.

TT wrote : I thought you were a guy--probably associate a handle with "Moose" in it as masculine. LOL.. My son's nickname is Moose.. I picked up this moniker when he was in his mid-teens and I was forever trying to track him down..

I just remember when I was in WB our patrol was just a chatterbox in emails between each other in order to organize the patrol project, and the patrol meals. Although I do know that our TG said he won some bet on who would have the most vocal group between weekends.. And our patrol never did do a mid-meeting just pulled it together through emails, and assembled it at our campsite in the evening after we regrouped on the second weekend.. I do get some of that sending out email to my trainers.. I have figured out that no response means "Sorry, can't make it.." Although every now and then, I get a crest fallen trainer who is shocked I assigned a peice that normally goes to them because after 2 to 3 emails with no response, I just assumed that they weren't making the training.. When I send out an eblast to the whole district, I am greatful I do not get 500 emails back from it.. Well I think what I can do solo on the project has come to a grinding halt.. But, I will continue with my solo act and keeping them informed how I am coming with my presentations.. Our Troop was always very vocal in emails.. But the Pack was in a time when counting on most people having email was not a smart thing.. It was more half & half of our group. I guess I just don't have too much experience in what to expect.