moosetracker

Conservatives following anything down to its logical roots, have made up the most ridiculous conspiracy theory's.. Somehow their logical path seems to zig & zag until it comes up with something very illogical.. But, go ahead, because I know it's your feel-good premise.. After all you come up with some doosies that make great comedian fodder.

It might be that I am up at 1am, trying to read Monkey Tamers thoughts.. But, at this early hour, my conclusion is that I think Monkey Tamer has lost it. Outdoors may not be the messiah, and from what was quoted from his statement, I don't see that he was even making the statement that he was.. Neither is Monkey Tamer, so I guess I really don't care what either of them think.. I guess that probably puts me closer to Outdoors philosophy without thinking that means Outdoors has to approve of what I believe in. Whether your values come from your parents teachings, or your church in the various faiths with the various philosophy of what is right or wrong, and which book to follow, or what in that book is ranked super important. average importan, or outdated.. Perhaps it comes from your inner self, or from your spouse kicking you where the sun don't shine if they think you screwed up.. Everyone has a different way of figuring out what their values are.. Some how in this mad, mad world we live together and just make it work..

Which is why it was wrong for National to tell units they could NOT have homosexual members. It is equally wrong for them to tell them they all have to allow homosexuals to join.. I think someone said that National does say you can't discriminate on race. I am sure some do through loophole. If your CO discriminates on race, and you have a scout unit who only allow in members that are in thier main membership pool (say a private school.) then your scouting unit discriminates on race. Most likely the BSA in the past did discriminate on race, then they went to local option, then went to a no discrimination rule.. But, this and the homosexual issue are the only times they have put any requirement on who a unit can or can not discriminate against.

Welcome Tim from NJ.. I hope your area of NJ was not hurt by Hurricane Sandy.. Anyway, look forward to seeing you around on the boards.

qwazse - did you find a way to make that setup sticky?? I can't be bothered spending 5 minutes setting up the search, to click on one and when I move back out of it have to reset up the search again... Total pain in the you-know-where. Eagle 732.. Yes, the site has changed.. If I am not mistaken they did an upgrade to the old software used for this forum, it is not like a brandy dandy different software.. But though possible nice features are added the navating is a very BIG drawback.. Navigation still needs alot of work to make it convient in my opinion. See FAQ's,

No arguements here!

Well, does anyone else see anything pretty in my last post??? I just see ickkkkkkk...

Yeah, but if you look a SRBeavers quoted item, it doesn't put the thing in a quoted paragraph, it just leave open raw html code around the words.. Noticed that when people tried to do a link. I am going to experiment with the Advanced settings here. red text here?? Yeah, guys.. this looked Real good in the editor.. Not so goo once posted.. Looked good right now when I previewed it after editing.. Let's see if going back in and editing will now format it well. [TABLE=width: 750] Table attempt [TR] [TD] col 1 row 1[/TD] [TD] col 2 row 1[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD] col 2 row 1[/TD] [TD] col 2 row 2[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] Bold, italics, underlined http://www.scouting.org/training/trainingupdates.aspx - a web link Smilie face Lets Try a different font Centered Text right text Numbering second line bullets indented bullet Really indented bullets.. Well from her all looks goo.. let see what happens with the post..

Although the 24 hour area is a help to get back to what most of us lived in, it still needs work.. It only shows the OP name, and time/Date the thread was created.. You do not know if anyone has added anything new without having to get into the thread to find out. Also it seems the page counter is not working right still. If the thread has more the 15 posts, it will only show the first fifteen posts, and tell you you have one of one pages and next page arrow is disabled. If you go into the page number box and put in 2, it will then fix it self, stays on page 1, but now says page 1 of 4, and the arrows are enabled, then you can go to the next page. When you can't see a post count on the 24 hour page, this makes people think there is no more after the 15th post, or if they enter a post they can't see it.

Between the Training Times Newsletter and an email I got from our regional Training person, sounds like some good training changes coming up. I am excited about the new training tools, but don't know what to make about what the Training Times say, and what I see.. "Unit Training Detail" is suppose to be of Unit leaders about their Unit.. "Unit Training Tracking" is suppose to be for District/Council Trainers to see info on their District. I only see the Tool "Unit Training Tracking".. I can look up any unit in the district (which might be good for a Unit Commissioner).. But a District Trainer, or District Exec, would want this report to list everyone in the district, without having to pull up each unit seprately.. So, a little work is needed there, but much better then looking up the Training person by person. Anyone have more info about the changes coming to Training? Sounds like with CubScout specifics, it might be changing what I dislike about it.. Death to the PowerPoint presentations, and less cutsy things like "let's sing a song" or "let's play a game".. More discussion of what they really need.. Sounds like there may still be breakouts?? Yuck, for the number of Trainers needed, yeah for no PowerPoint, so I don't need 5 projectors.. But, I don't understand breaking it out, since the new training will be once trained, your trained (at least for Den leaders), no different training for Tigers, Den, Webs.. So if one training means trained, why break out into different training groups??? Still waiting for the changes to outdoor leaders Training, that has been promised for years, and they keep moving the date further & further out. Here is some excerpts from our Regional Training guy.. ....The national team is moving away from the web based and the power point process we have been using for the past decade. Our Cub leaders only need to know two basic things: how to conduct meetings and what resources are available. Yet, our Cub Scout leader training now involves 250 power point slides? Death by power point! The team understands that new leaders do not need all the information that we have been throwing at them (think of a fire hose streaming water at a person) so the training will be modified to get that information to the new leader which he or she needs immediately- with the opportunity to attend additional courses later. All studies indicate that web learning can be useful for certain things but it does not measure up to live personal training. Our job is to train leaders; it is not to just run training courses. We are challenged to think outside the box as we train: perhaps we will need to go to the Scouter or unit rather than have the Scouter come to us. Perhaps we will offer mini camporees for training specific skills...... .....There will be a new emphasis on teambased learning - a process which involves group learning rather than simply the lecture method. One of the many advantages of the team process is that the group can be permanent allowing members to share and learn from each other throughout a Scouting career. Think patrol method and permanent patrol! Additionally, the new protocol will involve “Centers of Excellence†where formal training can occur by observing and participating in successful programs. The training courses are all being revised and I have included a copy of the timetable at the end of this email.......

Although last 24 hours is somewhat more helpful, it still has some not so helpful parts, in that it only shows the date/time stamp of the OP.. So you don't know if anyone has answered in a thread since your last visit, or since you last posted in it.

What??? Us senior members don't have seniority??? I thought it was like back in highschool, and I got to pick on the freshmen..

I feared we'd have more of these old resurections, with the oldest threads sorting to the top.. Well hopefully that young scout has made Eagle by now, or he has aged out!

Here in Northern New England, this has again been a mild winter.. I still haven't found the need to break out my winter coat, just fine with my Fall coat. Our district also held it's Klondike today with no snow on the ground. I don't believe our troop had optional wheels for it's sleds, so I don't know what they did. I do worry about the maple syrup flow this spring, and our skiing industry, other then that I am not complaining.. We did have 3 bad driving days in a row the evenings last week.. First day, if you were out past 7pm you had glaring ice as everything from the rain froze.. The next night the fog was so thick you couldn't see the hood of your car as warm air hit the still cold snow.. Third night the high winds dropped so many trees into the roads everyone in our neighborhood had to go miles out of their way in a round about way to come in. It took all night for them to clear the downed trees in the roads. Still, personally I like the mild winters for driving and walking in.. But, I worry about our industries that depend on the snow..

I had my Favorites link all set up to go immediately to "last 24 hours" and had it sorted by date to "latest first".. Then was use to hitting the favorites link everytime I got out of the post I was in, as it moved fatester then the back button, and if you posted or anything, the back could be several backs.. I will see what the dropdown next to login name will get me.. (all I see is a place to describe more about me.. And an area where I can set text colors and borders & stuff).. Has anyone found how to create a new thread. RememberSchiff does because he started this one.. I can only post to threads already created..

Very different! I am lost! How did you start a new thread? I could only see how to add to an old thread, so I put something in the one Terry-scouter had started.. Have you found how to arrange things for all forums?? The link for latest threads seem to be at the sub forum level only.. I don't want to thread through post from 2001 !!! There are some neat features though.. If I can figure out how to navagate and start new threads my equilibrium might come back. Also I tried posting to another thread and got an obnoxious "Syntax error - invalid charactor" .. I took it down to the very first paragrah with the same error, then put all in but first paragraph still same error.. Errrrghhh!

Help! Lost in new forum!! I didn't see how to post a new topic, just post to old topic.. Since this was a topic started by Scouter-Terry, I decided to come here to scream.. Help! lost in new forum!!! I got the topics, At that level I can read all comments as they are entered in a mish-mash of all topics.. I can see selection of forums.. Hit one, sorted by first topic ever posted (like back to 2001).. See latest, click that, a little better, for that topic.. Any way to select "All topics", latest posts, (then preferable I then sorted those by date of last post, so the threads were sorted by the latest post and I could see when someone made a new comment to a thread I was following..) but if can't get that sort, I will live.. Then how do you start a new thread??? Otherwise Terry, excited about the new forum, If only I can learn to navagate it.

Someone sounds a little paranoid. There's alot of that going around. On more issues then this one current one in BSA.. A gay couple wanting their children to be raised with the values of the BSA, and would like to be a part of the adult leadership of unit their son joined, is not some awful plot to kill all values in America.. Nor is a boy who has been in scouting for 10 to 12 years, figures out he is homosexual but wants to continue his journey to Eagle rank without having to lie, or hide in the closet.. If your fearful, find a unit that bans them.. Any unit who does welcome them, can still remove them if their actions cause the cohesiveness of the unit to breakdown.. We have dealt with non-homosexual youth and parents whose actions have negative effects on our units, and if the unit has any wits about them, they handle it before the unit explodes.. If the unit does not handle it well, we loose a unit.. BSA goes on.

But you still get to discriminate based on behavior.. You can deny based on if they are drunks, wife beaters, foul mouthed, not allow in a stripper or a homosexual.. All denied because of behavior.. But, you just can't tell your neighboring troop what they need to deny or discriminate on based on behavior.. So you can't be upset if the homosexual becomes an adult leader in your neighboring troop.. But last year you couldn't be upset if your neighboring troop accepted the stripper either.. So if your neighboring troop had scoutmaster Candypanties, sorry, it wasn't something you could say boo to, as long as she had no criminal record.. Now the same is true of the homosexual married to another man raising 2 children family man Scoutmaster in the troop next door.. If you were fine with allowing your neighbor to have a stripper scoutmaster last year, why are you upset that today, you can't tell them they can't have that wonderful father and family man who happens to by homosexual as scoutmaster..

Well, I don't think descrimination is allowing you to decide how you want to run your unit.. I could understand feeling your values are desciminated against if they had changed to a policy where all units must treat homosexuals fairly. After all, that would put you in the very position everyone on our side of the issue has felt for a very long time. fred - I agree with NJCubScouter that local units can figure it out based on how their troops are run.. About a year or so back I wrote in a thread, I would give an openly homosexual boy a seprate tent.. Well, someone thought that was horrible, I would be not treating him fairly.. But, as we discussed it, I found out he was from England where a whole patrol (males and females) all sleep in one big tent.. I explained that here we mostly have 2 man tents, and in my troop it was always a priviledge to get your own tent.. If possible it was a benefit for the SPL, ASPL, (and if enough tents) each patrol leader.. So, in our troop while it might be due to the issue of not knowing where to put him.. (can't put him with a girl, a straight guy, or another gay guy).. It would almost be seen as a side benefit, not as isolating him.. But, that solution may not work for another troop if perhaps they have 4 or 6 man tents.. Or the boys love tent mates for some reason..

I don't think pro-gay is an organization that lets your unit decide for themselves. Pro-gay is an organization telling you that you must accept gays, or change the program to accomidate gays. MomToEli - If your unit makes the choice not to accept gay leaders or scouts, would this not teach by example of standing up for your principles and values and regardless of peer-pressure?.. Do you think your CO will tell you that your unit has to now accept homosexual adult leaders if they are acceptable as a leader in every other way.. Should your son quit his karate class if they allow in a homosexual student? Quit his school if they allow a club for gay youth? In the future quit his job because they have an equal hiring practice? How do you teach him to stand for his values even if pressured by others, if what you do is run away from any pressure, and live in a bubble of safety? No one is forcing your unit to change, unless your CO does..

I don't think so.. But, I am sure they can get some certificate of their Eagle award, and BSA will happily allow them to buy a new one. You don't think they would turn down a chance to make a buck do you?

Starting to see the difference between the normal religious person and a bible Thumper?? Well not being of this group, I can't really speak for them, but this is my perspective. First, there have been a few in this forum who have time and time again stated that they could not understand why those of us who wanted the change, stayed and argued the cause.. They would say something like "Go, start your own scouting group, Why stay if you disagree?".. For those who told us to leave, and now are planning to leave if changes are now not what they like, you have to give them credit.. We didn't understand their point of view that said we should leave, but they did.. So, now if things go against their viewpoints they will follow their own advice.. Many people did leave or never joined, due to the current policy.. Those who wanted change, but did not see it benificial to fight from the outside, or felt the good parts of BSA outweighed their faults.. We still can't see that point of view.. So, leaving just doesn't make sense.. That is the group you fall in PChadbo.

Lots of double, triple, Quad posts.. For some reason site is slower in returning you back to thread after you hit submit.. It causes people to second guess if they hit the submit button and others out of frustration to click submit rapidly multiple times. I find if I look up at the tab and a little blue circle is swirling round & round, then I did click submit, it's just taking a long time to process.. (I'm on Internet Explorer, so don't know about other web browsers.)

MattR- just throw it under Open discussion - Program.. It's the catch-all when it could fit into alot of sections - or - none.. Just restate the question as in, but let people know that you don't want to discuss the pros & cons of the decision as there are multiple threads to do that, but rather how to deal with the decision when discussing the issue with your CO and Adult leaders.. (if your CO still wants to ban membership, it might end at that).. More important may be if you think your CO will want to open it's doors.. Then there would be a need to discuss with your committee some of their fears or concerns.. You still might get a few advising you to give up and close the troop down, as all is lost in scouting.. But hopefully between those comments you will get some valuable advice. Oh, about your local paper calling you, you should probably call your council and get a name of who there you should direct them to for comment. Someone at our Council Planning meeting stood up last night and indicated he was the person in our council, those calls should be directed to. I am sure, your council has set up a similar plan.(This message has been edited by moosetracker)