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I am not sure I have it right, you kindof rambled. I have got Troop Committee Member, ASM both troop, then lots of training for Cubs the BALOO is cub scouts, the OWLS is cub scouts.. I am not sure what OLS.. If that is what I call IOLS (Intro to outdoor Leader Skills)(That is 95% the same as OWLS, but the training card needs to read IOLS for it to count for ASM) then that is something you need for ASM.. You also need Boy Scout ScoutMaster/ASM Specific Training (which is slated to go on-line, but has yet to do so. So to take it you must look for a course offering.. Then on-line, you need troop level Fast Start & Youth Protection & This is scouting for both TCM and ASM. Then on-line Troop committee Challenge for Committee member.. For ASM, it is helpful for you to have some of the optional Hazardous Weather, Safe Swim, Safty afloat etc.. One adult leader on every outdoor event will need the Hazardous weather.. The others will come up depending on the activity the troop partakes in.. If you are not in CS, then don't take the OWLS.. It would be a waste of your time. Take the IOLS..

Scoutfish - Why the surprise and hurt feelings when they do to you..what the two of you did to somebody else? You make it sound like these two cheated the system to steal these postions from two deserving canadates. What these two did hurt no one.. They promised to do the positions on the committee.. One asked in return to be granted voting rights and received them.. They have done their positions with more enthusiasm and care then most of your average committee members.. True these two have been hurt by others breaking rules and not keeping those promises.. But these two have hurt no one.. Many times we have discussed the way committees follow or do not follow the recommended policies.. Some give the vote to their SM and ASM's.. Some allow parents who are not registered on the committee to have a vote.. Some don't even have a committee and the whole committee is in name only while the CM or SM run everything.. Yes policy was not followed to give them the vote, as much policy as any unit that gives their SM/CM and assistants the vote.. Because that is what they did they gave ASM's a vote. The real rule broken is the one the COR orchistrated herself to put a 19 yo into the CC position, and shuffle the paperwork.. And I will agree that should not have been done. But I disagree with the notion that these two have hurt anyone. They have been hurt, they have not hurt anyone.

So you got to hear from the two young adults in question, and can get a small flavor of their personalities. I did want to make a correction. When I stated.. Basically time will have to mellow the feeling my son sees in black & white, and can not see shades of gray.. I meant that this was the view of the COR, and the CC (or at least at one time by the CC, I am told by my son she has since talked to him, and has modified that view. But I think the COR is still of that opinion..).. This is not my view.. Although I will say that son can be stubborn & exasperating it is usually just something between parent/ child.. I think my husband has just did what packsaddle just mentioned. Because although he has been back & forth with me, and driving me nuts, he never said a word of his feelings to the other troop leaders, then just Bam.. He told them over the phone he will be leaving when the summer break starts.. I think my son & his fiance have stated they will leave the committee if the vote is taken away from them and are doing that for the troop (but fiance is not also giving up the CC at Pack level).. I do not know if they have threatened anything else.. Maybe a little puffing up and trying to reason with them, but I don't think they have been guilty of idle threats.. They are now at the committee meeting, and I have a feeling it will be a long one.. So you like my sons username?? Geesh I looked at that and said, "you have to type that in before every post!".. He knew that, but chose it anyway.. I suggest just calling him blacksmith..

Welcome to my roller coaster ride.. Or is this my nightmare? Will they wont they, Yes, maybe Yes, maybe No, No.. Most definately No.. Well then again, maybe Yes.. I am a little bit more sure my husband will be jumping off the train, may not be before the wreck though.. The emailed out the list of Nominations like I said. What I didn't say was on the email, they stated those committee members who could not be present could email in their vote.. So my husband did not want everyone wasting their vote on him, when he was not running.. So he called them, and over a voice message, told them that he was not running, and further more, he would stay to the end of the school then would be leaving the troop.. I asked if he still would if his son did win SM.. He says yes, he will come to the troop on and off for advisory, if our son asked him, but would no longer be an officially registered in any position of the troop.. Yes.. Yes.. I am still crossing my fingers that things do not change, but.. Yes...

Hey Son, get your own username, Easier for everyone to tell who is posting what.. Very weird to see you have posted something you did not.. (But honestly he will tell me I took his username, as his nickname is Moose, I just took it during an age when I had to constantly trackdown the Moose.. I don't track him as much anymore..) qwaze - I was the one who kept the minutes of the meetings at the time it was voted in.. Actually at the time I was in the CC position temporarily until they could find a new CC.. I took it for exactly 6 months, because I knew when I planeed to leave the troop, so I knew I could not get tricked into it any longer (though they did try to conviently forget that too, and force me to stay on longer..) Anyway, I just let my son come in give his proposal, and stayed out of the discussion and the vote.. I though was not against the situation, as the committee was working in skeleton mode with only those of us whose sons had already aged out of the program. Anyway, about 4 months back I deleted that folder of my time as CC.. It was an old job, and no longer needed.. It would not have done him any good anyways, as they already forethought that I might have the minutes of the meetings and disqualified them stating since I was CC at the time, I could have doctored them.. (Huh, I wasn't the sectretary, so why would I have the ability to Doctor them as CC better then I could have Dr. them as some other committee position?) And I don't know why they stated that I would have Doctored them and not my husband.. He is the one fighting with the kids, I haven't said a word to them.) Personally I really don't have a preference of the outcome. If my son was allowed to keep the rights they granted him, he would have been treated fairly. But, if their behavior gets my family closer to the door and voting with their feet.. Well.. Let them continue to act as they wish.. But, I have been told they kept him on the nomination list for SM, along with Fiance for the Troop CC.. I know fiance will not give up the cub scout CC, but would now not run for the Troop CC.. Son though is still running for SM.. If he wins, husband will probably not leave either.. Of course fiance will not leave (although she will be ASM & not on committee).. Now, if they don't want son to be SM, and they wanted to stonewall him.. Why didn't they take him off that based on the age requirements, and let him have the vote, figuring he would probably vote for his father if he wasn't voting for himself.. That decision would have probably made a little ripple seeing the 19 yo is CS CC.. But I don't think as much of a ripple..

This is the son...responding on Moms forum as I havent gotten around to making one of my own. 2 things you need to realize when I took the position there were not many leaders and all the leaders were sick of taking on more positions. They were getting worn out and there were still empty postions. I took it because it needed to be filled as things weren't getting done but I had the stipulation that I could vote because.....put it this why would you go to work if you weren't getting payed?.....Same principle...It wouldnt be fair to ask sombody to take on a responsibility and not give them the benifits that go with it. The boys dont like the scout master......We've gotten multiple complaints and we've asked everyone thats left the troop why they did...answer... Scoutmaster or it was no fun anymore because we weren't doing scout stuff....which again is the Scoutmaster because of how he handles things.(This message has been edited by moosetracker)

qwazse - I don't understand this statement "You. You picked the unit, roll with the punches! My husband & I when my son was 12-13, looked at this unit, and then had my son visit it along with two others.. True this was our first choice.. My son is now 20.. that is at least 7-8 years back.. Alot of changes have happened in 7-8 years a few SM's have rolled over, a few CC's have rolled over, a totally differen CC.. And except for 3 others & my family, every adult leader that was there then, is not there now. All the people they really enjoyed the company of, has come and gone, there really is no solid friendship for them at troop level any more. Just acquantences.. Also I did chosen to leave, about 2 years back, so no matter how good their coffee is, I will not be there. I am though invested in my family, for some reason, they just continue to be of concern to me no matter how old they get..

Oh yes, and my husband will not mention he is not interested in SM position until tonights meeting.. He will wait until they name him as on the nominating ballot then reply "Not interested".. Petty.. Yes.. But, with the game they played with not informing my son & DIL in advance of the decision, and then just by public announcement, yet there desire to smooth things over with my husband, and not the two young people.. Two phone calls and an email to him to try to smooth things with him.. Not a single word to the two people who they really should be talking to. No, he is not of the mood to be very communicative with them..

Some good news.. Hubby, is grinding teeth and thinking about situation at work, called me to inform me that he has almost definately decided to walk away from the troop.. I will have to wait to see if this really comes about.. All I could do was say.. "Good idea.. We are to lead by example, so you staying there is not the example you want to give son & fiance. Walk away, let them get run over a few time, maybe then they will walk away also, sooner rather then later.." Yeah, Hubby.. One down, two to go.. The decision to give my son the vote was with the current COR in power. The old COR would not have let my son on the committee. Although the current COR is fine with the young CC, she doesn't want my son as SM, even at 21.. My son is very organized, probably can lead the troop well, but he has had out & out clashes with the current SM that they thought were over the top for him to be having.. Basically time will have to mellow the feeling my son sees in black & white, and can not see shades of gray.. He has toned it down in the last 6 months, but it is still too soon for them to change that opinion. Me, I am not of the troop, so I have not said a word to anyone but my immediate family. Yes, my son & husband are on the nomination ballot for SM (maybe).. My son asked to be on the nomination ballot, but they may have removed him and not informed him. My husband feels my son & fiance should have the vote, even if they vote against him. My husband was not excited by the SM position, but would have reluctently taken it on to reorganize the troop, now, he will not do that.. And (hopefully) they have just lost him as the Advancement chair.. Plus my son as outdoor coordinator, plus fiance who was in a position also.. They have other people who have signed on the committee, but will not take on any jobs of responsibility, so the troop will just have to get these people to stop sitting around and take on these functions.. Husband plans to stay for a month to train who ever takes on Advancement in the TroopMaster program and the other duties of this position, so he does not plan to storm out (Let's hope no one trys to talk him into staying on within this one month notice.) With me as District Training Chair and my husband as District Advancement Chair, we are far too busy at district level, to be playing these silly petty games at the unit level.. Don't mean to come off as uppity to the well run units.. Just that this troop and their games are beneath us, not the normal well run unit. In fact if my husband leaves, or my son/fiance.. I would hope son/fiance find another unit.. I would not be against my husband finding another unit also, just not so hopeful.

lacks the courage.. The man recently lost his job, she just couldn't add to that.. Not the same thing, but the COR who was before her had to remove a CC due to him being upset at the SM decision not to sign his son's Eagle application, until he put in 6 months more of scout spirit.. (long story, but it was about the scout, really didn't lead project mother did, and he really had no scout spirit.) He became very hostile to the troop, and the SM, COR.. Basically a loose cannon.. COR knew there was only one solution, which was to remove him. Yet still she held an emergency committee meeting, presented the problem, and held a committee vote for removal.. Yet I wouldn't call it a true election process, just a way to make sure that she would not loose the whole unit with the decision. Current SM isn't a loose cannon.. Just not the right personality for the position.. But, still.. COR could have done something similar so that she did not take all the blame for the decision. Old COR did appoint the next SM, but still it was like a committee decision, because if the new "chosen one" was reluctant, the committee in good fun would banter him until he accepted.. One time they kept putting signs on his front lawn and work lawn.. Mr. ______ for Scoutmaster..

Very True.. It is because the COR doesn't have the guts to tell the current SM, "Your out.." But, she may end up with the current SM for another year depending on how elections go tonight.. They suggested & started the election process only about a year ago, because the COR could not fire the SM.. The first election there was no ready or willing to step up & run against the SM, so he won the election of last year. This year the COR wanted my husband in place to run, so nominated him.. But, then she pulls this the eve of the elections, and still thinks she has all her ducks in a row.. For some reason she doesn't understand that my husband, who is all about empowering the kids (Which includes those 18 - 21 and even those 21 - 25 yo..).. Would not take the nomination based on this discision.. She figures my husband will win easily.. Take him out of the equation in the race, and there is no one that she wants.. But, my husband would have been SM, by allowing all the 18 - 25 yo's take on alot of the SM functions, and would then mentor them, as well as the ASM's who are older (of parent age).. Frankly, at this time in my husbands life, he doesn't want SM, so by taking on the position it would have been for a year, while he empowered and trained who ever was interested in the position, so that there would have been plenty of good well qualified canadates at the next years election, rather then alot of wanna-be's.. Yes, he would bring back the boy-run troop and empower those who should really run the troop, the boys.. But he would also train the others on how to guide a boy run troop.. Get the troop running in the right direction.. And then leave the position.. If the committee will not embrace empowering the young people anyone from 10 or 11 up to 21.. Then there is nothing he can do to fix the troop.(This message has been edited by moosetracker)

Much as you like to control your world & the people in it, they are just going to do what they are going to do.. Many of you might see this as a reason why young people are not on the BSA committee, to me it is just people who want what they want, and do not realize how they run over others with their lopsided principles.. My son has been the outdoor coordinator for the troop since he was 18 years old, he told them he would take the position if he was giving voting rights on the committee, to which they agreed, by committee vote, to let him have the vote.. Ever since then he has been voting on little things that really had no conflict and were pretty much a 100% vote for whatever the committee agreed to.. "Any one want to make a motion... Anyone want to 2nd the motion.. Everyone in Favor.. The ayes have it.." His fiance comes along and also is asked by the adults to take a small committee position in the troop, so she does.. Has been voting, but never made it a stipulation of her taking the position.. Since then, she was asked by the COR to serve as Committee Chair for the Pack.. Even though she told them, she was only 19, they didn't have anyone else, and begged her.. Paperwork for Registration?.. Per the COR.. "Oh we will throw someone elses name on the register as CC to get around the paperwork.." (This my husband & I think is asking too much of a 19 year old, but my son's fiance took the position.) Now, comes a very important vote that will have some heated voting. They are looking for a new SM.. The current one is running, but he is not right, and most everyone wants to replace him.. Many are wanting to run.. COR nominated my husband.. My son put his name in the hat, though not 21 until September.. (Reasoning is) If his 19 yo fiance can be Committee Chair, he can be SM, and he would be 21 before the recharter date of Dec 1st.. Also running is someone 21, great people wise, not very organized.. Someone else who only does something when asked, and still in cub scout mode.. And the current SM who has 90% of the scouts & parents upset at him for some reason.. Also the 19 yo CC for the cubscouts (son's fiance) is nominated for CC of the troop.. All of a sudden the "who can vote in this election" comes up.. COR says son & fiance have no right to vote because they are not 21, and are officially listed as ASM, not committee.. They don't remember the vote 2.5 years back that gave my son the vote.. This issue is announced at last commitee meeting, COR & her husband (who is the units UC) will look into what is "Nationals policy" on the subject, because "We can't go aganist Nationals rules.." If you don't see the humor in this comment, reread the whole post again.. They will get back to the young people and let them know.. Well we all know nationals rules, but my family argues about all the things they do not follow with Nationals rules.. Son's fiance ask that they contact them with the decision as early as possible, because if she has the vote she needs to arrange with her Professor a night out of a class that meets on this evening. Then no word.. Although Husband & son have emailed to ask their decision, no response email back, not even a "We are still looking into the matter". Tonight is the vote.. Yesterday afternoon the CC called my husband to ask him to call her about how the elections would be run.. He did not, he was angry about them not responding to his emails, or sons email. At 10:00 pm a general notice goes out to everyone that the elections were open for anyone to attend but only those "listed" as committee members had a vote.. Meaning our two young people do not have a vote.. Then the CC emails my husband to say sorry, but I hope they stay on as ASM's and continue to help our committee out in their positions.. Did not even send an email with this expression to the two young people involved.. Sent it to the father of.. Like they are to be treated as if they were cub scouts.. They have sent emails out to "the father of" before on other issues, and have been sternly talked to by the young people about this being insulting to them to be treated like this.. Husband, son, his fiance now all upset.. I am thinking "Yes, they will now leave the troop".. Seriously, if you can not tell by this writing the troop (and pack too) have unfixable issues.. But, No.. son & fiance will give up the committee position (in troop), fiance still is staying on as CC in the Pack.. Husband will not run for SM tonight. Husband wants to leave, may leave if tonight angers him enough, but is feeling like he has to stay on if the kids stay on.. He fears for them getting run over, without him being there.. (At 19 & 21.. He is still there to protect them.. I am between thinking how wrong my husband is for staying as at this age they make their own decisions, and if they get run over some more, they can then leave.. But, also how wrong my kids are for not pulling out of this situation if it is this bad.) Can not control my Husband, son, fiance, or the troop I decided to leave when I saw it going downhill from it's former grand position as one of the top troops of our district.. All I can do is look at the mess, and the pig headed people I care about and continue to watch this train wreck..(This message has been edited by moosetracker)

I have to disagree with jamist649. The COR & CO have the ability to hire & fire the adult leaders of a BSA unit. If they do not get involved, the committee Chair - through a vote with the committee, can hire/fire the adult leaders.. The CM, can not hire/fire anyone, but it is his job to make sure the DL's are doing their job.. (In certain situations, this can put the CM in a difficult position if the CC & CM are not seeing eye to eye.. So you can talk nicely to the CC in a helpful and friendly manner so as find yourself put up on the "selling block" at the next committee meeting.. Or you can seek out your absentee COR and see if you can coerce him into helping out..

I'm with you Basement.. And lets not forget the Flag Retirement ceremony.. The cheating for winning may have been all the ASM with the kids being clueless and not questioning that logically they should not have won while missing half the events unless all the other troops were pitiful.. Or they could know exactly how they won, and not care. But the Flag Retirement ceremony and lack of respect, you need to put square on their shoulders.. Unless this was the first ceremony they ever had been to, and the ASM said, "Just go for it".. with no instructions.. They had to have known that they were being disrespectful, and not performing the ceremony correctly.. A learning expierence, and a time to let them know this type of behavior will not be tolerated in the future..

I have the same issue, I don't do mummy bags. I am normally a warm weather camper, but end up camping late Octobers for some Scout-O (orienteering) events we enjoy, and sometimes my IOLS/OWLS trainings run during cold weather. I normally am the one who is always cold even when others in the house are warm. I have taken to bringing a wool blanket with me.. On the coldest of cold nights I put it in my sleeping bag, if just slightly chilly I put it outside the bag.. This does the trick.

Sorry to disagree with you Beavah' but I do. You sound like those lovely parents who turn a blind eye to their childs mis-behaving ways regardless of how many people bring the story up with similar versions.. Jet has also indicated that knowing this ASMs personality.. The ASM places a lot of importance on the patrol winning because of their special needs and her ego as well. If Jet felt there was a question about what he is hearing due to feeling the ASMs in question would never do that, the patrol in question would never do that, the people he is hearing the story from are prone to be complainers with their own agenda for their own child.. But, they are people who had not children involved, or planned not to place well due to abscences. So if you are an ASM of a Troop, and you had no personal reason to be bitter.. Why would you come back to the troop to slander your winning patrol.. With a normal unit this would be something a who Troop would take pride in and rally around.. To just brush off such serious accusations of cheating, does not do these boys any favors, or the Troop as a whole.. To turn a blind eye to cheating sends the wrong message to the boys who cheated to do it again.. It also sends the wrong message to the other boys of the other patrols, that the scout law is just a bunch of words. It will send the message to the other ASMs who brought up the complaint, that you don't take them seriously and/or that the purpose of this unit is to "win at any cost".. They can either change their viewpoint, or yank their kid and go to a different troop. If you do not address the situation as being serious, and let those involved know that it is serious, you do this whole unit a great injustice that could hurt them for years to come. Just what you want, a whole troop that is raised by SM's & ASM's who turn a blind eye to anything thier scouts do wrong, and wave those who bring up the matter to you as whiners.. The kids of parents who do this, never grow up to have ethics, nor will this unit.

The Unit who hosted the camporee or the Activity Chair would know (or know who the unit was who hosted.).. But our camporees just get a plaque or trophy.. Getting compasses & flashlights that were individually passed out would be difficult getting them to cough them up.. Of the things I listed, sounds like that would probably be the hardest, and most complex to enforce.. But, sounds like it is not something only your troop knows. It is something that other troops questioned when the winning team was announced. That is unfortunate, as it ruins your reputation and there may not be any way to repair it except for fading memories of time.

If I had to choose, I would put emphisis on the cheating to place first, and the disrepect of the Flag ceremony.. And alot of what you rattled off points to the cheating.. The morning uniform inspection (if no points, then scout spirit award would have been damaged).. Getting more time for the cookoff contest (may have helped, maybe not).. Definately the full points for games they did not attend is the biggest of the cheating. The ASM who is an adult and allowed or was the main instigator of this activity, should be first to be brought to task, I could even discuss removing her from an ASM position. The boys though also should be brought to task, I do not know how you go about awarding the deserving Unit (the one who got second place).. But I would look into it, although it might cause a bumping motion (2nd to 3rd, 3rd to 4th) Definately a long talk about how you are winners if you do your best even if you don't win.. When you cheat you are automatically loosers.. This is definately not a victory to proudly announce at any upcomming court of honor.. I am not even sure they would deserve their camporee patch..

I took advantage of the selling off of the uniform shirt it will be replacing.. Not that I like all the pockets etc but I couldn't resist the price of $4.99..

Well I doubt he contributes to the FOS, since he is still donating to scouting more then his fair share out of personal money for the units needs.. But he has stated driving the boys to other districts to attend their events..

Hmm.. we are shrinking to the a__holes are not the Council paid executives, are not a majority group of "good ol' boys" holding District volunteer positions, but comes down to one lady and another he/she?? who have formed the Activity district positions.. Question, were they the ones who said get the Camp school and we will talk, then get woodbadge and we'll talk.. Or was this someone else trying to give you helpful suggestion on what might help your predicament?? I am happy you verbally expressed your opinions to them.. After hearing all this, I would move up the chain of command with your complaints to the District committee chair, and the DE.. a two person group may not hold that much power if others above them in the district are given information about their antics.. Surely your Key-3 contact info should be posted on your Districts web site..

Basement - I am not quite sure if the clash is with the DE, or with the volunteer district committee, who have formed a "good ol' boys" club.. But comments similar to this I jumped thru their hoops to make the cub events happen, Camp School, woodbadge. I had already recruited volunteers, they were from other districts, But they still were quality volunteers. They killed one event after another. Maybe now you are content, just aspire to be nothing more than what I am, Den Leader, CM and Adviser and ASM. Perfectly happy here. I would too. You'd be a fool to keep chasing that carrot they dangle in front of you but then yank away. If your DE and others at the paid level don't know you and are not part of this game of cat & mouse with you, and you don't ask for your fair share of support.. Then accept for the lack of upkeep to the camps, your anger may be misplaced at them. The lack of district programming is to be run at the district volunteer level.. If the district volunteers are the ones not allowing in new blood with fresh ideas and enthusiam, not providing adequate programs, and the one who is dangling that carrot on you and none of the Council paid staff even know who you are.. Then the beef not with your council.. How much influence does a DE have over his volunteer staff??.. Not much, if the volunteer staff is knowledgeable enough to know that he/she has no say over their operations.. The DE can come find out what they are doing, ask that things be done (hope that they will get done), make suggestions such as bringing in new blood, or looking around a filling vacant positions. The District volunteer staff can support him and try to make the DE's life easier, or not.. For all you know your DE may be hating his District volunteer pool as much as you do, and he is just stuck with no ability to drive them out and replace them.. Now if the committee is not wise to the DE lack of power in their arena, the DE can pull a power play and take over the running of the operation. But, it sounds like your District volunteer staff has been around the block a few times, and can probably make life miserable for the DE.. I am not stating that you came into BSA with a chip on your shoulder and that your attitude is the reason that you were not allowed to work at district level.. But rather the "good ol' boys" have been playing games with you (probably at the start, the same games they play on everyone else in order to assure that they stay top dog and you know your place..) You though kept trying where most gave up and went back to there units, and the more they played games with you the more frustrated and angry you became.. You have been a delightful play toy for men who never grew up from the playground bully mentallity.. I find it hard to believe that you can show such anger and frustration on this board, and not have shown the same attitude to the people who are causing you this anger and frustration..

Thanks so much ASM.. Extremely helpful.. In my own reseach I came across the web site describing the Web of Life game, I thought about it as an intro to the Leave-No-Trace presentation I also am doing. But, looked at the time it too to play, and it would have eatten up too much time.. But I never thought about it being an example of the outdoorsmen Activity pin. It would be a great game for the Webeloes to play at a den meeting! All the other ideas are great too.. I feel the same way you do about the plants/animal id. Where can I find someone with knowledge to present it for me? I do like the dichotomous Key for trees & shrubs.. It is a way to show those of us who don't know how to take others who don't know through plant identification.. The blind leading the blind and figuring it out..

Can't we all just be friends, and get along? Seriously I see Doc's viewpoint. I see Basement's.. Basement has a right to be angry and upset with his district.. BUT.. His negative attitude will make him no friends, and it is truely a reason he can work hard to try to get his name onto the approved list to host District events, but he will never get on the list.. Still it is wrong for those in his district to string him along and tell him he needs to go to one training to get to host District events.. Then when accomplish tell him he needs to go to woodbadge to get on that approved list.. They are dangling carrots at him, knowing all the while they will not put him on the list for any reason.. Which .. surprise, surprise.. makes Basement more angry and negative...

Ours registrar usually needs to March to enter not only our district, but the whole council into the computer.. The Youth protection that My BSA recorded, but did not get sent to council, (90% I think is people did not put their Council & Membership # into their profile of myScouting, but there are other computer glitches) Any way this year hand entering all those was an extra burden and slowed him down.. I think with our district he finished about 2 weeks back.