Merlyn_LeRoy

Just because I call a unit a Scientology unit does not mean I'm implying it only allows Scientologists. It's chartered by the church of Scientology.

There have been Scientology units for years: Troop 0313 Church Of Scientology 210 S Fort Harrison Ave Clearwater,FL,33756 Troop 0555 Delphi Academy 11341 Brainard Ave Lake View Terrace,CA,91342 http://www.delphitroop555.org/troop555/ Also, just as a comment, I recall a few years back how nearly everyone insisted that a Taoist who is also an atheist wouldn't ever have any problems being in the BSA.

Well, they certainly could try suing for similar recruiting opportunities, but that would also mean every church in the area and Satanists would have to get the same recruiting access. The Freethought Society is a chapter of the Freedom From Religion Foundation, which has no requirements apart from the annual $40 membership, and presumably still being alive, though Christopher Hitchens is an "In Memoriam" member of the FFRF honorary board.

http://lancasteronline.com/news/local/freethought-society-challenges-octorara-on-boy-scout-policy/article_43af23dc-e1ea-11e4-b04a-7b40cf8159d8.html And the prize for completely missing the point goes to: Charlie Rogers, scout executive with the Chester County Council of Boy Scouts of America, said no parents or Scouts from Octorara or other area troops have made discrimination complaints to the council. “Our programs are open to all kids regardless of sexual orientation,†he said.

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Lemmings don't actually suicide off cliffs, that's a myth.

My irony meter just exploded.

I'm fine with open discussion; you might notice I don't hold back my opinion, either. Seriously, skeptic's constant whining about "PC" is ridiculous.

This is just the whining of people who can't stand being criticized.

That's what I said. The BSA wasn't considered a business establishment under the Unruh act, so their discrimination wasn't even addressed. Did you have a point? And the BSA probably pays less attention to you as I do here. (deleted by Packsaddle...fair warning) "Do you have any actual examples of acknowledged atheist Buddhists not being kicked out by the National BSA?" See that --->NOT<--- in there? And since I've clearly stated the same thing, I don't know what "narrative" you're referring to. But since you read my previous question as if I had said the exact opposite, that's hardly surprising. Saying "the BSA kicks out atheists" is like saying they kick out child molesters. It's clear they don't kick out all of either group.

The KKK seems pretty sincere. There are racist religions too, like the Christian Identity movement. Like I said, the judges in California clearly think the BSA's discrimination is covered by their ethical standards. Because it wasn't considered a business establishment under the Unruh act. That had nothing to do with the BSA's discrimination. I don't know of a single case of an "acknowledged atheist" Buddhist being allowed in the BSA that National knows about; any particular Buddhist could be an atheist, but none are required to be atheists. Do you have any actual examples of acknowledged atheist Buddhists not being kicked out by the National BSA?

Oh, *I* didn't cause any issues, that was the BSA's dishonesty and bigotry all the way. I assume you're against any sort of legal action in this case? After all, you always, always, always criticize atheists for suing the government when they think their rights are unlawfully infringed, so I'm sure you'd criticize any judge or lawyer that attempts a lawsuit over this, right?

Hey, I wondered when the BSA would stop chartering units to public schools. Turns out, they wouldn't until they were forced to.

Hey Fred, I know you won't answer, but you might want to look up how some people on this board have responded to me when I point out that the BSA practices religious discrimination and how my government can't support that.

People equivocate all the time, too.

No, for now, judges can't be members of the BSA. That's what the judges actually say it means. No. A Restricted club excluded Jews, only. I'm not the one saying judges got their own rules wrong. You are. You were quite clear. You're wrong. Ridiculous. The ethics rules would SAY "illegal" if they MEANT "illegal". They don't. You still haven't even produced a definition of "invidious" that requires illegality. And that they throw out atheists, too. Because "invidious" and "illegal" are two different words that mean two different things.

Are you incapable of any logic at all? Not all discrimination is illegal discrimination. Not all discrimination is invidious discrimination. Like religion? Does that mean you agree that the BSA practices "invidious discrimination", because religious discrimination is illegal in some cases? Wait, are you saying a Restricted club that excludes Jews isn't "invidious discrimination"?

It's an equivocation thing, on your end. The state of California also discriminates against the KKK because of the KKK's discrimination. ​You know, membership standards and all that. Their's includes not belonging to organizations that could bring the impartiality of the courts into question, like organizations that say gays are "unclean".

Nope, I actually argue. I also pointed out how it was illegal to have public schools charter units, way back when I first started posting here. Not many people believed me back then. Because all I'm interested in is the BSA's discrimination, particularly when that illegally infringes on other people. I suggest you whine harder. See, this is exactly why I fight bigots like yourself. It's "sad" to stop institutionalize discrimination against atheists by public schools, because all the good, god-believing kids lose out. Cry me a river. The only times the BSA has moved to treat atheists as anything other than despised second-class citizens is after they lose legal cases, such as when they lost the Chicago case that forced the city to stop chartering Explorer posts. A few months later, Exploring was moved into Learning for Life so government entities could use it again. And the program didn't need to change one whit, because excluding gays and atheists had nothing to do with the program -- the only reason for the BSA to exclude them was bigotry at the highest levels. Intellectual coward.

Of course, when idiots DO try to "enforce" their religion, they get sent to prison: http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/dec/06/muslim-vigilantes-jailed-sharia-law-attacks-london

Well, I thought part of this was trying to figure out what the BSA means by whatever it's saying this week, and that part reads as if the youth has to follow the same religion as his parents. Now of course that's a dumb interpretation, but the BSA also says you have to have some belief in a god/higher power yet admits Buddhists.