MattR

You're right, we shouldn't treat others badly. But speaking of different opinions, I assume teasing is okay? At least if it's gentle? If not let me know and I'll remove all of my other posts in this thread. Oops, there I go again. In other words, looking for smoke shifters can be used as an opportunity to show scouts how to stop things before they go too far, how to be gentle and how to pay attention to how others respond to your actions. But you're right that, if not done right, it can get out of hand and people get hurt. But that's all the fun parts of scouting. It's a good thing we have the scout law to explain this to the scouts. There, I can end one post in this thread seriously. Doh!

Enough. This is like arguing over where curly brackets go in C. This thread started in 2011 and was added to in '12 through '16 before being started again recently. And nothing has changed with regard to pinning mentor pins on uniforms. Some people care and some don't.

I don't believe the KKK was ever considered a noble organization. It's less that "almost any institution" from the past can't "withstand the scrutiny of the present" so much as no institution can withstand scrutiny based on its own grandiose view of itself. It's where humility should come in.

One way to speed up the validation would be to hold the lawyers that signed the claims accountable. My understanding is that they were supposed to vet the claims they signed. So, just take the lost money out of their earnings where they didn't do their job. They make 40% if they did their job but they lose 100% if they were sloppy. Call it a cost of doing business. I'm sure I could come up with more rules to reduce the bad voting as well.

You didn't quote my entire post. In this case you should have. look closely at the small print way at the bottom. I was joking. Have a good day!

In my neck of the woods it's not the knots you need to hide so much as your pulse.

No, if they followed precedent they would have split cit world into world and universe.

They combined all of the Cit MB's and the DEI MB into one. Apparently this is the first of many changes in the entire MB program. had you going there for a bit. Admit it.

@lklawson, welcome to the forum, and good luck. It sounds like a fun hobby.

Nice article. Nice troop as well.

Welcome to the forum, @Life. It's really hard for me to believe you're the first person to grab the user name "Life". Don't get me wrong, I was a life scout when I left scouts. Humor is a good way to deal with pain. Best of luck. I'm hoping this forum helps some of those victims. So thank you for being brave and speaking up.

Anyone, I believe. But I'm not sure, as I can see a bit more because I'm a moderator. Articles aren't used. Reputation is driven by an algorithm - so take it with a grain of salt. As long as you're not really getting everyone angry my guess is the reputation is proportional to how long and how much you've posted. As @qwazse said, there are two camp (fires?) on down posts. My version is "praise publicly and punish privately," so I don't use the down arrows. I guess it depends on how you see the down arrow. Is it disagreeing or booing? I can never tell unless someone writes why. But to each his/her own. I don't see them as helpful or harmful, so I mostly ignore them. There are some pinned posts on rules in the New to the Forum" sub forum. Given that this has been the 3rd, I believe, version of the software since I've joined we've tended to ignore the differences. Asking works, so you're doing fine. Not sure that's allowed in the G2SS. We might send you looking for a smoke shifter, though. Oh wait .....

I do. I also realize that nobody does, and the councils like it that way. If just a third of the CC's in my district voted on council issues there would be real feedback. They are the ones that have to deal with council, the CO's have no idea what council does.

I think there's a sweet spot between these 2 posts. As Fred says, scouting is kids outside, learning skills, being challenged and having fun. But think about what challenge means, especially to a teenager. The right challenge is the motivation that brings out the magic in scouts. Somewhere between boring and overwhelming is a good challenge. Not only that but the best motivation is self motivation. The adults sole purpose is to help the scouts find motivation, preferably self motivation. As the scouts become motivated the adults have less to do. That's my interpretation of what Barry has said elsewhere. If the scouts are motivated to try new things then everything else will take care of itself. Scouts respond to different things. Advancement and recognition, high adventure trips, working with younger scouts, servant leadership. Nearly all scouts respond to just hanging with their friends. I think the challenge is giving the adults the tools to make this work. How to work with scouts at different levels of maturity to find that which will give them a passion for scouting.

Real camps don't have wifi. Go sit on a rock and enjoy the breeze.

The training for what I call dangerous stuff seems to shy away from local issues. It's there but not pushed. I will never see Lyme disease or hogweed but I nearly stepped on a sleeping rattler a week ago and altitude sickness is something we have to look out for on several campouts a year. I think it would be great fun for the scouts to learn about all the ways to get hurt in different areas. (I once went on a night hike in the Amazon and they could have called it: all the ways to die in the dark - scouts would love it. "See the colorful frog? If you touch it you will die.") Anyway, I'd certainly like to see a local dangers presentation if I were going to an area I'm not familiar with.

I like that last part.

@ThenNow, it certainly shines a light on the ugly side of "the good guys." To paraphrase a WWII ace that got into plenty of trouble, "show me an organization that claims virtue and I'll show you the dark side to it." Ironic, no? That said, this document still only represents, at most, 13k cases out of 82k. Do you think that 16% is the tail wagging the dog, so to speak?

@CynicalScouter, in the future, please quote content that you haven't created. I didn't know whether the paragraph following the link was your synopsis of a credible source or just a random opinion from someone that's annoyed with the BSA. Just to make myself clear, I have hidden similar mistakes from other posts.

Welcome to the forum, @Runningwolf

This is a great comment. By focusing on one leader the BSA, while talking about leadership, pushes aside teamwork and also responsibility. It's much easier to learn leadership if one is confident in what needs to be done and the team understands how to work together.

I have no idea what the official policies are for dealing with a scout that has been changed but not convicted of a felony. Sounds like someone making a quick decision with partial information. Maybe assuming that these charges will be dropped is also a quick decision with partial information?

Maybe, rather than "teaching" leadership there should be focus on giving scouts "opportunities to learn" leadership or even just "an appreciation" of leadership. Encouraging an internal motivation rather than forcing an external motivation is the difference between fun and school. My son had a soccer coach whose goal was for the kids to learn a "love for the game". He figured if the kids had that then they'd figure out the skills on their own. All of the check boxes and "leadership skills" are external motivation. While some of that is needed to prime the pump, the real goal is beyond that. Making requirements more and more detailed is going the wrong way. How to describe and sell this in a phrase, to both new parents and adult leadership, is the basis of making the adult method work. There's an aspect of play that's also important. Learning how to get along and take care of each other while playing in the outdoors sounds more inviting to me.

Could someone summarize the "fish smell"? Something to do with the COs, Coalition and TCC. I don't have the time to read the past few days of posts. Thanks.

Sometimes, when trying to explain something with an example, people forget what you were originally talking about. Anyway, good luck.