Wow Robin this is a pretty cool site I found it tough going to read all the information but I am very glad I did these guys must be really active, I like their T shirts I wanted to buy one but the online ordering isn't working I have emailed the SL though. I am travelling to Ireland next Summer I have mentioned it to the SL as I would really like to see what them in action. and by the way that is the right spelling for Mafikeng I was there last year and that is how they spell it in South Africa. I think the Jpl idea is really good I think I will suggest it in my troop as a partnership approach to leadership is much better esspecially for young people as they can learn together and plan together and support each other in the patrol without one person being over the other. It has really made me think about the resources availabel to me in my locality we too have a hill I am now looking at in a new light Thanks Robin, I hope you and our troop are ok in New York My thoughts are with you and the familis of your scouts.