marinelaw

Thats very interesting, as we have never made a request or attempted to conduct business with sea base. This is a general marine law/safety concern issue. Seem like your source is getting creative to save face. The military refers to that as CYOA.

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Present this document already! Who was it that signed this agreement? If do you have it...post it, I have even forewarded you my personal email so you can do so, scan the actual fax you have apparently recieved clearly stating this. Produce it. Every marine insurance company that was contacted reguarding coverage, including our own, states that a vessel documented for commercial uninspected 6 pack charter, that is operating with more than 6 passengers would clearly void the vessels policy! So how can a vessel operate safely when uninsured by it's carrier?

Still waiting......

Why the private response? ...Still waiting to see this document posted with authorizing signiatures, Bob....Mich.... you now have my private email (which I expect, you will respect)Scan it and fwd it to me... please. (This message has been edited by marinelaw)

Post it with the authorizing signiature and lets have a look see!

Amazing that within 48 of the USCG saying they have no such document to fax me, that you got one. If you have a signed copy form the USCG office in charge....post it better yet scan it and post it so the authorizing signiature can be seen proper, lets have a look see at it. Better yet, your friends at the base should po(This message has been edited by marinelaw)

It seems as though you are from the "boys will be boys" school who allows these poorly trained and poorly led children to continue this irresponsible behavior with a slap on the wrist so little Johnny does not have poor self esteem for being marked as a bad seed!. Seems a shame. This comparison is simply a great example of how so many boys are allowed to get away with improper and stupid things due to the fact they... well, they're Boy Scouts soooo, that is really a pathetic approch to proper leadership. Leading by example should be focused on. They are Scouts so they get special treatment. Please dont tell me you support the parents who enabled this activity, or that you would support any BSA affiliated activity which is illegal un scout like. Or do you just take pride when special consideration is taken for those who are paying their dues to contine paying national salaries, this is rediculous. The National staff member who molested god knows how many children at the Base, before he was finally stood up to by PROPER Boy Scouts, was probably the Scout who was slapped on the wrist and saw that he could continue through life with out the responsibility of consiquence for his actions until the unthinkable occured. You seem so dead set against the issues of law and safety one would think you are in bed with them!

HOW FRUSTRATING!!! with these incomplete posts! I'll repost again later..(This message has been edited by marinelaw)

This is a good comparison to another poost in the forums right now!!! Perhaps we should compare views on the underage drunken Eagle scout from Mass., who thinks nothing is illeagal or wrong of having his parents throw a boozefest for underage children in his honor(aside the fact that the cops showed up). If t(This message has been edited by marinelaw)

The jones act is irrelevant to this matter, I responded with that for the question of foriegn or US flag. When questioning the USCG Miami I also found they were granted a "stay of execution" if you will. I was also told it expires JULY. This was offered so they had time to comply, which they don't seem to be doing as boats are still carrying 8. I feel Gags is on the right track in his cconcerns. Why are the Boy Scouts allowed special privlage in this matter and allowed to operated above CG regulation. A charterboat, is a charterboat, is a charterboat. Would a criminal be given special treatment because of who he worked for? Would the sentance be ignored or less if he was afiliated with the Boy Scouts. Would a malpractice suit be unwarranted if a physician worked for a hospital as opposed to having his own practice? All pilots and airlines are regulated by a federal office, they all have the same requirements for licensing as well as insurance and rules to which they must abide by. that is why we have regulations is it not? Why is their bias here. I would venture to say there is very few operators if any, chartering through the Sea Base that would come close to to the experience at sea I have logged throughout my lifetime. I would also mention if I were allowed to carry two extra paying passengers on every trip I have taken, I could have retired years ago with the extra money as well as saved thousands on commercially inspected vessels. We (commercially) all pay insurance coverage for certain limits of operative liability as well as are licensed respectively to operate under these regulations. On larger boats that hold COI's(cert. of inspection) for inspected vessels allowed to operated with over 6 capacity, there is rules that apply. Would an inspected vessel with a COI to carry 49 suddenly be allowed to carry 65...absolutely not, they would be fried if caught. On uninspected vessels there are rules and standard regulation that apply as well. We all must comply appropriately or we would live in the wild west again. Did that disgusting employee who molested the 4 children at Sea Base last year get excused from his crimes because he worked "at Sea Base"....your damn right he didn't! What do you think their parents were told that he was given special permission to do so because he was a Boy Scout Employee. Lets be serious here, why does it always have to reach injury or death before someone acts when the Scouts are involved. This is suppopsed to be an organization of Honesty, Integrity, Loyalty, and honor is it not? I hate to preach to the choir but some dont seem to be listening!! Are we now just another organization of substandard activity or are we THE BOYS SCOUT OF AMERICA!!! a group youth and men alike who should uphold all of our founding values It seems some need to review abasic pricipal here or refrain from leading.. On my honor . . . By giving your word, you are promising to be guided by the ideals of the Scout Oath. . . . I will do my best . . . Try hard to live up to the points of the Scout Oath. Measure your achievements against your own high standards and don't be influenced by peer pressure or what other people do. . . . To do my duty to God . . . Your family and religious leaders teach you about God and the ways you can serve. You do your duty to God by following the wisdom of those teachings every day and by respecting and defending the rights of others to practice their own beliefs. . . . and my country . . . Help keep the United States a strong and fair nation by learning about our system of government and your responsibilities as a citizen and future voter. America is made up of countless families and communities. When you work to improve your community and your home, you are serving your country. Natural resources are another important part of America's heritage worthy of your efforts to understand, protect, and use wisely. What you do can make a real difference. . . . and to obey the Scout Law; . . . The twelve points of the Scout Law are guidelines that can lead you toward wise choices. When you obey the Scout Law, other people will respect you for the way you live, and you will respect yourself.. . . To help other people at all times; . . . There are many people who need you. Your cheerful smile and helping hand will ease the burden of many who need assistance. By helping out whenever possible, you are doing your part to make this a better world. . . . To keep myself physically strong, . . . Take care of your body so that it will serve you well for an entire lifetime. That means eating nutritious foods, getting enough sleep, and exercising regularly to build strength and endurance. it also means avoiding harmful drugs, alcohol, tobacco, and anything else that can harm your health. . . . mentally awake, . . . Develop your mind both in the classroom and outside of school. Be curious about everything around you, and work hard to make the most of your abilities. With an inquiring attitude and the willingness to ask questions, you can learn much about the exciting world around you and your role in it. . . . and morally straight. To be a person of strong character, your relationships with others should be honest and open. You should respect and defend the rights of all people. Be clean in your speech and actions, and remain faithful in your religious beliefs. The values you practice as a Scout will help you shape a life of virtue and self-reliance.(This message has been edited by marinelaw)(This message has been edited by marinelaw)(This message has been edited by marinelaw)

many more informative follow ups posted in the open discussion forum

BW read the rest of the posts. The boats are chartered by the BSA and sublet to the crews they bring in. When the CG went in to stop it, it halted immediately crews were removed form boats in transit and vessels returned as well. They hired stand in boats to cover the additional passengers by complying to the 6 max rule. This accordi(This message has been edited by marinelaw)

Sorry this did not seem to post the whole msg. BW read the rest of the posts. The boats are chartered by the BSA and sublet to the crews they bring in. When the CG went in to stop it, it halted immediately crews were removed form boats in transit and vessels returned as well. They hired stand in boats to cover the additional pass(This message has been edited by marinelaw)

Sound like these are some real bright adults! Seems the apple didn't fall far from the tree either. One can only hope these adults will be punished severely for their stupidity and lack of concern. I would think such a fool could not make Eagle, I mean they are supposed to be exemplary Boy Scouts correct. Sounds like revocation of(This message has been edited by marinelaw)