Mama Lope

I had this long drawn out answer all prepared but I changed my mind. This isn't the place to do this. We will have to talk this out eventually.I read your posts, and so do a lot of people from our district and council. This whole stupid feud is just that, STUPID; and it has gone on long enough. Your actions have consequences even though you have Aspergers, so does my 11 year old and I remind him sometimes daily that when something doesn't come out the way you planned, how you react to that situation defines your character. Calling someone a derelict, because training didn't go your way, is just immature and inappropriate. So ahead continue to post all these lies and exaggerations and keep on doing what you do, you are only tying your own noose. Training was happening; just not your way. That doesn't make it wrong. The only training that got canceled was when the district trainer was having brain surgery. which I think most would agree is a reasonable explanation. The other one was rescheduled and the training team went to the unit. The Baloo training that you are so up in arms about is offered quite a few times a year in our Council( other districts also)and your leaders should not be waiting to the last minute to complete required training. If the event was on your calendar months ahead than you should have had plenty of time to find another training. Poor planning on your part does not make it an emergency for someone else and as always you find a way to play the victim. Every thread you respond to ends up being about you and your plight, always misunderstood and taken out of context. For some reason you are allowed to act anyway you desire and because you have a syndrome you walk away. Don't apologize for having a condition. Saying your sorry means you take responsibility for your actions and you will try very hard not to repeat them, yet you seem to repeat yourself a lot. How many times has the key 3 had to tell you to stop this nonsense, posting little digs at us whenever you can,yet here we are again 6 months after I have left your unit. Enough is Enough. bottom line on canceled trainings, while it may be inconvenient, annoying or down right rude to some extent, we are all VOLUNTEERS with lives, children of our own, jobs and Illnesses, car problems, money problems and a whole slew of other things I could add, our Councils are big with large Districts and plenty of trainings available to any scouters, if you give your yourself enough time to take the necessary training your events, have a back up plan, there should be no real complaints. quit griping and get to work, go get training wherever can. if you really want it no one is stopping you but you. Hawkrod, especially since you were the out going district cub trainer why didn't you do the training for your unit yourself if it was so important? you have to take responsibility for what happens in you unit. you have plenty of trained leaders both in the pack and the troop, that all decided not to pony up. so instead of reevaluating your program you just call the district trainer a derelict and say she wasn't doing her job, when really as a COR you were not doing yours, by insuring that your program happens for you boys no matter what. you just blame other people outside your unit. I think I have made my point.

Okay I don't post often. honestly I only post when I feel qualified to give an answer that might actually help someone. in regards to canceling district trainings, my district had major problems with our district trainer and staff. Our trainer just decided he was no longer available to hold trainings. this happened just after he received his district committee key. it seemed that once the knot was awarded he got busy with other scout positions and commitments. so the rest of the training staff had to pull together to keep trainings on the calendar at all. after a few trainings having no one register it was decided at a suggestion for National that it was better to offer trainings on site unit by unit sometimes traveling to where the unit meets, with the idea it is easier for the few of us to get to them,than hope that leaders register for trainings. we called this road trip training. twice a month I was traveling to units on weekends to train the entire unit from brand new parents to refreshing seasoned den leaders,LDS units, and yes Hawrod, even the Fort Irwin units. it was mentioned several times at roundtable that if your unit needed training we would come to you. a line was even added to to the district training calendar that is you required specific training to contact the new training chair and she would come to your unit, it was also mentioned at program committee and commissioner meetings. hopefully this idea may help some of you. it seemed to work well for us for a little while, people were being trained. but alas this makes almost no money for council because most of the supplies came out of our own pockets. the new training chair has since moved on to the council training staff and is working on a new training opportunity. Hawrod- you really have to get over this vendetta that you seem to have with this particular trainer, calling someone a derelict is really unbecoming of a scout leader, especially since this particular person once saved your life, oh at a training that you were teaching together. you would really be surprised at who reads these boards...... every single day..... and keeps records of the lies and misrepresentation that you spread.

Hawkrod and I are from the same council and I know all about this particular situation. It is completely bogus! He is not being honest as he completely slanders two very decent hard working Volunteers. Volunteers that he begged to be a part of his unit when they first joined. but has since changed his tune when they decided to leave due to some shady practices of the unit especially regarding registration fees. see my other post to a thread called" Scouting as a Program for Adults" in the Open Discussions forum MAMA LOPE

I have a lot to say here, First off I personally know about this situation as Hawkrod and I are a part of the same council. Hawkrod- I have been watching your posts and it seems to me that you have a real issue with these particular people, the problem here is that you are not being completely truthful, now are you? You stated that one of these leaders is currently on Probation for a YP issue. We both know that is not that case. This whole Quest you are on is a total case of sour grapes. The leaders you are slandering have left your unit on their own free will because while your unit might be the leader in district popcorn sales you are also the leader in registration prices a whopping $180 for a year of Cub Scouting( same for 6 month Webelos 2 program, figure that?) which does NOT include den dues or events, including pinewood derby or blue and gold. Not to mention a POPCORN buy out of $300, could be why your sales are so high?, I could go on and on about the real reasons you are gunning for these leaders. You charge the scouts for leader training as part of their registration when you said so yourself in your last post that all your leaders are not completely trained. So why are you charging families for training your leaders are not receiving? Not to mention your units leadership receives an annual KICKBACK for their time served as Volunteers! Did you mention that at the time these particular leaders left, you were the UC and the COR for a unit that your own kids are a part of or that your wife is the Committee Chair? Where are the checks and balances there?what did you pay to register your scouts? NOTHING! Because your "committee Chair" sets the Percentages of the "kickbacks" and sets hers at 100%. your own boys scout for free on the backs of the other families that pay outrageous fees to be "in" your units. These leaders had the right to question these practices. And when they did, you attacked; you lied to the district key 3, and bullied others to lie for you. The district found no merit in your accusations, so you went to Council with a bogus YP claim that was again shot down because it was a ridiculous lie. So what are you doing now, blasting to the internet, perhaps someone will listen to you? Liars never win. Move on, we are starting to see the egg on your face. You claim to be the victim, but why is it that your unit has gone from 100 youth to 38 in a year and a half? Why dont you focus all that UC knowledge and do your COR job and fix your failing unit instead of taking the time to slander other Volunteers to discredit them. Or it that your plan? Keep the spotlight on these two and own blemishes hidden. This original thread was about Adults in Scouting, how about a scout leader that interrupts a training instructor every 5 minutes, and shows off his accordion style portfolio of his training cards in the middle of an RSO training! Scouting can become someones life, this is true, could it be the guy who boasts that his kid will be a 13 yr old Eagle that went to 6 or 7 camps in one summer?!! Let the kid play a video game once in a while. Could it be the case of the father living through the Son? You claim that your Kids are forced to go and do more than they probably would on their own. Letting a 12 year old be a staff member at a camp is against the BSA Policy. Camp staff must be at least 14 years of age, am I correct? As far as the claim against Lone Scouting, you are in dire need of a lesson on policy, so being a true UC I will give it to you. Directly from the Lone Scouting counselor handbook: Circumstances in the life of a boy which may make Lone Scouting a desired option include: Boys being home schooled whose parents do not want them in a youth group Children of American citizens who live abroad Exchange students away from the United States for a year or more Boys with disabilities that may prevent them from attending regular meetings of packs and troops Boys in rural communities who live far from a Scouting unit Sons of migratory farm workers Boys who attend night schools or boarding schools Boys who have jobs that conflict with troop meetings Boys whose families frequently travel, such as circus families, families who live on boats, and so on Boys who alternate living arrangements with parents who live in different communities Boys who are unable to attend unit meetings because of life-threatening communicable diseases Boys whose parents believe their child might be endangered in getting to Scout unit meetings Although the Lone Scout might miss the opportunity to participate in activities in the pack or troop, there are certain advantages to his experience. For example, his Scouting activities can be done entirely at home. Boys who live in rural areas have the outdoors close at hand where much of Scouting takes place. Each boy can progress at his own pace, building upon his own interests and abilities. Also, he has the personal help of an adult counselor So there you have it, there is no rule stating that you cannot be a Lone Scout. Are these boys home schooled? Are there parents divorced? Are there custody court orders that you know nothing about? Do you know for sure their home situations? or any of the above? You admit to having conversations with these youth without their parents knowledge. That by itself is shady in my book, if you have an issue with the parent why are you having conversations with the sons without the parents knowledge? As far as the charges against these leaders for unscoutlike behavior, isnt it unscout like to agree to follow a rule and then break it just a few hours after? Isnt that what you did? By agreeing to drop this non sense in a district meeting with the key three and then a few hours later post here all your lies? You commented about a leader having a den meeting while her own boy was in his room. Unless you were at this Leaders house listening in on her den meeting, how would you know where her boy was? What if he didnt finish his homework or chores, was the leader supposed to cancel the den meeting and disappoint the whole den for her own boys mistake, you dont have all the facts now do you? I really want to clarify to all the other Scouters that posted on this thread, that was NOT originated by Hawkrod that it certainly became all about him and his issue with these leaders, can anyone say Vendetta? This is not even the first post that became a rant about these same two leaders and how bad they are. He just makes it all about him and his quest for attention. How many times can he claim to be taken out of context? How many times can he be misinterpreted? He is just bitter that he got caught in lies so he will continue to lie. Maybe if he repeats it enough he might actually believe it himself? One more question for you all. How does this fit in with the Scout Law? How is this Helpful? How is this Kind? How is this living the Law we try to instill in the children we touch through scouting? He claimed in another thread that these leaders and he were OA members. How it is this Cheerful Service or Brotherhood? And perhaps more importantly, how does this serve the boys? You also stated in a different thread that these two nominated eachother for OA as Cub Leaders? I know for an absolute fact that these two particular individuals did not in fact nominate each other but were "recommended" for nomination by the Lodge Adviser. call him, ask. A nomination for OA must be signed by by the Chapter Adviser and the District chairman, you could probably ask them if you are so concerned. you are full of it and the word on you is getting out....... MAMA LOPE