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OGE, my sentiments exactly a person is supposed to presumed innocent until proven guilty. Scouter4321 will give you the same advice I was given when a similar situation occurred in a troop I served in. Talk to an attorney and get legal advice. This boy recently had his Eagle project approved and is a few months away from being 18. In our council, Eagle Boards of Review are conducted at the council level. Nothing happens until the project is complete. If and when the project becomes completed then concerns about the Eagle application and EBOR arise. EBORs may be postponed up to 3 months from date of application without an explanation. With council preapproval they may be postponed up to 6 months. After 6 months National office must be contacted for procedures to follow. Procedures for letters of recommendation vary. In my district the letters are sent to the Scoutmaster using preaddressed envelopes the scout supplies. They are opened by the district representative in front of the scout at his EBOR.

Our troop is 12 years old. We had our first Eagle in 2001 and have 7 Eagles on our roster

How about "Times of your life" by Paul Anka It was recorded for the Kodak tv commercials.

Hi and welcome Dave, Rollins Pond Adventure Base is Floodwood Mountain Scout Reservation. Had the pleasure of going there this past summer. We had a great time. Last time I had been there was as a scout in 1971. Each trek decides on what they want to do afoot/afloat and duration 1-4 nites out. Sailing,water skiing and rock climbing is also available. More info for the 2006 season is available at: http://www.floodwood.org/

I have to agree with OGE, this is not the place for an Eagle service project. Current handbook states "While a Life Scout,plan,develope,and give leadership to others in a service project helpful to any religious institution,any school or your community.(The project should benefit an organization other than Boy Scouting)" I do not see how a project for a business fits within that criteria.

Our troop had its Holiday party on the 16th. Even though our CO is a church it was a holiday party. Our Troop has Scouts of different faiths both Christian and nonChristian. Therefore it is called a holiday party as to include all faiths. Am sorry that this parent took offense at the title of a party. You did what you thought was best. I agree with the other posters let it go and enjoy the party.

Not sure if this is what you are looking for. A listing of knots can be found at http://www.usscouts.org/awards/knots2.html National's web site has a listing of progress records in PDF format http://www.scouting.org/forms/index.html You can also find a listing of awards in the 2003-2005 Insignia Guide on pgs 46-47 Hope this helps in your search.

He sure can. The Insignia Guide, 2003-2005 places no limits on when a merit badge sash can be worn, only how it is to be worn. Only allowed to wear one at a time and never worn on the belt

bbng, very nice story. Am happy to see that the MB bug "bit" your son. I agree with FScouter, a scout is not limited as to when he may wear the sash.

ManyIrons, Congrats! Thank you for your service to our Nation. (TSgt,Ret)

Seattle great post. Since 75% of scouting is outing skills play an important role. Skills are a means to make outings enjoyable. Maybe it has to with the fact that as a scout in the mid-late 60's skills were necessary. Did not have stoves to cook on or pop up gazebos for shade/rain protection. Had to learn and use your skills to make outings fun and enjoyable not just survivable. Wanted hot food needed to know how to make a fire in any type of weather. Every boy can learn and remember scout skills all it takes is practice using them on outings. Kinda hard to have a successful camping trip if the boys do not know how to set up camp,cook,clean. Not every boy can be a "leader". For some it comes naturally,others can learn but unfortunately there are a few that no matter what anyone does just can't do it. Do we give up on the ones who can't of course not. Everyone has their own niche in life. Leadership comes in many forms. It can come from teaching skills to other scouts. The old saying of leading by doing comes to mind. Sometimes it comes by following others,difficult to be a leader without followers. The POR's recognize the different traits of leadership. Leading others (PL/SPL),teaching (Instructor/TG) and doing(QM/Scribe). Skills vs leadership which comes first interesting question. To me it comes down to what is wanted by the unit. If unit does car camping then skills may not be that important. For a unit that does long term canoe/backpacking trips then skills may be important. (This message has been edited by ljnrsu)

ASM416 what you are describing could be a plume. Canada,Thailand,Taiwan,Hong Kong,Australia,UK,Greece to name a few countries that were/are using them.

Rooster you forgot another important use for the NY Times,Washington Post and LA Times...house breaking puppies ."Can't we all just get along" Well, sometimes yes, sometimes no, but liberals probably won't contrive reasons to go to war. Prairie_Scouter Pres Lyndon Johnson and the fake incident in the Gulf of Tonkin on Aug 4,1964 comes to mind. It makes me wonder how many Presidents have taken their cue from that event.

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Kahuna it is no myth,though the vast majority of items are reasonably priced. Some people do pay huge prices for memorabilia on eBay. Did an advanced search of completed listings worldwide and found 8 items that sold for atleast $1,000.00 Also did a quick search of Boy Scout items currently on eBay worldwide. There are over 120 items listed for $100.00 and up. Vintage OA and vintage uniform items can be expensive. There is an OA patch from the 1940's its current bid is in excess of $13,000.00 http://cgi.ebay.com/BOY-SCOUTS-1940S-ORDER-OF-THE-ARROW-GIMOGASH-LODGE-214_W0QQitemZ7724955552QQcategoryZ39651QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

"It seems to me perfectly reasonable for the Advancement Chair to have a Cit/Nation blue card for each Scout, even a Tenderfoot, and note the date that this requirement was completed". SeattlePioneer unless the Advancement Chair is a Merit Badge Counselor than he/she can not sign off that a requirement has been met. Only MBC's can sign off on requirements. If you look at the blue card it says "date of approval" and "counselors initial". What you could do is print off the appropriate page from a MB workbook and record dates,places,etc in the workbook. FScouter it is not about trust. It is about what we as MBC's are attesting to when we sign an application for Merit Badge. "and demonstrated to my satification the he has met all requirements for the" It is our name,address,and signature that goes below that statement on the application for Merit Badge not someone elses. "A Guide to Merit Badge Counseling" BSA pub 34532c is a source of information. Merit badge workbooks can be found at www.meritbadge.com

Come on in the fire is lit. Pull up a log and sit awhile. The link is: http://www.msnusers.com/boyscouts/

it is based on how much of your salary you reinvest into the plan. Sorry, Bob it is you who is incorrect. What you are describing is either a 401(k) or a 414(h) plan not profit sharing. Packsaddle is correct. Profit sharing is a certain percentage of the companies net profit that is distributed among the plans participants. It is usually done as a percentage of salary. BTW Bob I am a CPA and CFP. I deal with all kinds of retirement plans on an almost daily basis.

Your den leaders may not know just what the boys did, or might not be aware of what the Leave No Trace requirements really are. A polite request to "verify" the completion of requirements will go down a lot better than simply refusing to honor the award. I would also ask the DL's to verify that the requirements were completed prior to them being awarded. Attendence alone at camp does not fulfill req #2 and 6 Cub Scout requirements can be found here: http://www.scouting.org/cubscouts/resources/13-032/ (This message has been edited by ljnrsu)

I can only use my council as a guide for the first two times I took YPT. As the training at that time was given by council. My first two YPT cards did have expiration dates written on the bottom of the card. First time I took YPT in Oct 1999 card said expires 10/2003. Second time was May 2003 this time the card said expires 6/2006. Took the on-line YPT in April 2005. This time the card has no expiration date. I understand that our district is suggesting/recommending that YPT be taken every 3 years. With the on-line version that seems easy enough to do.

The Cub shirts may be from the early-mid 70's. At that time Boy Scout short sleeve shirts were collerless and said Scout BSA. Tan Scout shirts w/o epaulettes were available from about 1973-1980. Epaulettes came in with de la Renta uniform in 1980 I see no problem having the boys wear these shirts. As ScoutNut said let the boys know that they are wearing Cub Scout history. http://usscouts.org/history/uniformtimeline.html

CAScouter, I also agree with evmori,EagleInKY,SemperParatus. In my opinion this Scout has not fulfilled requirement #2 Demonstrate that you live by the principals of the Scout Oath and Law in your daily life. I would have a SM conference with the Scout and discuss the concerns I have with his behavior. At the same time I would also explain the actions the Scout should take in order to complete requirement #2. I would also inform the parents of this Scout what my concerns are and what was discussed to alleviate those concerns. Just because you had a SM conference it does not mean that you have to automatically sign the Eagle Application. Another suggestion would be that you discuss your problem with this Scout with your District Advancement Chair and or your Council's Eagle coordinator. See what advice or suggestions they might have. You also need to discuss this Scout with your Committee Chair as their signature is required on an Eagle Application. I do not know how Eagle BOR's are done in your Council. I do know that without the signature of both the SM and CC an Eagle BOR would not be convened in our District.

Bob Thank you for the welcome. It is very possible that I have misunderstood your post. Since you do not know my Scouting tenure I will take the second half of your sentence as a question. I have been very lucky to have used every edition of the Boy Scout Handbook starting with the sixth edition in my Scout and Scouting tenure.I started in Cubs in 1960. Earned Eagle in 1971 just prior to my 18th b'day, made Life and completed Eagle project shortly before turning 16, was enjoying the journey and almost forgot the destination. Was a District Commissioner 1974-1976 while attending college in New Brunswick NJ. In Jan 1977 became ASM in the Troop I earned Eagle, 3 months later was asked to become SM a position I held until May 1982 when I left to get married and start a family of my own . Was fortunate to take training for those positions at Schiff in Mendham NJ. National's Training site at that time. Rentered Scouting as ASM in 1996 when oldest son joined Boy Scouts,Mom wanted Cubs. I still am ASM in that same Troop and a Counselor for 6 Eagle required Merit Badges. Along the way I have earned the Scouters Training award twice with different Boy Scout Troops and the Scoutmasters Key. Almost forgot also served on Councils Eagle BOR committee from 1978-late 1985. So, yes Bob I do believe I understand the Scout Law,Aims and Methods. And I am current in Boy Scout Training NLE,SM/ASM specific,outdoor skills,YPT,Safe Swim,Safety Afloat. It is my opinion that a decision that violates the Scout Law is not an ethical decision under Scouting Aims. To defend someone from physical harm yes. To verbally abuse,belittle or berate someone no it is not ethical. But that is my opinion. I have a feeling that in this case Bob we are going to have to agree to disagree. If someone choses to ignore you there is little if anything that can be done.

Eamonn Still I see my Oath and Law as a work in progress, every day I try to do a little better. Some days I mess up real bad, on the days I do well I raise the bar a little higher for the next day. I totally agree with what you say. Yes, following the Oath and Law is personel. Scouts and Scouters alike should follow it to the best of their ability. What I was trying to point out with the public part was that it is personel but not private. Scouts and Scouters alike can and should be taken to task for "violations" of the Oath and Law. The idea in the original post that depending on cirumstances you are allowed to violate the Oath and Law without being called to task on it just does not work. Just because someone else is abusive or unkind does not give you free reign to respond in kind without violating the Oath and Law. This is a written forum the words we chose and how we use them sets the tone of our replies. As a previous post has stated It is possible to disagree, to correct, or even to rebuke what someone has said without attacking the person You do not have to stoop to someone elses level to get your point across. There is no need to become abusive in your replies in order to defend your belief's. We would not talk to our children or Scouts that way, but here they can read what we write.

Un-scoutlike behavior is when either the Scout Oath or Scout Law has been violated. I disagree that it is private. Scouts and Scouters recite them in public, in front of their units in opening ceremonies,or in front of other Scouters at Roundtables and other Scouting functions. It is required of a Scout for rank advancement to show "scout spirit by living the Scout Oath and Scout Law in your everyday life" As Scouters we hold Scouts responsible for "scout spirit". Scouts can be removed from activities or outings for un-scoutlike behavior. We as Scouters can ask questions about how Scouts follow the Oath and Law and deny advancement at BOR's for not following the Oath and Law. Shouldn't we as Scouters be held to the same standards that Scouts are. How can we as Scouters judge a Scouts behavior while we are not being held to the same standards? If we as Scouters/Leaders are to be role models for Scouts than we should be held to the same or higher standards than is required of Scouts.