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When "leadership skills" replaced Hillcourt's Patrol Method, the popularity of Scouting crashed. As a result, today's Patrols are often spread over a larger geographical area. 1) The purpose of the course is to teach the Troop's most talented leaders (the Patrol Leaders) how to hold neighborhood Patrol Meetings, Patrol Hikes, and Patrol Overnights. In most young Troops the Patrol Leaders hold the Patrol Meetings at weekly Troop meetings, and the Patrol Hikes at Boy Scout camps during the Troop's monthly campouts. Likewise, when a Patrol is ready, the Patrol Overnights should at first be at Baden-Powell's minimum 300 feet between Patrols (scaled up and down to each Patrol's proven maturity level). When I took Wood Badge, each Patrol's Overnight was located at a separate "secret" compass-bearing location on the far-flung edges of the Boy Scout camp. 2) In Hillcourt's "Real" Patrol Method, the most mature members of the Troop (the Patrol Leaders) pick the SPL, and the PLC is not otherwise dominated by the leadership skills "Troop Method" (no "Troop Guide," no ASPLs). In other words this is not "leadership skills" training. The purpose of Patrol Hikes is for the Patrol Leader (NOT the "Troop" Guide) to teach advancement skills: The real Patrol Leader will...find that the requirements are not something separate from Scouting. On the contrary, Scouting is the Requirements. When you go hiking and camping the subjects contained in the requirements come up all the time. http://inquiry.net/patrol/index.htm 3) In today's young Troops you might hold a Green Bar Overnight (or Green Bar Hike) every three months, to teach the Patrol Leaders how to teach the skills they in turn will teach on the next three campouts. These Green Bar Overnights are popular with the "older" Scouts.

Then they would give a demonstration of each job to the Patrol Leaders at the first Green Bar Patrol Meeting.

"Using a Kuduism: 300 ft is 300 ft no matter the size of the troop." So are you saying that the football teams of large, centralized school districts should have more than 300 feet between their end zones, or less?

How about Wood Badge? Did you replace Baden-Powell with Bruce Tuckman?

Brewmeister, SPOILER ALERT! The final sentence of my "Leadership Training Weekend" guide to "Master and Commander:" "Certainly, a tale in which a one-armed 13-year-old boy competently assumes command of a man-of-war ship facing overwhelming odds in a battle at sea would be a poor choice for Scoutmasters who forbid 13-year-old Eagles!" http://inquiry.net/patrol/training/movies.htm

Yeah, Brewmeister, I thought I agreed with you, but now I can't tell :-)

The real thing may be cheaper than you think. Always check AddAll.Com for old Scout books. Currently they have 15 copies available for under $5. The search function is not exact, so check the description before you buy: http://preview.tinyurl.com/lg4j2py Are you using Hillcourt's Patrol Leader specific "Intensive Training in the Green Bar Patrol" course? http://inquiry.net/patrol/green_bar/index.htm Some of us have experience in using the course with "21st century Patrol Leaders" if you would like feedback. Yours at 300 feet, Kudu http://kudu.net

Biology? That would be "squeakers:" Twelve-year-old midshipmen in leadership positions over adult gun crews before their voices changed. http://inquiry.net/patrol/training/movies.htm

The BSA program is designed to get a Cub Scout survivor to Eagle without ever walking into the woods with a pack on his back. If an indoor boy loves paperwork and office manager theory, why not Eagle at twelve? As for proven "leadership ability," how many Eagle Scouts have even one (1) night of what Baden-Powell considered Boy Scout camping? 1 in 10,000? 1 in 100,000? Won't be tapped to be a NYLT Staffer? How many NYLT Course Directors experienced as a Boy Scout (or can even define) what Green Bar Bill called a "Real" Patrol? 1 in 10,000? 1 in 100,000?

Google Sky! You point your smart phone (Android, anyway) at the sky and it identifies what lies in that direction (even in the day, which can be interesting). If you point it at the ground, it shows what is currently in the sky in that direction on the other side of the earth (including the location of the sun at night). The Small Dipper is sometimes too faint to see, so we view it with Google Sky, after the new Scouts show with a green laser how to find the North Star using the pointer stars of the Big Dipper or the Big W (Cassiopeia). From Wikipedia: Google Sky is a feature for Google Earth and an online sky/outer space viewer at http://www.google.com/sky. It was created on August 27, 2007.[1] The application allows users to view a collaboration of images from NASA satellites, the Sloan Digital Sky Survey, and the Hubble Telescope.[2] It is available on Android and can be used on a smartphone as an augmented reality application. (free)

Eagledad commented: "almost 1/2 of the SMs never had a scouting experience, they don't know what honor camping is." Baden-Powell designed a seven day immersion course to teach indoor volunteers how think like outdoorsmen. Now we teach indoor volunteers how to think like office managers.

And we wonder why they leave.

I was told the same thing up north: Policy forbids recruitment during school hours. One of my hooligans knew that the vice principal in charge of detention was a Scoutmaster, and he (the hooligan) arranged the recruiting assemblies "in the middle of the day in a middle school" that I describe. When I left, the new Eagle Scoutmaster made excuses for not recruiting, as do 99% of all the Scoutmasters reading this sentence. When I moved here the DE did the school hours presentations. When he moved people told me the policy had changed, but a couple days ago our feeder Pack's Cubmaster told me the local schools allow him to recruit on their morning shows. I didn't know that. I substitute for a gym teacher that needs an Eagle Project done for his school, if I was a Scoutmaster I would follow up on that. I would also look for private schools, university "laboratory" schools, as well as public school administers involved in Scouting. Seek Logic: The fact that it is irrelevant to you that 80% of sixth-grade boys can get just as excited about outdoor adventure as sixth-graders did on June 15, 1916, does NOT in turn prove your assertion that they don't join because of the competition of World of War Craft or Black Ops, because "they lack the stomach for physical discomfort and stress of being outdoors," or because their friends point out that the prissy program promoted by our Chief Scout Executive is "for pussys, or it is gay and for whimps."

Einstein's paraphrase of Spinoza's pantheist "God is the sum total of all the natural laws in the universe" worked for all of eight of my self-declared atheist Scouts over the years, since it does not require belief in the supernatural. According to one biographer, Baden-Powell and his theologian father (on whose book, "The Order of Nature," B-P based the spiritual aspect of Scouting) were pantheists. See: http://inquiry.net/ideals/beads.htm and http://inquiry.net/ideals/order_nature/pantheism.htm As for a pantheistic invocation, how about: "Heavenly Father, by definition all knees must bend to Thee, as Thou art the sum total of all the natural laws in the universe." An emblem of faith is easy enough: One of those Baden-Powell portrait patches, worn on the temporary patch pocket. If you can't find a Baden-Powell patch, simply substitute one of Bruce Tuckman, since nobody in Wood Badge can tell them apart. Yours at 300 feet, Kudu

A potential 80% market-share is irrelevant? In that you share common ground with Wood Badge!

Our experience of peer pressure is PASSIVE when we sell retail rather than wholesale (an auditorium at a time). "his friends would pull him a long and say scouting is for pussys or it is gay and for whimps" The point of this thread is that his friends are correct. When I give my recruiting presentation, a couple such "hooligans" always sit in the first row and say the same kind of things as we wait for the auditorium to fill. They tell truth to power. Those are my future Patrol Leaders. "One of our methods in the Scout movement for taming a hooligan is to appoint him head of a Patrol. He has all the necessary initiative, the spirit and the magnetism for leadership, and when responsibility is thus put upon him it gives him the outlet he needs for his exuberance of activity, but gives it in a right direction." --Baden-Powell http://inquiry.net/patrol/index.htm Scientific Method: Anyone can walk away with the signatures of 80% of sixth-grade boys by thinking like a sixth-grader and using ACTIVE peer pressure: http://inquiry.net/adult/recruiting.htm The enemy of Scouting is not the virtual adventure of World of War Craft or Black Ops. The enemy of Scouting is the ADULT peer-pressure of Leadership Development; Schoolwork Merit Badges; Position of Responsibility requirements; Scout Spirit requirements; Scoutmaster Conferences; Boards of Review; Eagle Projects; a Cub-Scout "Controlled Failure" Outdoor Program for Teens, and all the other anti-Baden-Powell things that boys hate, have always hated, and will continue to hate until the end of time.

Answer: June 15, 1916 The Boy Scouts of America agreed to that standard because the 1916 program (as defined by the advancement requirements) is a timeless, perfectly reasonable 21st century "core program" standard of Scoutcraft: http://inquiry.net/advancement/tf-1st_require_1911.htm Given modern lightweight equipment and the invention of the backpack waist strap, our nation's legal definition of Scouting is far easier to meet now than it was in 1916. "Prissy" is a polite euphemism for the term used by tens of millions of boys who have quit (or would never join a Cub Scout program for teens). Answer: 14 miles To prove themselves equal to the international standard of a First Class Scout. Star (Scout Cord) is a similar two day, one night Journey Life (Bushman's Cord) requires a Journey of at least 20 miles on foot or by boat, with not more than 3 other Scouts. Eagle (King's Scout) requires the Scout to lead an "Expedition" of not more than 5 other Scouts at least 50 miles in wild country by land or water, with 3 nights spent at different campsites, or by horse back at least 200 miles in wild country. http://inquiry.net/advancement/traditional/journey_requirements.htm What red-blooded American boy would not prefer to "prove" his leadership skills in such an outdoor-specific program?

You don't understand peer pressure. If you actually stand in front of an audience of skeptical sixth-graders and present Scouting as the adventure of June 15, 1916 (knives, matches, rattlesnakes, and bears), 70-80% of them will, in front of their peers, sign a list asking you to call their parents so they can be a Boy Scout. http://inquiry.net/adult/recruiting_boy_scouts_public_schools.htm That 70-80% does NOT include the Cub Scout survivors in the audience that are ALREADY Boy Scouts. 2%? 5?

My post was clear: In what Baden-Powell called Scouting, sleeping in a canvas town did not get you much past Tenderfoot. Le Voyageur's assessment is literally the same as that of Baden-Powell. Camping Merit Badge requirement 9b dumbs down the previous requirement 8b: "On one of these camping trips, hike 1.5 miles or more each way to and from your campsite. Pack your own gear plus your share of patrol gear and food." The international standard for First Class (including the Scoutcraft program specified in our Congressional Charter) is 14 or 15 miles without adult supervision. To walk three (3) miles in the woods with a pack on your back was too high a standard for Eagle Scouts. Prissy much?