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Ok, guys, I got another one for you, this one a two part installment. I know all you guys will love it. Well, not all. The guys in my region will not read it because some of them can't read and the rest are waiting for FOX News to tell them how think. LOL! Oh, yeah, didn't Pearl just resign? How many does that make now? There was some Ambassadors also wasn't there. Well, you will love this. Next post. ASM1

Very Good! And I noticed that BSA took the usual high standard of excellence by not taking a political position that so many of the volunteers seems to be poisoned by. Bravo BSA, we all support our troops and with your leadership we can make it count for something. ASM1

Excellent! But I have a question. If your son crossed over, why didn't you cross and become an Assistant Scoutmaster in his new troop, or a committee member? Just a question. I support your decision totally because adult leaders in any aspect of Scouting should be applauded! ASM1

Someone needs to find LauraT7 and marry her! What a find, a true Scouting woman. I am extremely fortunate to have a wife that is almost more dedicated to Scouting than I am. When ever I feel threatened I wave my Wood Badge Beads at her. That will not last long, she just finished her ticket. I am a lucky guy! ASM1

What a great movie, I remember it and will order it as well. But I am very suprised by the opinions of people here as to why Disney will not re-release this movie. Don't people pay attention? My point in other threads, but IF you remember three years ago, I know, a big request. Disney approved full equal benefits including health insurance and co-profit sharing status to gays who work for Disney, Inc. I,m not against the move by Disney, but, how does anyone think that a corporate team like this one at Disney who supports equal rights for gays would ever re-release a film that supports the prime opponent if its opposition?

What a GREAT post. I got to tell you my trunk is still full from my last campout last October. It was all Spic & Span when we broke camp,(so I thought) so I was sure all was cool. Well, last week my son went digging through the trunk of the car for a bow saw and found it. He came in the house and asked me if I knew the cooler was still in the trunk. I told him sure, I cleaned it out the morning we left camp, it is ok. Well, he informed me that he looked inside of it and it is a thriving life form that is unidentifiable. I told him we will have to clean it and soak it in bleach. He said, no, you do not understand, this life form is intellegent enough to defend! They will attack if you try to bleach them. I had to see this!! Well, he was right. We have scheduled a firing squad for the cooler on Tuesday morning. Thanks for your post, ahh there are a ton of great camp stories out there. I love them. ASM1

pfann, go to this site and read it. I like the policy statement and the people listed at the bottem who signed it. Especially the people who signed it. Please remember though, this is their web site. They put it up. They proscribed the policies. And it is they who has been the subject of my entire arguement. I would have passed this on sooner, but I just found it last might. Please read on about the "New World Order" Their words, not mine. http://www.newamericancentury.org/ I can't wait for the people to say that it is all lies. HOW? It's thier web site. I love when the subjects of my arguements provide me with their own words to fight them, no excuses for lies. ASM1

pfann, that was funny and it made me laugh. But in all honesty, I could not wear that emblem anyway because I am not Jewish. But beleive it or not, I have a Jewish member on my committee and she is wonderfull in her support to our troop. I think she may be that way because she sees that the important thing in all of this is the moral teaching of her son and our boys no matter what religion. Ya know, the American way. ASM1 PS. I am wondering if our troop would be considered a youth terrorist training camp if we had a Muslim member? Makes you want to ask questions huh? ASM1

You know, I have been called a lot of things, but there has to come a time when I say enough is enough. kwc57 has crossed the line as far as Scouting spirit is concerned. How dare you question my patriotic loyalty because I seek facts from any and all sources I can find them. It seems to me that by your ignorance and absolute refusal to check the fact against what your being told means it is YOU that is guilty of non-compliance to the American Constitution. I get a ton of information everyday and I comment on NONE until I can cross reference to find facts. When is the last time you cross referenced anything? Maybe I should rephrase that, when is the last time you checked your facts? And as far as my spelling? There are no spelling bee winners in the White House. At least I can formulate a sentence without help from a speach writer. And just what are your thoughts about the Ultimate sword of power that was swept today by France in the UN Security Council? I bet you don't even have a clue what that sword was? It was the Sword of Diplomacy! France won it all today, did you see the Rep. from China? All smiles! You know, if you cannot spell diplomacy, and do not know the definition, you should not be allowed to be the President of the United States. I am waiting for the resolution of Impeachment to be filed. I cannot wait! ASM1

Is that what you think? You really think will not go to war if Iraq dissarms? LOL! When you stop using Zionist propaganda to support your views. How's that?

All good responses about France and Germany and Russia. But I am seeing something different here in the US. Doesn't it sound just a little bit funny to anyone how "panzy" the US war machine is acting? I mean the idea that we mass 250.000 troops and armour on the boarders, treaten all out war, then demand outright that the opponent disarm first. Sounds crazy to me. I wonder how Hitler would have responded in 1941 if we demanded he disarm BEFORE we go to war with him. I think the entire world would have laughed the United States right out of legitimate existance. Doesn't anyone find this sort of "sissy"? You have to think it may be a ligitimate arguement when you see the outright cowardly responses to North Korea, who actually has a 1 million man army, some of the best air power in the world, the Mig 29 Fullcrum, and a real nuclear threat. Sound to me like the bully on the block picking on the kid who cannot defend himself, and ignoring the bigger bully on the other end of the street who has publically called him out to fight. Now what can the rest of the world think of the US now? No wonder China refuses to help us with North Korea. They are sitting back and watching with a big ole grin on their face. If we shrink from North Korea, we must be petrified of a 5 million man super war machine like China. ASM1

A Trial Balloon? - "Five to Ten Times Worse Than the Patriot Act" Secret Bush Legislation Sent to Cheney, Hastert, Deepens Assault on Constitution Patriot II by Michael C. Ruppert Copyright, 2003, From The Wilderness Publications, www.fromthewilderness.com. All rights reserved. May be copied, distributed or posted on the Internet for non-profit purposes only. Feb. 25 2003, 1800 PST (FTW) -- With more than twenty U.S. cities having passed resolutions openly opposing the multiple civil liberties violations in the 2001 Patriot Act, and as the state of New Mexico debates legislation that would encourage police agencies to avoid violations of the First Amendment, the recent leak of a secret Bush administration bill that would further erode civil liberties has provoked a bizarre tale of denials and "non responses" by the administration. Thus far the saga of the Domestic Security Enhancement Act of 2003 - commonly known as Patriot II - suggests that the leak of the proposed legislation was possibly a "trial balloon" or "tester" to gauge both public and congressional reaction to a bill that, if passed, would grant the federal government drastic new powers in a continuing erosion of the Bill of Rights. Patriot II has not been officially introduced in either house of congress and thus has no official standing. It has, however, been officially transmitted by the Bush Justice Department to Vice President Cheney (President of the Senate) and House Speaker Denny Hastert, R-Illinois. The bill has already been given a clandestine odor and the Bush administration has violated standard congressional protocols in its handling. In fact, the administration has been caught in outright lies about the bill's actual status. In official comments dated February 10, ranking Senate Judiciary Committee member Patrick Leahy, D-Vermont, stated, "For months, and as recently as just last week, Justice Department officials have denied to members of the Judiciary Committee that they were drafting another anti-terrorism package. There still has not been any hint from them about their draft bill." John Conyers, D-Michigan, ranking member of the House Judiciary Committee, which has jurisdiction over proposed anti-terrorism legislation, in a Feb, 10th letter to Attorney General John Ashcroft -- signed also by Representatives Robert Scott, D-Virginia, and Sheila Jackson Lee, D-Texas, wrote: We write to express my profound disappointment about your Department's handling of anti-terrorism policy. Recent reports irrefutably indicate that the Department of Justice has been working on a successor bill to the "USA Patriot Act" for some time. Notwithstanding the Judiciary Committee's jurisdiction in this matter and outstanding record of dealing with this legislation, the Committee reported a bipartisan version of the Patriot Act by a unanimous vote, according to the Chairman's spokesman there have been no consultations with the Committee on this bill. Your Spokesperson, Barbara Comstock, claimed in a February 7, statement (attached) that the new draft bill was still in "internal deliberations" within the Department and still being discussed at "staff levels" and has not been "presented... to the White House." This is blatantly false in several respects, yet the Department of Justice "Control Sheet" (attached) plainly indicates that the bill was forwarded to the Speaker of the House and Vice President on January 10... Conyers specifically requested that the Attorney General reply to his letter no later than February 15, 2003. A Conyers' spokesperson told FTW today that not only has the Justice Department not replied to Conyers' letter but that they have "not even acknowledged receiving it." The Department of Justice did not respond to a call from FTW asking for a response to Conyers' letter or an explanation as to why they had not responded. The bill's draft and the fact that it had been officially transmitted to Cheney and Hastert nearly a month a month before its existence was disclosed was revealed in major scoop released on Feb. 7, 2003 by Washington, D.C.'s non-partisan Center for Public Integrity (CPI). FTW has relied extensively on comprehensive reports by the CPI for past major stories including our 2000 story, The Bush Cheney Drug Empire. The original CPI story including links to the "Confidential" draft of the bill and the official letter of transmittal is located at: http://www.publicintegrity.org/dtaweb/report.asp?ReportID=502&L1=10&L2=10&L3=0&L4=0&L5=0 In a follow-up story on PBS' Frontline, anchor Bill Moyers interviewed CPI's Executive Director Chuck Lewis who disclosed that the CPI had obtained a copy of the bill as a result of a leak from within the Justice Department by someone who was exposing themselves to great risk in the post-9/11 climate of secrecy in Washington. The fact that the story was leaked raises the possibility that the Bush administration was attempting to gauge both public and congressional reaction prior to introducing the bill for legislative action. WHAT'S IN PATRIOT II? CPI's Lewis was not jesting when he told Moyers that Patriot II was five or ten times worse than the first Patriot Act. Its provisions allow for secret arrests of persons in certain terrorist-related cases until indictments have been handed down and there is no time limitation for this process. America has never permitted secret arrests for indefinite time periods. In addition, Patriot II provides that these terrorist arrests may be under "no bail" conditions and that any federal employee who discloses the identity of someone who has been secretly detained may be imprisoned for up to five years. The bill mandates that government authorities are entitled to have ex parte (one- on-one, without defense counsel or a public record) and in camera (private) - meetings with judges without opposing counsel or defendants even being notified to secure rulings on search warrants, admissibility of evidence and investigative procedures. In certain cases where naturalized American citizens are found to be working with foreign governments, or making donations to foreign based charities later found to be supporting terrorist causes, the Attorney General will have the right to revoke U.S. citizenship and extradite those charged to any country in the world, whether there is an extradition treaty in place or not. There has been some debate, encouraged by inaccurate and extremely irresponsible reporting by some "alternative" journalists and radio talk show hosts indicating that the bill provides the government with the ability to strip native-born U.S. citizens of their citizenship for seemingly trivial offenses. This is patently untrue. The actual truth is bad enough. Section 501 of Patriot II amends section 349 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1481) pertaining to the citizenship status of those who have acquired U.S. citizenship. It states that those who have entered into the armed forces of a foreign government (when such forces are engaged in hostilities against the US), or have joined or provided material support "to a terrorist organization... if the organization is engaged in hostilities against the United States, its people, or its national security interests" will be deemed to have made a prima facie (apparent on its face) statement that they intend to relinquish their citizenship. Lewis and Moyers were correct in their interpretation of this section in that a naturalized American who makes a donation to an Islamic charity later alleged to have been giving money to a terrorist organization could be stripped of their citizenship and deported anywhere without it ever having been established that he or she even knew how the charity was distributing its money. The act broadens the scope of activities that qualify for the loose-to-non-existent guidelines for eavesdropping and surveillance under Patriot I and allows law enforcement personnel to obtain "national" search warrants for domestic and foreign terrorism investigations. As discussed in previous FTW stories, under Patriot I the definition of "domestic terrorism" is extremely vague and non-specific. Throwing away decades of progress obtained as a result of litigation in the 1970s and 80s the new bill specifically overturns dozens of consent decrees prohibiting law enforcement agencies from infiltrating non-violent religious and civic groups exercising protected first amendment rights. Section 126 of the act allows the U.S. government to obtain consumer credit reports and to impose criminal penalties on credit reporting agencies if they disclose to individuals that the government has obtained copies of their records. Section 127 of Patriot II allows the Federal government to supercede all local statutes governing autopsies in terrorism investigations which means literally that if a person died at the hands of an illegal federal investigation, the autopsy results could show a suicide or some other finding favorable to the government. This would also apply in cases of accidental death due to fatalities resulting from mass compulsory vaccinations. In such cases, instead of finding dangerous vaccines as the cause of death the federal government could instead blame terrorists. Opening the door for the Total Information Awareness program run by convicted Iran-Contra felon John Poindexter, section 128 provides for the issuance of federal administrative subpoenas in cases "involving domestic or international terrorism" to any company that maintains records on any individual in the United States. This would apply to everything from medical records, to credit card and utility bills, to the reading habits of the targeted individual. This section also provides stiff criminal penalties of up to five years imprisonment for any employee of a private company who reveals that the records have been sought. Once compiled, these records can be shared with any foreign government the government wishes to share them with. It also allows federal agents to serve search warrants issued by foreign governments inside this country. Also in the list of list of noxious provisions, chemical and utility companies would be absolved under the act from requirements that they publicly disclose the kinds of dangerous chemicals in use at their facilities or "worst case scenario" information about what might happen if there were malfunctions or breakdowns at their facilities. This equates to an environmental "carte blanche" for polluters. At the same time, Supreme Court Justices and other federal VIPs are no longer required to declare as income the cost of federally provided bodyguard and security services. This amounts to a back door raise in pay of up to several hundred thousand dollars a year for federal judges and executives who will be much more likely to remain friendly to the administration. And in a particularly chilling passage, section 404 of Patriot II would impose a penalty of up to five years of imprisonment for anyone who used any form of computer encryption to commit anything defined as domestic or foreign terrorism. Under the liberal definition of domestic terrorism contained in Patriot I, a possible interpretation of this section could be that a reporter who uses PGP or other encryption program to correspond with a foreign confidential source could be imprisoned for five years - just for using the software. It also suggests that no commercial entity which uses encryption to protect its proprietary data would be permitted to use any encryption program which the government did not already possess a key to. WHAT TO DO? Since the bill has not been introduced, any pre-emptive attempts to influence members of Congress would have questionable effects. A member's response would correctly be, "I have no power to do anything until the bill is introduced." However, the actions of the Attorney General and, by implication, the President, the Vice President and the Speaker of the House are unethical and dishonest, if not illegal. It couldn't hurt to let them know that you are watching for this bill's introduction and how they will respond when it comes time. Anyone wishing to make their voices heard on Patriot II should direct their comments to the Department of Justice, the White House and the Speaker. Their statements should be bold and demand that these institutions follow the law and maintain good faith with the American people. When the bill is introduced, most likely after the commencement of hostilities in Iraq or another convenient terror attack, the moment - perhaps the last one possible - when Congress can step up to the plate and do its job the way it is obliged to, will have presented itself. If it passes as it is written Patriot II will signal a final breach of contract between the government and the people.

kwc57, your last post is false, you know it is false, and I am offended by your attempt to deminish the truth. ASM1

NO! Sorry, the Scoutmaster WAY overstepped his bounds. ASM1

>how come all of those Muslims who whine about the Palestinian's >plight don't come to their rescue? They won't accept their refugees >into their countries. They won't lend military support. They do with $345 Billion dollars in support to Hamas and the Infitada. The countries who contribute are, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Jordan, Yemen, Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Egypt, Pakistan, and Syria. >Do you not think all of the Islamic nations couldn't put together >their own coalition in support of Palestine and wipe Israel off the >face of the Earth in a few days? Israel is a Nuclear power nation with full support of the United States. No, I do not think you scenario is reality. The Arab nations could not accomplish this feat. But it is very possible that we will find out soon if you are right. But you need to study your history and stop listening to this diatribe from the press. Remember, (maybe a strong word here) the British confiscated Palestine and gave the territory to the Jewish people and named it Israel in 1948 because the Jewish people were displaced from most nations including the United States after WWII. If some un-named nation took the territory of the United States away from us Americans and gave it to someone else, and we were all herded and prosecuted by these new invaders, how would you feel? I await your knowledge of history, and your response to world history facts. ASM1

Laura, I almost forgot, next time your at roundtable get with your training coordinator and sign up for Wood Badge training. You will love it, and you will be elite trained to be a leader. I think your a natural. ASM1 I once was a Fox....

Fill out the adult application and consider yourself an Assistant Scoutmaster. Your deserve it! ASM1

SMT376Richmond KY, Your question is a valid one that I wish I had asked before we made the journey. My question is, do you have a Charter Organization yet for this troop? On the assumption that you do, make no mistake, it is a tough road to hoe. Recruitment in an established troop is a task. But recruitment in a troop that is either brand new, or not started yet is like pulling teeth from a hungry panther. It is tough. Your key will be marketing, without it, you have not a chance. But, with the proper marketing, you have more than a good chance of making it. Everyone who posted a response here to your question is right. Bob said training. That is priority #1. If your troop leadership is not trained, you have a Zero chance of success. Since your DE thinks it is a great idea, make him work for his/her money. Remember, they get paid for this job, we don't. Make your DE provide you with the resources to market your new troop. They should gladly help you. I have never seen or heard of a DE that wouldn't help. Use that resource. Once your troop is established, (if all with younger scouts) Work your program and get them to First Class ASAP. Get them into Den Cheif training and get them into local cub packs. Take those Webelos camping. If you do this, you should be ok and you will have a growning troop by this time next year. ASM1

Very easy fix to this war, to terrorism, and to ALL trouble in the Middle East. And I dare anyone to challenge this solution. It is the sole root to it all and 9/11. Solution: Relocate our current deployment to Israel, sieze control of the Israeli government, arrest Ariel Sharon and bring him to Geneva to face the charges of war crimes (which he has been indicted for) and create a free state for the Palistinians. Maintain our military presence in Israel to keep the Israeli's out of the Golan Hieghts and West Bank. End of problem. Terrorism will end everywhere. Let someone here tell me why this is not the solution. ASM1

It doesn't matter. Good bye folks, I wish you all the best. Free speach has no meaning anymore. _____________________________________________________________________ More than 10 million people demonstrated between Feb. 14 and Feb. 16 in 603 cities worldwide against the WAR on IRAQ. 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All of our prayers are with Scot as well. but you should not think you are about to lose him. Keep the faith. We just learned that our newest venture scout, a 14 year old young lady has an inoperatable brain tumor and was rushed to the hospital ladt night. We are praying for both Scot and Ashlie. Your spirit of sharing and asking for prayers is the truest meaning of Scouting. God blass you and God save our friends Scot and Ashlie. ASM1

I'm sorry. After re-reading it, I just could not post it. My family's safety comes first. But I have made a lot of ememies here, and in my home district and I exit just the same. There is one who I will deal with on a professional scouting level before I leave the program. God Bless all of you. ASM1

I beleive my next post will be my exit from Scouting. Not because I fear the program is faulty, but because I fear I will be ridiculed and run out of scouting for beleiving that my President is not my Fuher. I love Scouting and think it the best youth program on the face of the Earth. But the "volunteers" have taken over. So long folks, I wish all of you TRUE scouters the very best. ASM1

Probably why they hate us so much! How many of you Americans like to be controlled? http://www.whitestruggle.net/bushallegiance.html The lack of knowledge allows it to happen. PAY ATTENTION! ASM1

And that is exactly what I expected your response to be. ASM1