Kawidaphoenix

Yep, just as I thought............

Yes it wasn't enough because you didn't answer my specific question, you just listed another unbased assumption of my character. Typical Liberal. Crawdaddy whenever possible and use Gang up as major weapon......... Not much on your own. If I transgressed-- show me how to do it to where the wolf pack would approve. I didn't think so-- so you all can let this thread die and pick sombody new to rat pack.

My education is still incomplete. My question is still unanswered..... How do you want it to be put "Nicely"??How would I put it to a scout asking me a question on the subject?? There must be some reason the word Gay got everyone all hot and bothered.everyone said a reference to a gay designer was unacceptable or verbal rough treatment--you tell me how to do it "Acceptable". Tell me what I should have said--Or are you going to do the typical Liberal crawdaddy?? I'm waiting...........(This message has been edited by Kawidaphoenix)(This message has been edited by Kawidaphoenix)

OK Sherm then educate me-- how should I refer to a gay person when a youth asks me something along those lines? I feel that using the term that they use for themselves was socially acceptable.

You know Sherm, That Teenager was the first to resort to name calling by calling me a smartass. AND he posted things without reading my post thouroughly. He read things into what I was saying.I set him straight-no more no less. Now By the way this thread is reading it seems like we are adults here, and one question has nagged me all day--- Using the title of this thread--How Far is too far?? Using the premis that you guys that ganged up on me used, I'm supposed to be all touchy feely about gay people right?? Well answer me this one--what other sexual freaks are we supposed to cater to?? Pedophiles? Transexuals? Bi Sexuals? S&M and bondage folks? Beastiality Practicers?? What about these guys?? That is THEIR sexual Preference-- should we as a society freely accept them and trust our children in their care?? This is what puzzles me. would YOU trust your minor child away at camp with these type of people? Would you teach YOUR child to accept these people freely and mingle with them?? Many (not all) gays practice sexual relations with minors if given the chane. Just like the good folks at NAMBLA-The North American of Man-Boy Love Association whose motto is "Sex Before 8 Or It's Too Late". Would YOU want your Child in their care?? If you are a normal Person I would dare say your answer would be NO. Well why does that make me a troll or someone to be ignored because I don't want that for my child?? Where is the line drawn?? When do we say this perversion is OK and that one isn't?? Many states in our union have Anti Gay Behaviour laws on their books--whether in publis or in the privacy of their homes,so evidently SOME PEOPLE still think Gay sex is wrong.Even California rescinded it's gay marriage laws as unconstitutional.The GAY Capitol of the US. I for one can't even believe that I have to defend myself on a BOY SCOUT Board--Of all places.Scouts has really changed since I was a kid. All of the things that Scouting was founded on relay the message that such behaviour is abhorrant. All religions view deviant sex as abhorrant. Why wouldn't Scouting?? Answers to your questions: Yes Sherm, My gay friend remained my friend until death, and as a pallbearer I carried him to his grave. Yes Sherm I guess it was bashing to Know other names for gay people, but i figured to use the multitude of hateful slang names did not have to be done. NO SHerm for the reasons stated above I don't think Scouts should be taught gay tolerance-- Where and what groups does this tolerance stretch to?? Last Question Sherm-- If you READ my post I said it LOOKED like a Gay Designer Designed it-- NOWHERE did I say the designer was actually gay-- READ BEFORE YOU PILE ON. Nike Sounded to me like he was offended because he might have been gay-- Notice HE didn't post any more-- If the shoe fits.... Lisabob-- I won't even reply to your inane crap.after reading many of your posts I see you are a liberal airbag. You to resorted to name calling. Idiot is to good to call you, so I won't even bother with you.When caught without any real things to say, the name calling starts. To satisfy other questions I was in the Cubscouts. Webelos, and a Scout(Patrol leader,Asst and Senior Patrol leader) until I was 18 the have been an Assisstant Scoutmaster the rest of my life.I was an Eagle at the age of 15 with 64 merit badges, and had My God and Country Award. I had that funny little purple chest patch when it was EARNED, not given. I went out of Country as a Scout to earn it.I am a member of the Order of the Arrow-- way before Ladies were allowed in it.Been to Philmont numerous times, NOAC and National Jambo.That's my stats. And Believe it or not Nick, I am not mean to gays-- I just don't coddle them or trust them around young kids. Kroh- I lump you with Lisabob-- Not even worthy of reply. SO I'm a TROLL because I stand up for myself and refuse to be browbeat by a gang of attackers??-- I guess I am a troll then, because I'm not letting a pack of wolves shout me down and cram their touchy feely crap down my throat. Never have never will. I fear for the future of the Scouting program I hold so dear.

Kawidaphoenix, I suggest that you read the "Religion/Sexuality" topic in Issues and Politics. You will be surprised to learn that a lot of the people who whomped you are actually quite conservative. Yeah boy they sure look conservative. Bleeding hearts ALWAYS have ganged up-- their ideas don't stand merit on their own. They have always used the group "Scream Down" policy to it's fullest. I've noticed by reading various posts, it's the same Ones always doing the ganging up.Just like real life.

While I do not go out of my way to bash gay people, and normally it is a non issue. But if they set themselves up, you have to take a shot. If the gay person in question is not wearing makeup, girls clothes, or using a pronounced lithp, I wouldn't take any shots. But if they combine any of the above I have no choice. Man you really screwed up now. These guys are gonna turn on you like a rabid pack of wolves. Just like they did me. Bleeding heart liberals usually run in packs that way. Can't battle for themselves for their convictions, they gotta gang up for the kill. KP

That belt is more or less a symbol of honor as much as any patch you would wear on your uniform,so I would say wear it with pride to your board or COH. Totally acceptable.

No Nick, What we have here is a 50 year old man making a 17 year old smartass show his ignorance of the world. Here is a direct quote from my post: "Well in my opinion, scouts are not going to really like wearing the uniform in public,and around girls, until the powers that be quit making them wear uniforms that look like they were designed by some Gay fashion designer." You see those 3 little words after the word "Uniform"?? I'll help you out some as you don't seem to retain read words very well, "THAT LOOK LIKE" are those 3 words-- Not the "UNIFORM WAS" designed.... I was using the mental picture of a limp wristed, Swishy, Effeminate male as an analogy. You might need to look that new word up in your Funk and Wagnals (Man I really showed my age there..)to get a grasp of it's meaning. I don't care if the designer was Straight,gay,Bi Trans,Uni,Beastial,or Celibate- The uniform is not designed right for kids to want to wear it. This post became a gay witch hunt because of an ANALOGY.Nowhere did I say the uniform was gay in itself- couldn't happen. Now about Scoutly Behaviour-- The acceptance of the gay lifestyle should be abhorrant to a real scout that lives up to his oath, promise,laws,and most importantly to his RELIGIOUS Convictions. Abominations in the eyes of the Lord, as stated in the bible, definitely qualify in my book as something a Scout should avoid. Today's society has done it's best to desensitise our youth to what is acceptable behaviour, resulting in the societal decay we have today. Any study of great ancient civilizations show that their collapse followed a period of moral decay and the abandonment of accepted Morals. Scouting's mission is to turn out Moral youth to better society as a whole. Homosexuality and sexual perversion has no place in the scouting movement. Now think about that awhile.You may want to evaluate what causes you chose to champion. As I said my best friend died of AIDS-- this was TOTALLY avoidable.AIDS makes Cancer look like a school picnic.I believe what a person does in their own home is their business-- they can be gay if they want to-- that's between them and God. BUT their rights end where mine start. I shouldn't have to explain to my child what a homo was, or why those two men were kissing on TV. Sexual orientation shouldn't be made a public issue. Let's see what your attitude is in a few years when you grow up and have your own family. Reality is sometimes a hard pill to swallow. Also I will not exchange posts anymore with you,as a batlle of wits with an unarmed opponent is useless and a waste of time. Have a good life and Scouting experience. KP (This message has been edited by Kawidaphoenix) (OGE HERE, I WAS GOING TO REMOVE ALL THE LANGUAGE I FOUND ONJECTIONABLE, BUT THEN WHAT WOULD BE LEFT WOULD BE INCOMPREHENSIBLE. I THINK I WILL LET THE POST STAND SO WE UNDERSTAND THE MESSAGE IN TOTAL) (This message has been edited by a staff member.)

Well Nick, if you were a little more mature than 17,and had been around some you would realize that "Gay" is how homosexuals WANT to be addressed.Just like black people want to be referred to as African American.And I didn't say your shirt itself was gay, I said they looked like they were designed by a gay person.I am 50 years old, and i have NEVER seen two shirts trying to have sex with each other. Reading comprehension must not be your strong suit. I think Calico hit the nail on the head with his observation that they should look at the outdoor uniforms of some government agencies for design guidance.(This message has been edited by Kawidaphoenix)

Sherminator-- No need to bite your tongue, say it man!! I am an adult, I can take it. Repression of thoughts induce ulcers...... I agree the crusher cap was a VERY good design, and the Campaign hat was the Opitome of cool. Nick-- I've been in scouting since the 60's. I was a normal young man in every respect, and I KNOW that every guy I knew that was in Scouts got a little self concious when the Head Chearleader type girl came around while he was in uniform,and MANY felt like crawling inna hole-- a very natural reaction for pre and pubescent males when they think they are not at their coolest around the "Hot Chicks". Been there done that. Fess up now.

Well Nike, I was always taught, If the Shoe Fits....... If You are Gay(I coulda used a multitude of other words for it that weren't near as nice as "Gay"), and offended, Then I hate that for you. Scouting has no place for the Gay culture-it goes against EVERYTHING Scouting is supposed to stand for.Gay tolerance should definitely NOT be taught to Youngsters that many times are not old enough to form an educated opinion of their own. REMEMBER-- Adult Scout leaders are Many times the only MALE adult figure these kids have in their lives.If That offends you-- Sorry about your luck. I HAD a friend in Scouting-- one of the best friends I ever had in my life, that came out of the closet after we parted ways for college-- And NOW he lays rotting in the grave-- a victim of AIDS.NEVER once did he act overtly to any of us, and I stayed loyal in our friendship until his death.never had an inkling he was gay until he was already dying. So I'm not a Gay basher in word, thought, or deed to any of the scouts under my care in my troop.By the same token, I don't promote touchy,feely sympathies for the Gay cause either. I feel that many kids (from what I've heard them say) view the current uniform as "sissified"-- an accurate idea in my opinion. Everything now a days is "offensive" to someone. Some people make it their life's mission to be offended at least once daily. My point was that in the fashion world Gay designers are known for Garish, needlessly complicated, designs. Such is the uniform of scouting now to many of today's kids. Also the Pricing of gearing up a Scout, like many of the other things in Scouting is UNBELIEVABLE. Scouting is getting ready to price itself out of existance very shortly I'm afraid.(This message has been edited by Kawidaphoenix)

Well in my opinion, scouts are not going to really like wearing the uniform in public,and around girls, until the powers that be quit making them wear uniforms that look like they were designed by some Gay fashion designer.What ever happened to the normal green uniform,with the sidecap,and Boy Scouts of America over the pocket??Also having the normal looking rank badges,Pocketless sleeves,and boots?? These are trademark scouting gear, not the semi Gay garb of today. I saw uniforms go down hill when the issed that fruity red beret in the 70's.It has never started an upward climb since. I say let REAL scouters design the uniform,THEN we might make some headway in this arena.

Issues I am looking for: S51 2006 Service Corps S57 World Jambo S60 2008 Conclave S65 2009 Conclave ES2009-1 Spring Fellowship 2009 ES2007-2 Spring Fellowship 2007 Es2008-1 Spring Fellowship 2008 Numbers from oaimages website http://www.oaimages.com/480.shtml?tn=1&tt= (This message has been edited by Kawidaphoenix)

I Might be able to fix you up. If you find the patch Number on the reference site (oaimages) or can send me a scan of the patch, it will help. early 70's- late 80's was my youthful scouting career time, so I may have it.