Argyle

NLE, Venturing Specific, and Sea Scout Officer Specialized are the three that the Sea Scout leaders are required to have. We've conducted all these courses a number of times both in house and at district/council events. But, they're not showing up on the leader's training records. I thought that with the BSLBT Completed, they ought to get credit for NLE. It looks like I'll need to both track down cards and training rosters.....somehow. Thanks for all the input. Maybe I will try the chocolates!

To be considered fully trained, the Mates need NLE, Venturing Leader Specific, and Sea Scout Officer Specialized Training. I thought I had the Ship's officers 100% trained, I still do, but the records aren't agreeing with me.(This message has been edited by Argyle)

Thanks Fred, I emailed the District Commissioner. His response, well, he didn't have a clue what I was trying to ask him. Two questions. One is, that there were courses held that our adults attended that aren't being recorded. Do they have to take the training over, or can I just get a training card and fill it our, based on my witnessing them personally having attended the training. Second question is that several completed Boy Scout and Cub Scout Basic Training in the 90's. The training record lists courses such as The Troop Meeting, Troop Organization, The Outdoor Program, and Boy Scout Leader Basic Training Completed 11/01/1990....would that be the equivalent of New Leader Essentials or does he have to take NLE to be considered trained.

http://www.grc-bsa.org/NLE/nlestart.htm I went through the above NLE online course. The online course was better than the one I actually attended.

Would an adult who completed Boy Scout Leader Basic Training in 1991 have to do NLE again or would that / should that Basic Training count as NLE?

Hello. Here's my prob. I just got all the recharter info back. There were several of our adult leaders who were not given credit for training courses they've attended. It's not that I'm taking their word, but, I was present and know they were there. So, is it as simple as acquiring a signed training card, filling it out with the date in it and submitting it? Second question. I've got two long time adult leaders who are now mates on our ship, neither have been given credit for New Leader Essentials. The first's training card says he has "Boy Scout Leader Basic Training Completed" this was 1991. The second's says "Cub Scout Leader Basic Training Completed" this one also was in 1994. Is this training equivalent of New Leader Essentials or do they need to complete NLE again? Or is it a matter of submitting another training card, backdated? Thanks!

Why don't you come and spend a long weekend with us Eamonn. We've got several US Sailing instructors just waiting for you and your crew.

This tenure requirement is all over the place. Every council seems to have slightly different wording. A three year tenure seems kind of short for such a coveted award. The Sea Scout dot com site uses "coveted" a lot. A Skipper is still a noob after three years, IMO.

"I do know that if you're a Key leader, you receive the training awards after 2 years, then can get the Key after the third year." Avast there mister..... Wouldn't the key leader get the training award after 2 years, then the key award after 3 more years, receiving the key after a total of 5 years?

Uh, nope. Wouldn't do it. I found in the past, that site had some bad insurance information posted. I go boating with mine and other people's kids, I can't afford to be dealing with bad or bogus information, especially insurance information. Great information, not gospel. Not even close. Back to this square knot deal. Two years for the Training Award and then three additional years for a key, five year total for both. emb, you're slipping all over the place today.

I've got some mutinous knot crazed highly trained mates on me ship.....they'll like this. It'll be a suprise....shhhhhhhh.

Avast!!!! Yep...on the Scouting.org site it says 2 years tenure for the Training Award, 3 for the keys. emb....what's up with that? The www.seascout.org site is privately owned and operated with the blessing of the national peoples. Great site, but I'd take nothing from there as gospel.

The Kodiak and SEAL subject matter can't be much different. If the same people who are holding a tight reign on SEAL are the same who keep a tight reign on the Seabadge course content, than for certain the VLSC, Kodiak, and Kodiak X course content is much more up-to-date. That being said, I just created a new ticket item for myself this summer of getting all the youth members in the Ship through at least one of the Venturing Leadership Courses, on the water of course. One of our ship's officers has a Nordic Tug, that is pretty roomy and just a fantastic cruiser. So, I guess I understand the SEAL program enough, that I'm not willing to send anymore youth to it.

Very cool.

Page 1 for the Skipper's Key, Page 2 for Sea Scout Officer Training Award. http://www.canaveraldistrict.org/WebSiteForms/progress_sea_scout_skipper.pdf(This message has been edited by Argyle)

The District Advancement Committee is a story in itself. The District had an Eagle Committee, three long, long, long-time Scouters. Our Sea Scout submitted his project proposal. This committee wasn't aware that a Sea Scout could make Eagle in a Ship. They weren't aware there was a Ship in the district. Being the only ship in the council, we have youth members from all the surrounding districts, but this committee stated that we couldn't go through their district because he lived in a city outside their district. The committee stated that the Ship's officers couldn't be leaders in the ship also because we all lived in other communities. The Advancement Committee also had a locally created document describing their requirements for the Eagle Projects. They demanded the Scouts include some 11 Leadership characteristics and how they would apply them in their project. I understand the 11 Characteristics was from an obsolete JLT Course that has not been taught to scouts in years. They stated that Scouts couldn't use certain tools and a lot of other blather, needless to say, they crushed this kid like a bug. My understanding of the Eagle process is that the requirements are plainly stated in the Boy Scout Handbook, the Eagle Application, The Project worksheet, and the Advancement Committee Policy Manual. These fellas acted like self appointed guardians of the Eagle, do it their way, or be crushed. Using the four documents above, there would be one standard to earn the Eagle rank, uniform, across the country. I just wonder how many of these rogue requirements are laid on across the countries by power abusing committees and boards?

Being a Sea Scout Skipper, we've only picked up Life Scouts, who have basically stopped participating with their troops. We're not affiliated with any specific troops, so we get Life Scouts from many different communities. So, as far as Boy Scout advancement, we're the "Closers". Instead of the Quality Unit measurements, our ship pursues the National Standard Sea Scout Ship goals. Getting youth to the Ordinary rank is part of the unit goals. But, we do try to help those Life Scouts who want to complete Eagle to complete that milestone. So, the process is pretty cut and dry. We have a Skipper's Conference, the project gets signed by the benefactor, Skipper, Ship's Committee, and the District Advancement Committee. These scouts have had held positions in both the Ship and had completed this requirement while in their troops. If and when the situation arises where we have 1st Class and Star Scouts wanting to continue Boy Scout advancement, the process would be a bit of a hybrid. The por's will be Sea Scout positions, bor's will be with the ship's committee, and the conference will be a Skipper's Conference. Seems pretty simple.

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Some links regarding Nav and Piloting. A powerpoint from Sea Scout dot org. http://www.seascout.org/about/program/piloting.ppt A free online course, not bad. http://www.sailingissues.com/navcourse0.html A USCGA Nav Manual text....(good stuff) http://www.uscg.mil/directives/cim/16000-16999/CIM_16798_15.pdf DVD on Navigation from Annapolis Book of Sailing http://www.amazon.com/BENNETT-DVD-ANNAPOLIS-SAILBOAT-NAVIGATION/dp/B000OTMYUG/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1206798769&sr=8-2 A slideshow on Aids to Navigation http://www.boatsafe.com/flash/reviewaids.html US Sailing has a lot of good Nav and ATON info. http://www.sailingusa.info/basic_navigation.htm

Back to SEAL. If this course is so "top flight" and the resulting leadership training so fantastic, then why isn't the leadership shouting from the mountaintops? We're having Powder Horn Course Director Conferences, we're holding Kodiak Course Director Conferences, why aren't the regions and national holding SEAL Course Director Conferences and promoting it and holding courses? So, why all the secrecy? Is this a leadership course to train and instill values in our youth or some kind of national sea scouter clique? If your organization trained .02 of your target market, do you call that successful? I wouldn't.(This message has been edited by Argyle)

I remember fishing up by Lacrosse on the Mississippi as a kid. Stripers galore, Large Mouth, Small Mouth, and Walleye. On the Illinois River south of the locks at Pekin, they're saying that the Big Head and Silver Asian Carp are 9 out of 10 fish. That's a huge percentage, much higher than the number of Sea Scouts getting trained at the SEAL Courses.

2/10 of one percent....that doesn't make for a successful nationwide training course? So, what's the difference between the SEAL course content and the Kodiaks? I have a Kodiak syllabus, but the SEAL syllabus is nowhere to be found.

Qualified CD? Where do you find the qualifications to become a Course Director? They are not to be found anywhere on the internet.

We serve a program for yutes 14-21. Excluding the 18-21 year olds from participation just seems crazy to me. Our older Scouts are really the heart of the program, they've stuck through the program while all their peers dropped out in high school, they look forward to becoming Mates with the Ship, not looking to get another pin before they age out. None of the older crew seem to be looking for another pin, looking for adventure, yes, but not another pin. If we have active participating youth up to age 21, then we ought to embrace any and all training with them in mind. You talked to the CD, but haven't sent any Scouts to SEAL, why not? We've sent four. One young man said it was all a blur, they all flunked the seamanship exam and spent most of their time cramming into the wee hours for the re-test, getting a few hours of shut-eye. That kinda makes it a seamanship course, IMO, with my limited understanding, of course. If we have 6500-7000 youth in the Sea Scout program, what is the benefit of the "leadership" course if it only serves 20 youth a year?

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