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After all, isn't one of the requirements for Eagle is to have a BOR???? And how many of them happen AFTER the birthday? I can see a COH after the fact, but the EBOR that's held only once a month? I guess getting boy's their Eagle is more important than getting them their TF.

No, the issue is not a 7 year TF, it's an issue of we cut some slack for Eagle, but the TF's get hung out to dry. It's all one way or the other. This middle ground, subjective judgments only harm the program and leave a bad taste in the mouths of the boys.

But it's only a few countries that are affected. One can just drive over the border to another airport and it's all okay.

A scout finishes all his requirements the day before his 18th birthday......except for this EBOR. Well, Sonny, you had 7 years to figure this out, you knew it was coming, and the rules are the rules. Too bad. I would just remind the boy that life is not fair and the rules are the rules. He's over 18 years of age anyway so he's not a registered Boy Scout and one doesn't need to handle this situation with kid gloves. Life can change in an instant,..... Happy Birthday.

"Help other people at all times" Oh, yes I am talking about boy scouts who actually believe the program is more than box checking and having fun out in the woods. One goes to school to learn how to live out in the real world, one goes to scouts to learn how to live out in the real world. Sometimes one's opinion of the school is because the curriculum isn't being effectively taught. Don't blame the curriculum for ineffective teaching.

A pencil in your pocket can be weaponized, as can a man's belt, and a woman's purse, and ... and ... and ...

Dropping the age of Venturing to 11 and making it a Boy Scout program with the MB's and advancement for girls is nothing more than an end-around co-ed scouting that drops the patrol method and boy led from it. It kinda reminds me of the putting lipstick on a pig analogy.

If someone were to offer another all the secrets of the universe, secrets of getting along with everyone they meet, being an above the rest in popularity and charisma, and the person were to say, "That's too simplistic and juvenile." would you listen anyway?

BWCA requires a permit which has to be purchased and they are limited to a lottery selection in January and any extras are first come, first served, The canoes must be registered even if your state doesn't require it. Your entry point is the only place where you may enter and then only a maximum 9 people are allowed. Once you leave, you cannot return unless you go through the whole procedure again from the start. If you wish to cross over into the Canadian side of the BWCA, then it gets really difficult. I'm sure there's more to the story on international border crossings in the BWCA, but this should suffice as fair warning that with that much paperwork and protocol and restrictions, the Canadian Girl Guides will not be going there anytime soon. One may wish to consider other alternatives for high adventure there as well.

Sounds like a case of tell Gladys Kravitz and she'll take care of it. REALLY a poor way of handing things like this.

First of all, welcome to the forum! I have been to the BWCA a number of times, but never used an outfitter. Unless one has an experienced person to help on the float, I would start by making calls to the various outfitters for advice and prices. They would have the latest and greatest. Expect to pay a bit more for the service. Figure in cost of food, maps, etc, all the things the outfitter recommends and just used an Excel type spreadsheet to figure out expenses. Price of gas at the time, be generous, travel during tourist season is always an ify factor, but expect to pay more than what's on the pumps now. Contact the local scout troops/council in the area to get the prices on that and use Google maps to figure out distances. Basically , start asking questions, lots of questions. Keep it in mind that permits are limited for each entry point and you will need to have a permit for each group of nine people. These groups cannot travel together, nor can they camp together in the same site. 9 people to each site is maximum. Not only should the boys have First Class, I would recommend First Aid, Swimming, and Canoeing MB's under their belt. You'll need a Wilderness First Aid person with each group of 9. Hearsay of those doing Alaska (my wife used to live in Alaska) is not very good. One of our troops in the area contacted an Alaskan Council to take the boys up there, but they were not very helpful and the troop didn't go. If you know of someone who knows the area, that will be a big help. Unless one is flying in or taking the inland ferry, you will also need to know Canadian/US border crossing issues and each boy will need a passport. Gas is a lot more expensive in Canada and the exchange rate changes on a daily basis so planning that far out could pose a problem for judging fuel expense until the last minute. If one has not had experience doing high adventure, it might bode well to try a lesser strenuous trek. Isle Royale is nice as is the Appalachian Trail. There are a number of less frequented trails as well such as the Centennial Trail and the Ice Age trail. For the boys who want a high adventure/summer camp experience, there's Wyoming's BSA Camp Buffalo Bill located 6 miles outside of Yellowstone National Park's East Entrance. Very nice, but get your reservations in early the camp fills up fast! Decide what kind of trek/float you wish to do then start making contact with the locals with all your questions. They will be the best ones with the latest and greatest information. One may wish to contact a local troop (Be a Scout website will ID them for you) and propose an exchange. They host your troop in say Alaska and in return, your troop hosts them for a high adventure down here in the lower 48.

I would think it would be a good time to do a little bragging about one's project at the EBOR. If the candidate is not as articulate, that shouldn't matter, but if the boy just does a couple of grunts when it is time to brag, it might indicate a problem for further discussion, but not as an opportunity to judge and fail. An opportunity is opened up about the project, the candidate gets a chance to speak off the cuff a bit about it and a "good job on the project" from the board goes a long way to lead into a congratulation to the Scout and would be a nice way of finishing out the Review.

The most important source of information is National. What are THEY saying about it?

Welcome to the forum!

If nothing else, some clarifying statement from National would be nice.

When I was a kid, many moons ago, my buddy and I would go downtown to one of the local bars where his dad worked at as a bartender. We would get a soda and sit at the bar. I didn't become an alcoholic later in life. Do I drink? Yes, but never on days that I drive. If it's my birthday and I want a glass of wine, the Mrs. drives and doesn't drink. I do the same for her when it's her birthday. Did I grow up in an alcohol free home? Nope. My dad became an alcoholic later in life. I have been around alcoholics all my life and it's the #1 reason why I am not.

Being a state close to the Can/Am border, I have always found getting into Canada far easier than getting back to America....... This has been the case LOOOOONNNG before Trump was even considering running for President. I'm talking about the fishing trips I frequently made to Canada, the touristy things over the years, etc. The last time I was in Canada, 2 years ago, the Canadian border guards smiled and waved as I passed by the booth. Getting into the States? Well that was not that easy and that was when Obama was president, So most of these smoke and mirror antics have nothing to do with presidents in as much as it does with political agendas floating around in rumors and hearsay so that the powers that are find it difficult to made mature decisions. I'll add a bit of history to this from a close friend of mine. His family and another made their annual trip and crossed the border. When returning the wives and girls were in one car and the dads and boys were in another. When they got to the border, the women went right on through, but when the guys got there, the border guard pulled open the back door and got right up close to one of the boys and asked him who the two men were in the front seat. The boy was terrified and said he wanted his "'mommy". Well, it was hours before the wives could get back there to rescue the guys, otherwise they would still be sitting there in border detention. This was the Mexican border.

Why stop there? The first troop I was with at a sportsman/conservation club had a stocked bar, the second troop was at an American Legion had an open bar in the next room. So far the only units that didn't have a bar was with either a school or non-Catholic church. One of our Cub packs is chartered by a pizza restaurant, which of course serves alcohol in the room next to the room where the Cubs meet. Yet, I have never heard in the past 20+ years anyone having an issue with these situations. Neither has this topic been brought up in any training done by the council, any RT discussions or even conversations where scouts gather. The only topic discussed has been the hypocrisy of not wearing a uniform to an adult scouting activity so they could consume alcohol there.

My only concern is why the council needs to "approve" some scout's project in the first place. The purpose is not the project, but to show leadership on the project. The SM and Beneficiary should be able to determine whether or not there was leadership or not. If someone is going to short-change the leadership requirement, they are going to be able to do that whether the council approved the project or not. it is a useless step of extra hoop-jumping that validates nothing, insures nothing and doesn't help the scout in anyway. After all, is it the scout's project? or is it the council's project? I have often wondered why this project has become so important in the first place. If the SM is going to allow the boy to a lousy job on his project, he/she's probably cut a few corners on all the rest of the Scout -> Life requirements as well. To me, those requirements are just as important that a single project requirement.

The hypocrisy of this issue is quite prevalent in our area. At our annual awards banquet, for example, one can tell the ones who are drinking alcohol and those that aren't, just look to see who's wearing a uniform and who is not. Like that is some magical elixir that allows them to have a cocktail, just dump the uniform. They are at a public restaurant, it is a scouting event, sitting with uniformed adults knocking one down. Really? Sometimes I often wonder if the kids are more mature with their decisions at a CO that serves alcohol than some of the adults.

I don't think this is anything new except the intensity of the violence in these areas. 35 years ago, I was advised not to be out in the desert east of San Diego after dark. I was told not to take my walks in the evening anywhere along University Avenue. El Cajon Blvd. a few blocks away was okay. When I was on my class trip (1967) we were told to look out the windows into a certain area of New York, but that was as close as the tour bus would go. In Chicago the Red Line transit was to be taken with caution. It will not stop at certain areas to pick up or drop off. I do know of one transit operator that refuses to operate the bus in that area.....because he lives there! Locals warned us in St. Louis, LA, Milwaukee and other such places not to go to. This is nothing new, but the intensity has upped it's game and people are told to stay away.

I am using Avast SafeZone browser and don't see the popup.

With Sweden and France both identifying areas that the police won't go into as No Go zones, what makes one think this isn't real?

Switched to a different browser and the popups go away. I was using FireFox, so I'm thinking it's got something to do with FireFox. I can't get to the settings either in Scouter.com or FireFox. Hacked pretty good. Scouter.com system icon defaults to Search instead.

Okay, I figured it for some sort of scam. Now I just have to figure out how to get rid of it. If it was just me, no problem, but if others were affected, then I wanted everyone to have a head up on it. DO NOT PUT YOUR ID AND PASSWORD INTO THE POPUP!