Stosh

Bacchus, you bring up an interesting interpretation for a double standard. If the award was uniquely Boy Scouts then the Boy Scout uniform would be in order for the EBOR. However, the rank can be earned while registered in Venturing, thus it is also a Venturing rank advancement. Does that mean Eagle is NOT exclusive to the Boy Scout program? I always get a kick out of everyone that tries to do the square peg in a round hold kinda thingy. Either it is or it isn't. Trying to accommodate everyone only makes a mess out of a messy situation. I don't care whether it can be earned in two differing programs within BSA, but at least National could do the courtesy of explaining how it all fits together and get the word out to everyone so we're all on the same page. I'd kinda conclude that if the boy earns the rank as Boy Scout, he shows up in Boy Scout uniform, and if he earns it as Venturing, then the accepted form of dress for the crew. However, this also begs the question of whether or not, if the Venturing boy needs to accomplish all the requirements for Eagle, does he wear the TF, SC, FC, Star, Life, ranks on his Venturing uniform as he completes the requirements? Looks like a whole can of worms here and they aren't just dealing with a uniform worn at an EBOR. Stosh

My facebook account picture is me in my scout uniform. So, yes, most people would know I'm a scouter. Stosh

The only way to not offend anyone is to maintain a double standard of hypocrisy. Stosh

Jblake, I have to ask, you say it has nothing to do with his sexuality, but did you consider him immature and a poor role model *before* you found out about his orientation? If so, I have to agree with OGE, what about his behavior before his revelation made him Eagle material? >>> He went through all the motions, fulfilled all the requirements and thus was signed off. There's nothing that states the boy has to be mature and he did not get a glowing recommendation from me for his EBOR. Basically I said he fulfilled the requirements. While he may not be mature, he's very smart and knows how to get the minimum accomplished to get by. One cannot add or subtract anything from the requirements.... Stosh

Summer 2010 June Frantically pack and repack frantically. July Week 1 - Summer Camp, Camp Freeland Leslie, Oxford, WI Week 2 - Home to do laundry and repack Week 3 - National Jamboree Week 4 - National Jamboree August 2010 Rest up! Summer's over! Stosh

Well, the only thing I was unsure of was the fact that I would be encouraging him to work on his leadership and stick with the troop as I did before he made all these announcements. He continues to come on a regular basis to the meetings but I'm thinking that might end once he goes through his ECOH. He is the only boy in the troop who is not signed up for summer camp in July, so I'm thinking I'm not going to see much of him after that. I spend all my time preparing boys to become useful, mature citizens and as a side note, capable to continuing that process as a SM or ASM. It would be kind of misleading on my part if he wished to continue in scouting that there might be some place for him and yet when he turned 18 he couldn't continue. As far as his boy staying or leaving it is entirely up to him. I don't make decisions for my boys, they all make their own within the rules passed down by BSA. I just didn't know what those rules might be in this case. I really don't see it as my problem at all. I just didn't want to make any more problems for the boy than those he was garnering for himself. Stosh

Okay, while not supporting or bashing this particular scout - I have to ask: Who said he was sneaking around behind the scenes? Did he actually come out and say this? Did he specifically tell any of you? When and to who did he confess? >>> The only "proof" I have is his admittance on Facebook, and confirmation from others, including his best friend. All this became "public" after his EBOR. I have no idea who knew what prior to that. The boy has chosen not to discuss this with me and I have not brought up the subject. I was told by his friend that he had gone and checked out whether or not after the EBOR they could take his Eagle back. When he found out that the Council wouldn't, he made his sexual orientation a public issue. Look, This kid may be gay as gay can be...but I have yet to see ANYWHERE that this kid himself said so. >>> As I stated in an earlier post, cut and paste from Facebook walls and private emails is inappropriate. The newspaper is the only public record of the issue. The biggest and most damning proof is what a newpaper writer wrote? A person who's job it is to make any dull story more sensational in order to get ratings which means more fanfare and recognition for the writer ..which means more money! >>> I have learned over the years that even if it's in the media doesn't mean it's true. As a matter of fact, very little of what makes it to the paper is anywhere near the truth. I haven't had a subscription with a newspaper for over 30 years. The article was clipped and given to me by a chose friend of mine who recognized the boy's name from the troop roster. The kid was voted fairy of the ball. WOW! Let's burn him! He attended a gay dance to show support for a friens and was voted (By others mind you) as the ball fairy. Maybe it was an honor bestowed to him because he didn't hide from supporting a friend who was gay . Maybe because he didn't just follow the population who might be scared to let the public see they have a less that "desireable " friend. Because he treated his friend like a friend instead of the latest fashion. >>> The "friend" in the article is not gay and was attending the ball with his gay friend (the Eagle scout). The supportive "friend" is my ASM who is this boy's best friend and the ASM has confirmed the boy is gay and makes no bones about it. The ASM is not gay. The Eagle scout was the one elected as the fairy of the ball. I'm thinking you have misread the article a bit. Again, I'm not judging this boy either way, but seems to me that this very individual ( WHO NEVER SPECIFICALLY SAID HE WAS GAY) ( as of yet) pretty much does show the values of an Eagle and a scout. He didn't just do what was popular, but stood behind his freind. He was loyal to his friend. He stood up for a friend. He wasn't swayed by popular opinion just because it was the popular thing to do. Meanwhile, guess who isn't living the scout way: US! We are tearing this boy a new one based on what? We THINK he might be gay? We decided that he MUST have been sneaking around and planning things behind our backs? Since he did not admit being gay to US , then he lied to us ...instead of us actually considering that it might also mean he might not be gay. >>> I haven't jumped to that conclusion, I haven't discussed it with the boy, I haven't treated him any different than any other boy in the troop. All I asked was if gay adults are not to lead the boys, whether or not gay boys can do so. I have never admitted to being gay..so following some logic in here...I must be lieing about my gayness right? Or....just maybe...possibly....it could be that..... I AM NOT GAY! So we have the young adult/ teenager wgho supported his friend regardless of what anybody else thought. Then we have a bunch of experienced adult leaders who are judging based on no evidence....just a story that a reporter wrote that implies that a kid "could possibly/ maybe/ might be".....gay? >>> Again read the article and realize it is the boy Nataniel who is gay and is the Eagle scout. The not named "friend" that attended with him is NOT gay is a registered ASM and is an Eagle scout himself. Living the scout ideals indeed! Merlyn_LeRoy: No, he has made his sexual orientation a public issue. He has announced it to his friends, joined gay-pride organizations, and discussed it openly on his Facebook wall. What he has announced to his friends is hearsay. That he joined gay-pride organizations, I have no documented proof and it would be inappropriate to cut/paste information from someone's Facebook page in this forum, so one is just going to have to accept the fact that the boy, by self confession, is gay. This is not a court of law, but not much on this forum is documented very well anyway. Stosh(This message has been edited by jblake47)

I may make a humorous kibbitizing remarks at uniform inspections, but my primary concern is not that the boy wears his uniform complete and correct, but to take a few moments before flags, BOR's, etc. to make sure all the i's are dotted and t's crossed. This attention to detail is a vital part of leadership that indicates major issues. The boy that observes even the smallest discrepancies is often the safest and organized leaders in the troop. I always use the phrase, "If you can't take care of yourself, how are you ever take care of and lead others?" If a boy can't follow instructions correctly and in great detail, surely they will open themselves up to problems of leadership down the road. Stosh

It's mandatory the boys have 2 full uniforms for the Jamboree, but not for the rest of his scouting experience? The Council can mandate a full uniform for Jambo, but a troop can't? Kinda sounds like a double standard here. My boys all wear full uniforms, we get them cheaply off of E-bay at prices less than Cabelas and/or Walmart for knock-offs. (I've had boys get the shirt and pants for about $10-$15. Web belts run about $5-$7 and socks are pretty cheap. They are full BSA uniforms. Now they may be a green shirt rather than tan, but it says BSA on the label, and they're good to go. Some have patched knees and some have lines at the cuffs where they have been let out and were worn. But they are clean, and made to look their best despite their age. We have garrison caps, Boy Scout baseball caps and one that wears the campaign hat. The only thing that matches in the troop is the necker and numeral patches. The killer is the patches! And yet not one patch goes on the belt, the hat, the socks, or pants. So that's a moot argument. Whether it's a full uniform or not, the price of the patches is the same. Last weekend our troop was raking a park, they were all in full uniforms and the temperature was in the 90's. Plenty of water, got the job done and looked good doing it. Anyone walking by and glancing into the park would know immediately who was doing the work. As far as inspections go, I have boys show up with no belt, wrong socks, etc. all the time. They don't get sent home but the SM does his fair share of "hazing". "Did your mother take the day off?" "If you're not wearing a belt, what's holding your pants up? If the button pops, your pants could be down around your ankles in a matter of seconds." "Did your shirt catch fire? No? That's good, I see that it's out now." "I wonder why they put buttons on the pockets if they aren't going to be used anyway." "I've always like the look of a neckerchief after it's been jammed in the pocket since last meeting." "If your mom isn't going to wash the shirt, maybe you can get your dad to do it, or maybe learn how to do it yourself." "Don'tcha just hate it when you sew the patch on correctly and then sometime in the middle of the night it crawls over to the wrong sleeve!" etc. Stosh(This message has been edited by jblake47)

If the boy wasn't all that worried about the situation, why did he have to sneak around behind the scenes and seek out information that he thought might be wrong. Same would hold true if the boy thought that cheating on his college exams was okay and went behind the scenes to see if someone would take away his Eagle if they found out. To me the guilt motivation was not forthright and open. Then to go around afterwards and brag how they got into Harvard by cheating on the test in front of other scouts just after he got through his EBOR. If the college test or homosexuality is a problem pick out the issue de jour. As more and more boys find out about the situation, is it a good thing to use this boy as an example of Scouting honesty under those circumstances? The boy has major maturity issues and believes that as long as you don't get caught it's okay. I don't feel comfortable having him set any examples for the other boys, that's all. Has nothing to do with his sexuality, but he's using that issue to go public. Stosh

The honesty deals with the fact that he withheld information that may have pertained to getting his Eagle, he was aware of it being questionable and went behind the scenes to check it out. Then once he found out what he needed to know then he went public and "in-your-face" with other scouts. When he was confronted by other scouts on his Facebook account, he lodged a complaint about cyber-bulling to everyone trying to discredit other scouts. His closest friend (ASM) has kept me in the loop with information and has been concerned about how things are shaping up. He and I have discussed it at length. The dialog has been focused on the issue of how the boy is handling the situation, not the situation itself. This closest friend (my ASM) is the unidentified friend in the newspaper article. The boy still comes to meetings but has indicated even long before this issue came to light he was getting his Eagle and then getting out. It is under those circumstances that I don't have him as a POR. He is also the boy who's Eagle application didn't get my SM letter of recommendation the council wanted for 6 months while he waited out a breech of trust issue he had with the troop. When the letter did go in, it was a form letter signed with no further comment. I'm not looking for an excuse to get this kid out of the program, I'm just looking for any more pitfalls that I might encounter down the road as information from the boy comes to light. Stosh

Such a can of worms here. I didn't inquire as to whether the boy should be stripped of his Eagle, so that isn't the issue. I didn't inquire as to what or how to deal with the boys either. I was just wondering - because they ask adults to leave under such circumstances do they expect the boys to leave as well. If they don't expect him to leave, do they discourage/encourage the boy to be in a leadership position in the troop? Yes, the article is a bit vague, but the boy has made public statements about being homosexual and doesn't seem to be too concerned about losing his Eagle because he "checked it out" before going public. I guess I was more concerned about his honesty than his sexual orientation. To this point he has not mentioned anything to me. Stosh

Don't run through the wheat field granny, you're going against the grain! Stosh

I was at a symposium once that went into great depth about role modeling needs of children from both male and female models. Of course I've forgotten most of it but one little part has always stuck with me and that is: When little Johnnie or Suzy is climbing up a tree, the mom will generally say, "Be careful!" and the dad will generally say, "How high can you go?" Both dynamics are important but the mothering modeling dynamics are oriented to protect and preserve whereas the fathering modeling dynamic are oriented to expansion, adventure and risk. One can always say males and females are equal, but in fact until the dynamics of society changes it's always going to be basically the same as it always has been. Sure, one can point out anomalies, but generally speaking, the group preservation dynamics/risk taking dynamics will hold true. The female protects the young and the male is expected to venture and risk to provide for the young. No matter how far we have progressed as a civilization, the vestiges of such dynamics still are around. An over protective society would eventually fall apart due to deprivation, but a overly risky society would fall apart as well due to miscalculated risk. Only a balance of the two can one preserve the species. Your mileage may vary.... Stosh

"If you want to argue that you didn't give any direction or coaching, then why do they need you there?" That's the question I ask myself all the time. The more useless I feel the happier I am. That means my boys are achieving a sense autonomy and independence that allows them the ability to stand on their own two feet. I'm thinking sailingpj might have identified the problem and clarified the situation the best. When those boys walked out into the field it was obvious to everyone that a troop and its leadership needed to be formed up. Who was going to do what and how was it to be accomplished was still up in the air. Some of the boys were probably from adult-led troops where nothing gets done without some adult giving them permission. Then there might have been some boy-led troops where they did everything but who's this adult that is "in charge" and how does he operate. I didn't know the boys and they didn't know me. Only 4 of the FC boys were part of my troop. Okay, so who's going to show their cards first? I chose to act first and I did so by stating the obvious. "Organize yourself into a troop." Duh! Only an idiot wouldn't know that's why we came out here in the field. No answer? Okay, who should be taking the lead? Boys or adults? I asked a question, I did not give direction or take charge. Not knowing my leanings, the boys didn't show their intents by answering. I played my card by saying I was boy-led in my intentions but if I had to adult-lead I could give it a try. Their silence forced someone to take some initiative. I could have waited for one of the boys to speak up, but we didn't have the time. I needed to find out something about the boys, first, their rank/experience in scouting, thus I sorted them out by rank. Then I needed to know the NYLT boys because this was a mandate from national. So I separated them out from the ranks. Without interviewing all the boys, I now had some idea of what I was dealing with. So who's the most experienced, best trained and hopefully the best candidate for taking the lead on this? At this point I haven't directed or communicated anything other than try and decipher what I needed to know to organize the troop. I went to the best candidate and basically asked him to make a choice as to whether or not he was up to the task to pull this together. He said yes, but had he said no, I'd have to dig deeper into my bag of tricks to identify the next best candidate.... I do see where any of this has to do with directing, coaching, mentoring anyone or giving them a "vision". I didn't do any of this for them, it was for me to make an educated guess as to the qualifications of this group I was working with. Once I got the initial indication that this experienced scout was willing to work at it, I turned over the choosing/selecting directive to him. Enable him? Jump start him? Maybe, or maybe just gave him permission to start processing the scouts into a troop. The steps I may have suggested were nothing more than reiterating the obvious. You need an assistant, you need a QM, you need a Scribe, you need PL's, etc. Was this directing? Yeah, like telling the driver to drive on the right side of the road. I didn't need him to explain to me why he picked a certain scout for his assistant, he didn't need to explain why he chose a certain scout for QM, but because the QM will buddy/bunk up with the Scribe, I suggested the QM make a choice/decision and take some ownership in the leadership selection process. The SPL then had the ability to follow the suggestion or come up with something on his own, and eventually when it came to PL's he was in that process of working it through on his own criteria and experience. He had permission to move, choose, and decide on how things were to happen and the adult didn't contradict or undermine his authority or decisions. I guess I don't see where any of this indicates any directing, guiding, coaching, or mentoring. Granted, I gave the scouts permission and a shove, and that's about it. I got lucky as to which scout was the best one to shove. OGE: "Personally I am begining to doubt the "Lone Wolf" status of our Good Buddy Stosh... being chosen to be a scoutmaster at the National Jamboree fairly reeks of the Good Old Boy Network, you don't get suchpositions (leastwise in my Council) unless you are "plugged in" (Not there is anything wrong with that)" It's ironic that one could conclude this. I am so out of touch with the GOBN in the council it isn't funny. Boy-led programming is not very popular in our Council and because I insist on it, I'm in the outs with the group. There is one other troop that works hard at boy-led and has adult leadership that is far older than my years with the council. They have gone to Jambos in years past and wanted the troops this year to have a chance at really being boy-led. So they came to me and asked me to put my name in. I figured they didn't have anymore clout than I did, but I did anyway. You have no idea how surprised I was to get the nod. I have the only full-uniformed troop in the Council. That doesn't set well with others and my ASM's and I have endured a few public tongue lashings over the years. My boys don't wish to go to Council camp and have chosen a camp that specializes in patrol-method, boy-led. That of course doesn't bode well for any brownie points in the council. One of my boys came to the meeting last night and announced that all the boys will be manning a food concession stand this Memorial Day weekend all Saturday afternoon. He said it was service project hours and the boys began the process for fighting over the available slots. Service Project? SM didn't know anything about it, hadn't given approval for a service project and was basically kept in the dark on the whole thing until the boy got up at opening flags and made the announcement. The proceeds for the concession stand are to go to the local Veteran's Freedom Flight program. So, do I get bent because I got shuffled off to Buffalo in this whole process? Heck no! My boys are seeking out service projects, signing up, making arrangements, and following through and if the adults aren't onboard, too bad! Love it! It's not that I'm a Lone Wolf, or I march to the beat of a different drummer, it's just that the voices in my head don't always tell me to do the things normal people do. Stosh

I see an awful lot of "I"s at the start of those sentences. What do call what you were doing when you were dividing up the ranks, hand-picking the SPL? >>> I didn't hand pick the SPL. I only asked the highest ranking scout if he wanted to do the job. If he said no, I'd go to the next ranking scout and continue until I got one to say yes. I would call that coaching. Vision? >>> They didn't need any "vision" they all knew that we needed to form up a troop for the Jambo. I was only reiterating the obvious. You wanted the highest rank for you SPL, you didn't want him elected. >>> Had the boy wished to have an election we'd have had an election. I didn't care how I got an SPL, as long as I got one. I thought it expedient and event obvious to everyone in the group to ask the Eagle scout to start with. You gave him direction on selection his ASPL. >>> I think it's rather traditional for the PL's to pick their assistants. That was kinda obvious too. You had him pick PLs instead of having them elected. >>> And he didn't pick them, he gathered up this forming PLC and they decided who the PL's were going to be so it was starting to have what you call my "vision" and they started doing their own thing. Your vision is top-down for forming the Troop. Your vision is boy-led, which they carried out after initial formation. The boys didn't come up with this on their own - where did they get the ideas? They were all "deer in the headlights." >>> It's call empowerment. None of the boys knew the system by which this troop was going to be run. A lot of adults say boy-led only to jerk back the chain when their adult "vision" isn't adhered to. I only empowered one boy the choice and from there on he could continue making choices and eventually he was no longer selecting my options but making choices of his own. I'm sure he was waiting for the chain yank and it never came and in no time at all the troop was formed. I may have randomly put the boys into troops, into ranks, into NYLT/non-NYLT, blond hair, brunett, or whatever kind of grouping I might have thought helpful, but when the SPL made his choices he didn't select by any group, only by skill sets he determined to be best for the troop. PL's were selected from both the Life and Star scouts, some with NYLT and some without. Again, if you weren't coaching or mentoring, what were you doing at the beginning of the process? >>> I gave one boy the opportunity to break the ice and allowed him to move in a direction of his own choosing. If he had said no, then the next boy would get an opportunity, etc. I create opportunities, the vision, direction, and control stays with the boys. Stosh

BrentAllen: Oh, contrare! My 3rd ASM (Young adult ASM, stood next to me in this whole process and quietly asked questions about what was going on. Finally after watching it all, he turned to me and said, "Now, what are we supposed to be doing?" I answered him, "As little as possible!" Until the SPL needs a hand at something or asks us to help at something, we just watch." "A SM is to provide vision, while coaching and mentoring. That is what you ended up doing. Without the vision, coaching and mentoring, a Troop will most likely fail." I, as SM, don't need to "provide vision, while coaching and mentoring", because my Eagle SPL is capable of doing it already. As a matter of fact, the truth to your statement is: "a Troop will most likely fail." Yeah, but when it doesn't fail because your boys have that vision as a result of the previous generation of scouts before them, it is a fantastic thing to watch. Stosh Don't hope for miracles, expect them.

Okay, ghayes, here's the $64,000 question --- did you count this as a campout or not!?! Stosh

I had an interesting experience this past weekend. I was selected to be on one of the two Jambo contingents from our council (2nd ASM). We got the boys together for a shakedown weekend and it was my job to organize the troop into leadership and patrols. I took my boys out into a big open field and said, "Okay, organize yourself into a troop. Obviously I was met by a whole herd of "deer in the headlights". I then said, do you want boy-led or adult-led? More "deer in the headlights." I said I didn't do well with adult-led, but I'd give it my best shot. I had all the Eagle rank in one group, all the Life in another, all the Star in a third, and the FC in the rest. I then had all the NYLT boys come to the front of each group. I had only one Eagle and fortunately he was NYLT. I went over to him and asked him if he wanted to be SPL for the troop. He said that position was supposed to be elected. I told him that ideally in a boy-led program that might work, but adult-led means the adult runs the show by fiat. He was the highest ranking, most experienced, best trained. I wanted the best and did he care to take the job. He said yes. Then he was told to pick an ASPL to bunk with him. Either he could pick his best buddy or pick someone that would really be up to the job. (He picked well.) Then he was to pick a QM. Again he selected by experience and training. The QM picked his "buddy" to be Scribe. Then I told him to pick his 4 PL's. He was unsure of the process at this point and then the four selected leaders began to work out who of the remaining boys would do best. They realized that if they picked their buddies from their home troops they would breaking up their troop amongst all the patrols so they began polling the other boys and finally came up with 4 names. Each PL picked his buddy/APL and then they began the process of picking their patrols. Each PL selected a boy from the remaining pool of boys. Each boy that was picked got to pick his buddy. Then the next PL selected a boy and that boy selected his buddy. With the help of the SPL it was decided that the remaining officers would be picked from the patrols. Chaplain's Aid was selected because he already had the POR on his shirt. Same for the OA Rep. When all was said and done the SPL came over to me and said, I wasn't very good at being an adult-led leader. I asked him what he meant by that and he said I only picked him and made him and the boys themselves pick everyone else. I told him I do what I do best and that is run a boy-led program. I then asked him if he was going to do what he did best. He said yes and then went off to organize his PLC. By the end of the day the boys were doing a really great job at getting everything ready to go. The QM got a QM from each patrol to work with him and the Scribe handed me at the end of the day a sheet of paper with all the patrols broken out, who was at what POR. None of this is what was asked for by any adult. At first I wondered how lucky I was to get the one Eagle that happened to end up in my troop. Then I realized, he was an Eagle and luck had nothing to do with it. The mix of the group was 4 troops all of which had high ranking scouts except one (mine) that only had 4 FC scouts. My Chaplain's Aid was selected as Troop Chaplain's Aide and another as patrol QM. I did not know anything about the other boys in the group. I'm thinking that with this little glimpse of boy-led, that just about any troop could be boy-led if given the chance. Stosh

I'm thinking the GOBN is more concerned about how one gets the awards rather than whether or not someone should/shouldn't wear them. If the selection process is corrupt it doesn't make much difference, the GOB's wear them and they may indeed do a lot to promote the program, but leave a little bit to be desired in the practice area. And I'm thinking the women in scouting issue goes hand-in-hand with this whole thing. Stosh

This news article is the only thing public I could publish on the forum. His Facebook issues and comments are not for publishing on a public forum. I have however, left him as friend, but blocked his posts. The "friend" in the article is my other Eagle Scout, his best friend. He is the one I consulted when I was alerted to the article in the first place. His "friend" is now an adult and is having difficulty being a friend and an adult scouter. He sought my advice as to whether or not this scout was being cyber-bullied by other scouts and seems torn and upset by the tack his friend is taking. This whole thing has turned into Peyton Place. Stosh

http://www.lacrossetribune.com/news/opinion/editorial/columnists/article_7f447b54-4e6f-11df-b6af-001cc4c002e0.html This is the article that came out a month or so after his EBOR. The Council is aware of the situation and has handled concerns from others directly. The boy was at the last troop meeting. I'm thinking he's just hanging around until his ECOH and then he's gone. He has not signed up for National Jamboree nor summer camp this summer. Stosh

If one has only one patrol there is no need for a TG, SPL or ASPL. With 12 boys - 2 patrols - 6 each If an event requires an SPL, just have the PL of the older boys fill in for the day. If the older boys need a POR, they can do the scribe, historian, bugler, DC, kind of thingies that don't directly affect the patrol structure. If at an event only three boys from each patrol show up, then DO NOT COMBINE. This will not encourage the three boys to put the pressure on their patrol members to show up and be active. Maintain patrol autonomy no matter how painful it is. If the adults don't, the boys won't either. Stosh

That is the situation I am faced with at the present time. Up until his passed his EBOR nothing was said. Once he got the nod for Eagle, he has since made the newspaper touting his orientation and there are those who are questioning the whole process and what to do with it. Stosh

Okay, if it's not allowed to be a homosexual scouter in the BSA program, what happens to the homosexual Eagle scout? Is he expected to leave the program as well? Stosh