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for another treat Use the red cabbage and mix with chunky applesauce for something a bit sweeter in taste. Better yet pork loin roast, carrots, onions with red cabbage and applesauce dumped on top in the Dutch Oven. Could even toss in the potatoes if you wanted. Wouldn't hurt. At least with the pork loin you know you are getting center cut pork chop meat and not lips and tails.

Every one of those recipes could be adapted to ring sausages, brats, ham, SPAM, polish sausage, kielbasa or Andouille ,... but Noooo, you have to go with the pig-lips tube steak as the entrée meat.... Are those dishes served over a bed of Raman noodles with Pop Tarts for dessert? Seriously, though. Aren't there cheaper cuts of meat other than highly processed hot dogs as the filler meat on those recopies? What are hot dogs selling for per pound these days. I don't have any idea.

Might I recommend stripping off all the oil and going 100% bee's wax. I don't know what a layer of oil under the wax would do. When I went with the wax it was because the oils had gone rancid or I bought rancid from an antique dealer. I took them back to square one and use wax exclusively with just those pans. I can always tell which are which when I start out. The oil is very shiny and the wax is opaque. If you decide not to go with the stripping first, I would be interested in knowing how it turns out. I do know that without stripping you will have an old layer of oil always under the wax and I don't know what difference that will make. Keep me posted. By the way, I bought a 1# block of bee's wax many years ago. I've used about half of it. Like I said. I use it only on the cast iron that I use less frequently.

I thought the same thing as you Faith, but I can't find anywhere to indicate that. But with the name Faith and a Den Mother avatar, I bet I can guess your gender in less than 3 guesses.

Seriously? My boys are always wanting a stir-fry! I'm thinking about getting patrol Wok's to go with the Dutch ovens.

I don't make rules for the boys, but under the disguise of Safety First, health and nourishment, we can make off hand comments. When the subject of hot dogs came up, the boys got a great suggestion from the SM to go and visit the Oscar Mayer plant and see how those things (and I use that term loosely) were made. I went there once and told the boys all about it. Been to the SPAM plant in Austin MN and Dubuque Packing Plant, too. We had a long discussion once on whether Pop Tarts were even food. We did discuss along with that how to make fruit rollups from scratch, how to make beef jerky and they had never had Mountain Man before. After a while the conversation of certain foods just doesn't come up any more and the boys are off looking for new things to try. In actuality, No, there are no forbidden foods in my troop unless the boys come up with it. I don't eat with the boys so it makes no never mind to me, but they do remain curious about what I am making because it's always better than what they are having.

Okay another survey..... Now that I'm retired, I have way too much free time. What foods are forbidden in your troops? We don't allow: Pop Tarts Hot dogs

We haven't had any little nips lately, have we???

Bee's wax has a couple of features that make it great for cast iron. 1) It NEVER goes rancid under any circumstances 2) It is totally waterproof so it can hang out in a wet garage for years with no problem. 3) It cooks and cleans up just as well as any oil. The only downside to wax is that it has to be applied while the cast iron is warm Heat it up a bit, melt a bit of wax, swish around and you're done. Leave it out in the rain if you wish, it'll be okay. Yes, like any cast iron, I reapply wax every time it is cleaned up. I don't try to burn anything on as a finish to my cast iron. Over time a veneer will build up, but I don't go out of my way to work at it, it happens just with use. Like oil, when one puts the cast iron in the self-cleaning oven to be cleaned, the wax will burn off just like the oil does.

Hmmm... again this varies and there are no hard and fast rules. Because ministers are public personalities, I know of some who are conceal carry. Most people don't know about it because the weapons are concealed, thus the point. One can carry in a bar, but can't drink alcohol there. One can carry within 500' of a school, if they happen to be standing on their own property. I have taken a weapon into a school with verbal permission from the school principle. I have carried weapons on school property as part of a school program by invite of the staff only. Now, courthouses, posted businesses, and airports are a whole different duck. One doesn't want to test the waters under those circumstances, even though I have transported weapons on flights in checked luggage. The point being is knowing what is and what is not for real when it comes to rules and regulations. If one knows exactly what they can and cannot do it is a lot easier than having vague verbiage and a thousand exceptions to every rule along the way.

Thanks blw2, but when it comes to Guide to SAFE Scouting that softening the verbiage is a dangerous game? Having been a Psych minor in college, I'm familiar with the personalities and it would be good to know these things before recruiting adults into the program. But when it comes to having adult leadership in a youth program, do you really want personalities that feel rules are meant to be bent when it comes to the welfare and safety of our children? I ask a lot of questions and press the logic/hypocrisy issues heavily on the forum, but no one runs a safer program than I do, 15 years as Crew Advisor for a reenacting Venturing crew and out of the hundreds of boys and girls that went through that program not so much as a scratch on any of them. I have even so much as marched my unit off the battlefield in the midst of a national event because I was hit in the chest by an illegal packing wad fired by a confederate solder. It was to dangerous for my taste and we were out of there. My weapons inspections were way beyond that of normal reenacting and any infraction of a safety rule and the crew member was off the field until he could prove his knowledge of safety procedures to me explicitly to me. Nothing in G2SS on any of that and it went far beyond the requirements of the reenacting world as well. Like I said, no so much as a scratch! I have taken Webelos cross-overs down whitewater canoeing on their second outing of the year. Spring camporee was their shakedown, whitewater canoeing their second event. I had to cancel but once because I didn't have my second experienced kayaker available. I had plenty of adults, plenty of scouters, but no one with a high level of watercraft safety experience. (I married her, so now I don't have that problem anymore) So I may bend a few rules under the Meyers Briggs measurements, but my #1 rule in the troop is Safety First, and my boys understand that without ever knowing what's in the G2SS book. I took my Webelos den on a campout to a deserted island with no running water and no latrines. We canoed out there and Saturday night we had a thunderstorm that really rocked the place. All six of the boys on that outing Eagled and 2 of them mentioned that that event alone was the highpoint of their scouting career at their ECOH.

Rule #1 in a canoe. If you want to see the bottom up close, just lean over and look down.

And there is nothing that says Civil War reenactor crews need follow that policy. Back in 1998 when Venturing first came out, the council put the screws to me about starting a Venturing Crew. I didn't want to so I said I wanted to do a crew that did shooting, carried guns and knives and ... and ... and .... Well the council called National and the answer came back as yes. I went through huge gyrations trying to come up with something like, No we don't wear official ear protection. We don't wear eye protection, we stand shoulder to shoulder when we fire at other people, .... you get the idea. And National approved it all....except artillery guns (which in fact are the safest part of the whole reenacting world with certifications and training that goes way, way, way beyond that of infantry or cavalry. So, yes, National allows for carrying of rifles, handguns, Bowie knives and swords while at a scout activity and no BSA certified rangemaster within 100 miles. that we know of. And if you think that for one moment pouring 65-120 grains of black powder down a gun barrel too hot to handle with the bare hands is all that safe, guess again. All I wanted to do was get out of starting a crew and National allowed whatever excuse I could come up with to be okay. And by the way, I have shown up at Cub Scout Blue Gold Banquets and Boy Scout Camporees carrying a handgun and 3' sword and no one said a word.

I don't think people in general take pride in their work as they once did. "Git 'er done!" seems to be the standard today. I don't think the BSA program is any different in their approach. Mystery Magic Adventure all seem to have disappeared into a world of skepticism and cynicism. Early scouting used to talk about knights in shinning armor, heroics, and adventure. Now we have Pop Tarts and KoolAid.for breakfast while discussing cyber-bullying amongst the scouts. I guess I am willing to settle for lame, over what we have.

Like sheath knives, certain camps prohibit them when National policy remains silent on the subject. Okay, what about legal conceal carry handguns? Now there's a can of worms that hasn't been touched yet. If you are wearing your red jac-shirt over your sheath knife, you need a conceal carry permit. How is a handgun any different? As ridiculous as that sounds, the increase in conceal carry is becoming more and more prevalent. How does National address that?

You are on the right track TAHAWK, but I still think BSA could do a better job of clarifying their language. There's enough people out there looking for wiggle room, short cuts and interpretations that some sort of effort needs to be made to clarify what it is they are trying to accomplish. With all the people out there making up stupid rules for just about everything under the sun, a little sanity would go a long way to help with what is and what isn't national policy. Just because one does not mention sheath knives and belt axes doesn't mean they're banned. So we have the minimum requirements of G2SS. Does that mean one can go the extra mile and be even safer? "All adult leaders must carry handguns and pepper spray in active bear areas." How you have added a greater degree of both safety and controversy. So the real issue here is what are the rules for real and why aren't they spelled out in clearly defined language?

And for all you moderators out there that would think for one moment this thread has been hijacked and off topic, that's not the case, I only have guidelines for what gets posted on this topic, not requirements.

Aye, and a tankard of rum for Remax !

I was very skeptical at first. Once I changed browsers, things look a lot better.

Nay, Matey, the favorite letter 'tis not Arrrrrrh.

Aye, Captain Mozartbrau, 'tis one of the best posts there is. R Which reminds me, which letter is the Pirates most favorite?

Me too. Now I can play with the grownups.

OR.... 1) All platforms must be less than 4'. If taller than that only those older than 18 years of age with fall protection to be on them. 2) Pioneering projects must be less than 6' in height and if greater than 4', only those 18 years of age with fall protection can be on them. This means you can be on a Philmont trail that walks along a 50' precipice is okay, but you need fall protection to cross a river on a 5' monkey bridge and they must be an adult. The more one reads this stuff the more clear it becomes..... Okay, let me get this straight... any boy that is on the top bunk is breaking the rules because they are too young and they don't have fall protection on? Do I have that correct? I sure am glad G2SS is crystal clear for all situations one comes across.

guideline noun [C] /ˈɡɑɪdˌlɑɪn/ us › a piece of information that suggests how something should be done: I would think a piece of information that requires how something be one would be closer to what they were intending.