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Greek Boy Scouts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scouts_of_Greece#/media/File:Scouts_of_Greece.svg Looks pretty close to me.

Hmmm, those are going to be tough. First of all the use of patches on neckers was far more prevalent back in the 1960's than it is today. With silk screening and advanced embroidery it could be more utilized but neckers have taken a hit over the years. I still have neckers from my summer camps, camporees, etc. Today we just get patches. My guess would be it has something to do with an activity (patch on a necker) but surprisingly no other identification to indicate activity or camp. That leaves the field narrowed, but still a lot of unanswered questions. The other two patches have fleur-du-lis that are not BSA so I would guess they may be foreign in origin. I don't recognize the language on the green one, My gut tells me the arrow patch is Canadian, but I don't know why.

Sunday night flag retirement ceremony had 2 state flags and the American Flag on flag poles and the American flag was lowered first, then the state flags. The issue was discussed with the boys and it was pointed out after researching that this was incorrect. The Camp Director informed all that this was the way some ROTC group had trained them at the beginning of the summer. It was pointed out to the Camp Director that according to the US Flag Code AND the BOY SCOUT HANDBOOK, that this was incorrect, On Wednesday's retirement, the process had not changed and it was done by staff in cowboy costumes rather than uniforms and this bothered the boys as well. The boys were all in full-uniform A complaint was issued once again to the Camp Director and the units were informed that "it was good that the boys are able to see alternative methods of flag ceremonies." When the flags on Friday were done incorrectly, my boys decided it was time to go home regardless of the big closing campfire program planned. The other troop asked my troop if we would help them break camp in that they were leaving immediately as well. From earlier discussions, it is an easy conclusion to assume that neither of these two units will be attending camp at this location in the future.

This was not a "provisional" situation. The boy did not notify his SM he was attending camp with a different troop for the week. The boy attended summer camp with his home unit as well.

If a boy is a member of a troop, but attends summer camp with another troop, does the SM from the second troop approve the MB's the scout takes or does his registered unit SM? Also how does one validate the boy returning from summer camp having completed TF and 2C with BOR's with the second troop?

My boys did not finish their week at summer camp this year and left early in protest to inappropriate closing flag ceremony. We weren't the only troop doing so. That was pretty exciting decision for first and second year scouts.

My Mrs. saw the signs for the S. Pittsburg outlet and suggested we stop and take a look. (Like I hadn't been there every trip I've ever taken through the area for the past 20 years.) I reluctantly said "Okay" and after dumping a wad and filling the car, she even suggested we stop again some time soon. I picked her for her looks and great personality and that she already owned her own kayak, not her financial acumen.

By the way, how many IH's are there out there that are openly homosexual? I'm sure BSA hasn't done an audit on that yet. Just adds more to the hypocrisy. Either they buckle under or take a cue from their Sccout Law on Bravery and take a stand. As far as I know Brave in the Law has not been watered down to A Scout is Wishy Washy as of yet.

I carry conceal carry permits for a number of states. Does that mean when I'm responsible for the protection of my scouts I have to leave my gun at home? I always leave my gun in the car when I attend church services, but now maybe after this week, I'll have to rethink that policy. BSA overrides local and state laws in their policy demands for the program. It's kinda like the sheath knife policies that crop up here and there. They just don't make any sense.

@ It is always interesting what is allowed and what is not allowed. Even with National's approval, the rules are routinely ignored. My districts all have asked me to come in and do a living history for a camporee at one time or another. It is Civil War era so yes, I do it correctly. The lantern is inside the tent and it's not battery operated to look like a candle either, it's a candle. The black powder gun is real and demonstrations and live shoots have occurred at these events. The .45 Navy Colt was too much of a gun to handle by the boys, but they loved the .58 Cal. Enfield. If one doesn't want living history, then don't ask me to show up to do so. The Venture Crew did not use eye protection and used wads of cotton for ear protection. They handled raw black powder and poured it down gun barrels too hot to handle. The boys in the back row would fire over the shoulder of the man standing right in front of them.They aimed and fired blank rounds (30' flames out the barrel) at other people. No one was a certified range master and had they been they would have been appalled. They reenacted combat tactics for the public. Some of the older boys tried out the cigars and pipes common to the era. The three pan wash station was never used. Remarkably in the reenactment world the safest groups were the artillery units. They had to be specially trained and certified every year by a reenacting oversight group in order to take the field. The cavalry and infantry all they had to do was show up. Venturing is open to cavalry and infantry, but BSA disallows participation in artillery. REALLY REALLY bad research on the part of BSA on that issue. With a track record like that how does anyone really take seriously the policies of the BSA? If we're going to have a black powder at your party, can I bring my double-barreled 10 gauge?

We all discriminate in one way or the other so all this talk about being non-discriminatory is basically political BS. We all have our own little prejudices that we justify away so yes we are discriminatory, businesses are, churches are, organizations of all sorts are, the government is, and BSA has just not buckled under to the PR du jour. We used to be a country of laws, but now that the Constitution has been neutered, it's anything goes.

PARTY! Estes Park, I'll bring the good stuff.

I've had mine for over 20 years now and it's as black as a cast iron DO and works just like the first time I used it. I use briquettes most of the time, but I've never needed an oven that is set at 1200 degrees to do blueberry muffins in. By the way, when you pour liquids in a cracked DO, they leave a puddle too.

I've seen people crack a cast iron DO. Your point being?

I have a couple of pieces that are not Griswold, Wagner, or Lodge. Yes I pay a bit more for it, but even the stuff I bought at the antique store and refurbished look brand new after daily usage. My aluminum oven is GSI and is quite pricey, but only 1/3rd the weight of cast iron. It has its drawbacks, but with a bit of adjustment, the canoe trips still have an excellent menu. I've seen the Texsport stuff but noticed the lids didn't fit prior to buying and that kinda turned me off to items that don't bother to put their name on the. Yep, they're half the price and twice the grief. Not something I want the boys learning on.

I wonder just how boy-led this unit was. Using the boys to do something like this deserves the full attention of national and their reject stamp for the adults. From my point of view, most of the boys I come across don't care about this issue one way or the other. I'm thinking some adults put them up to it.

Oh, I'm not a twit so I wouldn't know about those things.

The templates I have created for the boys to organize their meals, activities, advancement, reports, requisitions, rosters, etc. were all done on Excel. Does that count?

Yeah, but they would have had to have been friended and Alexander because he was Great wouldn't have done that.

If you want to communicate with me and make sure I hear you need to either talk out loud in my presence or call on the phone and make sure I answer and actually talk to you. The answering machine isn't me.... If you can't do that much for communicating with me, then you take your chances I won't get the message. There is a feature on cell phones, smart phones and flip phones and land-line phones that is common to all... Yep you guessed it they all have phones! If you really, really want to talk with someone use the phone part.

Gotta read the whole thing and you realize that one can't just cherry pick items out of the middle and toss them together. You asked about GWB and the NWO, I gave examples from the early Greeks to the modern era of highly adaptable communication to show that people have been trying out this New World Order "conspiracy" for thousands of years and for the most part, people really don't want anything to do with it. So to answer your question with your presumptions and assumptions, Yes, I believe Alexander the Great could have conquered the whole world had he had a Twitter account.

When certain individuals or groups think they have all the answers they tend to impose them on others the NWO movement whether it be conspiracy or not, seems to promote that type of agenda. Like any extremist movement, once it gets out of hand people who won't bend to one's will must be eliminated. There is nothing new about this except with the technology of today, the dynamics of such influence can take on a global scope. Through world communications, the quiet boy down the street in small town America can become the next jihadist for the Islamic political party "of the world". Whereas Alexander the Great, Julius Caesar, Constantine, Attila the Hun, Hitler and others tried world dominance one conquered country at a time, today it's done one Twitter at a time.

@@Hedgehog "So let me understand, if these are bad values then the idea must be to promote the opposite: dependence, self censorship, lack of autonomy, having others tell you what to think and failure? That sounds like slavery to me." You've correctly identified the issue here and it has nothing to do with racism. What this article is promoting is not racism, but slavery. There is a difference in the two that most people ignore. One can have slaves of any race, gender, nationality, etc. When I said, "I do believe that white males were the ones that wanted to come to the New World, the dynamics of the American Dream seems to favor those who seek it. Not everyone that came to the New World wanted to come. Their attitude about it is thus different. What someone wants out of life does not make them racist.", I was pointing out the fact that collectively certain people came for a better life and there were others that came for unfortunate reasons. Yes they WERE victims in the process, but now that the process has changed, these people have the opportunity to NOT be a victim anymore. People from Europe came looking for a better life, they came from the Orient, Easter Europe, South and Central America, all looking for a piece of the American Dream. There are those who were once enslaved (Negro) and there were those who were "enslaved" for other reasons (Irish, Chinese, Hispanic, etc.) that, however, they did overcome that and got their piece of the Dream. So, how does one justify this age old enslavement process in a modern culture? You do things like this article state. You enslave them and then spin the respectability of that process. Yes, the Southern culture of pre-1865 had LEGAL slavery. A war was fought to correct that. In the late 1800's early 1900's the enslavement revolved around the railroads (Chinese) and industrialization (Irish) and these people's entrapment to out of control business was corrected by the union movement. So who's the victim today? All those people who are enslaved to the government, whose only success in life is going to be a welfare check. They will never be able to rise above others and will remain trapped in their victimized position and this is okay because the government says so. This is the lesson being taught our children. This is the type of article which one will see more and more of in the coming years in order to maintain the status quo of enslaved people. Prime Minister Thatcher correctly summarized this whole process for her country when she stated the goal is not to bring down the successful of the nation, but to raise up the unsuccessful instead. In our culture that doesn't seem to be an option. How do you do that? "...teaching them the most important thing that my parents (children of immigrants who never went to college) taught me: you can do anything you set your mind to." THAT was and STILL IS the basis for the American Dream. Without that Dream for all people, one lives without hope for all people.

I do believe that white males were the ones that wanted to come to the New World, the dynamics of the American Dream seems to favor those who seek it. Not everyone that came to the New World wanted to come. Their attitude about it is thus different. What someone wants out of life does not make them racist. If someone is jealous of someone else's success in life, that does not make the successful person a racist, it just makes them successful. My two daughters have chosen to stay home and home-school their children because of these kinds of things going on in the public schools. Both girls are honor students (one valedictorian of her class of 400 students) and their mother is a retired public school teacher. One thing about intelligent people, they have a rather high sensitivity to BS when they see it.

When I went in to have my resume evaluated, it was really surprising what they wanted taken off. Education, yes, years graduated, no. Employment, last 10 years only. Management/Supervisory experience? 15 years of ministry and running a church doesn't count, more than 10 years ago. Church organizer/founder, Ambulance Service organizer/founder. Computer experience? 15 years of custom programming, doesn't count, more than 10 years ago. 10 years as Executive Administrative Assistant, Associate (Computer Science), Bachelors (Business Administration) and Masters (Professional Ministry) degrees and I qualify on my Resume as a Secretary. A resume is a political statement meant to spin in slogan format why you should get the job. If you wish to put down Eagle and Silver Beaver, go for it. Top half of page 1 is all you get on your resume, make it count.....