Stosh

Sorry, but when trust is broken to the extent demonstrated by this woman, I would no longer want her to be anywhere near any of the boys in the troop. It is my responsibility to keep the boys safe and this woman has demonstrated she cannot control herself around the boys in the troop. I wouldn't tolerate the first time she did it, and I would do everything in my power to make sure she never had an opportunity to do it again. Take it out on some soccer or baseball coach's watch, just don't do it on mine.

With everything checked off, the boy has earned FC and the BOR couldn't do anything about it anyway. Everything was signed off. End of discussion. If the question posed was a recheck of the boy's advancement it is out of line whether the boy lied, misled or whatever. He demonstrated the act of leadership by helping the boy. The motivation for that leadership was not part of the question asked by the Board so he did not need to provide further information. Demonstrating leadership is never a requirement for any of the ranks. Holding a position of responsibility is, but that can be done whether leadership is demonstrated/needed or not. I do believe the teaching moment for this boy would be if the BOR asks you any questions about leadership all you need say is I did absolutely no leadership for the younger boys. It's honest and basically the BOR has no right to deny him rank advancement for answering as such. I believe the only rank requirement expecting leadership is the project for Eagle. The what is defined as "leadership" may be nothing more than well organized management. Leadership expects people to follow, not just take orders from the SM to tells the boys they have to work on Johnny's Eagle project, or else....At that point even leadership is no longer necessary for the Eagle rank.

Sorry, but that process has already been done. The Mormons had to give up their belief and practice of polygamy before they would be considered for statehood. Of course that was after they had been persecuted all the way across the country first. So, no, it won't be that hard to do.

I'm with @@Rick_in_CA on this issue. I took a nap every afternoon at summer camp and my ASM got an entire book read. The rest of the time the 4 leaders (two troops together) played dominoes. Except for the problem with the staff and camp director, we had a nice quiet week.

And then there's those that don't want their children in a hypocritical organization as well. One can't have it both ways. Sitting on the fence only keeps one from committing one way or the other. However, to allow means they are no longer on the fence, but will offer token gestures to try and keep those others in the game.

The motivation behind helping another scout is not part of the requirement. I don't recall any of the requirements saying anything like, Demonstrate because you want to..... or some such thing. .I'm thinking the SM has already signed off on Scout Spirit so he was satisfied with the boy's motivational progress and now the BOR is questioning not only the scout's honesty, but the SM as well.

Mark my words, pedophilia is a sexual orientation. This can of worms is far from over.

It's unfortunate that this political football ended up in BSA's lap because the more they play with it the worse it gets. Local option? ONLY if the CO is a religious organization, otherwise there is no local option. Double standard hypocrisy. So much for trying to please everyone, it always ends up pleasing no one. We'll just have to see how militant the issue becomes because it has the potential to really raise havoc on the program.

Any breech in the safety and welfare of anyone in my charge is met with immediate, no discussion, expulsion from the troop. Knowing this upfront means no surprises down the road. It may also be the reason I have never had to deal with any issues like this in my troops.

I kinda checked them out a bit, they seem to be purely Christian in their approach, not leaving any room for other faiths regardless of the homosexual stance.

I don't think for one minute that everyone on the forum is not sympathetic to the victim. Yes, the last thing this kid needs is some stupid adult taking him to the cleaners. I think the only argument among the forum members is which tree to hang the woman out to dry on and out unfortunate it might be for the dad and son who were not part of the problem but have become so. People like this woman do not realize that in the midst of their petty stupidity, they think they are accomplishing great things when in fact they are destroying some every important dynamics of her husband and son's life. There are three victims in this situation and the woman isn't one of them.

I used to wear them, but they are uncomfortable and over the years I have lost track of how many I need, 4 cub 4 boy 30 adult I guess that wouldn't be too bad but next year I'd need the 30 year star and a 1 star so I'm back to 4 service stars. That along with all the Cub/Boy/Venturing devices all poking at me, It is just easier to forget about them. Oh, yeah, the two backs for the name tag, another pain in the butt (chest)

Hey, being two steps ahead of kids at this age is a really good thing. Don't knock it.

I never said it was a SM problem. I just don't think the CC and COR have any authority to deal with this non-registered mother without going after the ASM dad and Scout son. I really don't see any justice in dismissing the dad and son because the mother's a jerk. I really don't think there's much the anyone can do about it without collateral damage to the dad and son. The only thing I can think of is the parents of the scout harangued getting a restraining order for her to keep away from their son. That way it keeps BSA out of the picture but has no effect on ASM dad or scout son.

Ooooh, the thot plickens, now we have reports she was stalking him to harangue him. If I was SM, I'd be helping dad find a new troop for his wife's vendettas. Scouting has no place for such people.

That would be all fine and good IF THE WOMAN WAS A REGISTERED SCOUTER, which she is not. What authority do the CC and COR have over a non-registered parent? The best they can do is forbid her to attend activities concerning her son. Right, that's not gonna wash. As far as this situation is concerned no one can really do anything about what happened. The best they can do is punish the dad and scout by not allowing them in the program forcing them to go elsewhere, but then they didn't do anything wrong. When the smoke settles, NOTHING WILL BE DONE because nothing can be done.

A couple of days ago the Mrs. and I were having date night and stopped for dinner. When asked what I wanted to drink, I asked what they had. Pepsi products, coffee, tea, and different flavors of lemonade. I said I wanted the lemon flavored lemonade. She paused for a moment to stop and think whether they had that flavor or not then finally answered, "Oh, yes, the original lemonade." The scary part of it was stopping to think that by the time I get to the nursing home, it will be these people running it. God help us all!

As everyone knows my only three rules for the boys are 1) Safety first, 2) Look and act like a scout, and 3) Have fun. I don't nag, I just tell them Rule #1, put your sun screen on or we'll be having a discussion on Rule #3 later on this afternoon.

I have held seminars for the public that include wood tools, fire building, and the basics of cast iron cooking on open campfires. They tend to run about 3 hours and thus far NO ONE has complained about my teaching skills and as a matter of fact tend to sign up for other woodcraft skills seminars I teach. I've never had to take a BSA course to prepare me for these seminars. Of course I have to PAY to get BSA training and then I get to teach for free as a volunteer. With the wood craft seminars I don't need to pay for training and I get paid for doing the seminar. BSA seems to have the system a bit eschew.

Hardly a day goes buy that I would love to wring the neck of some scout who's pushing some envelop or someone's buttons on purpose. It's part of the job to recognize this. And yet how many times have I not told everyone that there should be 300' between the scouts and the adults. This is because by the time the adult walks over to the patrol area, they have had time to cool off and think of a proper way of handling the situation other than wringing necks. It is also important to note that if one scout is hassling another scout, where's the PL and possibly the SPL in this unit? If this was a boy-led, patrol-method 300' troop, none of this would have ever happened. Instead an adult gets banished from the troop because two boys were fighting over a chair.

We recruit only from the county community service people who are court ordered to spend so many hours with the boys......

Does one need all the details of an adult bullying a scout into his tent? It happened, 'nuff said. So what if the boy deserved it for his actions at camp, being an adult means staying at an adult level to deal with the issue and only if it's your responsibility to do so.

Sorry, but there is no excuse for this kind of behavior. It looks like this troop lost a good scout, a passable ASM and a raunchy mouthed mom. Chances are mom will come to her senses, the dad and son will continue with the troop and mom will simply stay home. I doubt whether that would happen, but it's a possibility. Mom would need some self control and maturity to pull that off and from the sounds of it, it ain't in the cards.

Never had a need for such a thing.

It's a bit old-school, but they have digital cameras that take good pictures you can upload when you get back home. I have one because I want to go places where the phones don't reach.