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Blw2, the boy is young and smart. As long as the adults are willing to do all the work, why not let them. They are taking all the leadership opportunities away from the boys so let them. Your son needs to learn what an assistant anything does. My ASM's are assisting me and are not sitting around on their hands waiting for me to not show up and then realize how much they don't know what is going on. If any assistant isn't putting in 100% working to make me look good then it's time to find someone who will. They are a team not 2 individuals. If your boy isn't hounding the PL with, "What can I do to help?" Then he will never figure out how leadership works. If he quit worrying about himself, he could be running the patrol. Next election time who is going to be elected? The PL who did nothing or the APL who did nothing? It's time to quit worrying about oneself and start worrying about boys in the patrol.

Not according to Pope John XXIII. And this is why it is important to select the CA carefully.

The British army figured it out long before BP used it for scouting. A scouting patrol was 6 to 8 men who would leave the army and independently scout out the enemy. What they needed to know was what scouting used to be. The group needed to be small enough to go undetected but large enough to be effective.

This was 40 years ago and it was not some "liberal professor", it was a Catholic theologian at a Catholic seminary who was preparing young men for the priesthood. Some probably weren't paying attention that day.

The patrols decide their own calendars and then the PL's design the troop calendar from that information.

My boys are not band box boys, every stain is gotten on a campout, service project, or fund raiser. Some are because they were just having too much fun.

I don't think the questions are all that important. The answers are designed to woo one in. I would be more interested in who is sitting behind the tables. SM? SPL? PL's? I would put the adult tables at the far end of the line.

Christians are separated more by tradition, arrogance, and bigotry than theology. That is what I was taught by a Catholic professor at seminary. Your mileage may vary.

GBB training has slots for 8 boys. Anything beyond that seems to be dead weight for the leaders to handle.

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Welcome to the forum from north central USA. Wisconsin is the area with a large Polish and German population because the early settlers said it reminded of back home in Europe.

We had three hot days at camp this week. The clouds opened up this morning. My first year camper program where all my boys are are body surfing in the mud...in their full uniforms. It's a good thing I won't have to listen to irate parents until we get home Saturday noon. I sometimes wish I was eleven again, it sure looks like fun. Ian, this was not part of the camp program, and I don't think it would be at any other camp either.

I agree, I see a lot of "boy led" programs that have no clue what the patrol method is all about. It's really hard to watch all that leadership from the boys going to waste. I am constantly telling my boys to not let the adults steal their leadership opportunities.

This year's adult meeting consisted of getting training and fund raising for whatever the boys decide. Should be a good year with only one patrol of new boys. Adults have no input in the calendar of events. Occasionally they are reminded certain activities are not appropriate. They do pretty good on their own.

This and Kudu's inquiry.net are my go to favorites.

My boys became Boy Scouts the first of June. The first meeting was an intro to boy led patrol method, three rules of the troop and summer camp coming up in 2 months. They decided what camp they wanted to go, do the first year program and look at the MB'S to see which 2 they would be interested in. The second meeting they selected their patrol officers. So, yes, they were aware of advancement and MB'S from day one.

Being a new troop with untrained adult MC'S we have been doing COH'S at camporees so our adults can observe and learn from experienced scouters. They tend to be at the campfire a natural place to be.

When one plans to have boys miss events it will happen. If my buddies need for me to be there attendance will improve. I'm more apt to skip if I am not really needed. If only 2 out of 8 show up, it is time to recruit either the missing members or find new ones.

When I use the word love in English and Greeks have 3 works that translates love in English. I have been told the Chinese have 17 words for the English love. That means our language tends to be quite imprecise. No, misunderstanding is not the fault of the listener. Choose words better if one wishes to be understood.

Welcome Rogue, I am at summer camp right now with 7 brand new scouts. 3 hours this morning in the First Year Camper program lunch a bit of free time and 2 MB'S of their choice. Technically speaking, they should be able to get a MB or two before the rank of Scout.

I would have put that money into reducing the cost of the BSA uniform for the boys so I would have a properly uniformed troop.

Yes, in the real world that is true, but we are not comparing scout elections to real ones. It's more along the line of simply going to a different program that doesn't waste my time. Yes,I don't leave the USA because of who gets elected, but if the BSA program is not beneficial, I can simply leave. Boys do it all the time. We don't need to encourage that by telling them to put up with it for the next 6 months.

We all put our money where our priorities are.

If no one is worried about the boys wearing non-uniforms as uniforms, why would anyone worry about the campaign hat was a knock off for $30 or BSA official at $100?

I may hear every word said, but listening takes understanding. The choice of words an inflection dictates understanding. Inflection is nonexistent in the written word. But the selection of words does alter meanings. This is how poetry works. Prose is altogether different. On the Internet we hear nothing we just see words. Pick them carefully one is not interested in listening as much as understanding.